This is far from a remodel.

[Malibu]

That's just.....I'm sorry... But no.

Honestly, I'm not sure why you care what Snead calls it. Remodel, rebuild, reload.... Who gives a flip. The Rams are a year removed from hoisting the Lombardi. Snead deserves a lot of the credit for that.

Do I agree with everything he does? Oh hell no...in fact you named a lot of questionable moves by him and the FO. I just think we owe him the benefit of the doubt here. Let's see how it all plays out in 2023/2024.

I care because when someone calls this a remodel I expect us to be very competitive. Losing 3 of the 4 top defensive players is NOT a remodel. Asking Robinson to seek a trade partner. We haven't even addressed Gaines, Gay or AShawn.

I called Snead directly a liar and for good reason if he said to the fan base due to all our top heavy deals we need to shed assets no one would be happy but at least he was being straight with us. My interpretation of these moves is that we will not be winning many games next year I hope I am wrong but with Ashawn, Gaines, Wagner and Floyd possibly gone there goes out run D which was top 5 last year. With Ramsey gone we literally have only Durant and that's it and the jury is still out on DeCobie. Kendricks was horrible. Rest worse than Kendricks. This defense will be a biweekly bitch session on how bad they are. Most hated the defense last year you just wait with no OLBs with Floyd gone this feels like a trainwreck not a remodel.

Lastly I am the biggest supporter of Snead I've called him one of the 2 best GMs even saying I forgive him for that awful Goff resigning when there was no need to after 3 years. But after the Ramsey trade when everyone said just restructure Kupp and with Wagner money we will be under the cap but no he just had to make that trade. To keep Ramsey one more year he could have helped mentor the younger guys kept some semblance of continuity on the backend both Hill and Long are FAs so why so desperate to make this deal the answer was he truly was rebuilding the team and lied to everyone in the process.

 

[Gandalf]

Potentially, they could sign FAs or make trades and back load them into the space created for 2024 and beyond. Gotta see how it plays out. It's only the first quarter of the new season. Could be a lot of surprises coming our way.

 

[Malibu]

Potentially, they could sign FAs or make trades and back load them into the space created for 2024 and beyond. Gotta see how it plays out. It's only the first quarter of the new season. Could be a lot of surprises coming our way.

I hear you but there were a plethora of great names available in FA today did you hear a whisper of any Rams deals I didn't hear a peep. Yet SF got better adding Hargrave and Darnold.

 

[AvengerRam]

I just learned that Les Snead never actually fucked a draft pick.

That god damned liar!

 

[PARAM]

My interpretation of these moves is that we will not be winning many games next year I hope I am wrong but with Ashawn, Gaines, Wagner and Floyd possibly gone there goes out run D which was top 5 last year.

Well first off, your numbers are way off. Top 5 run D? We had the #13 run D last year (115 ypg) and that was a drop from 2021. We allowed 4.3 ypc which was also worse. Wagner was supposed to help our run D but that didn't happen.

3 of our top 4 defenders are gone but Gaines and A'Shawn are still available. And we still have E Jones. My guess is they draft an Edge and an impact ILB.

 

[Gandalf]

I hear you but there were a plethora of great names available in FA today did you hear a whisper of any Rams deals I didn't hear a peep. Yet SF got better adding Hargrave and Darnold.

There is still a long way to go. More people could get cut or available through trades.
Personally I hope they don't go that route, but I'm just blowing stuff out my butt ho. Still a lot of possibilities.

 

[oldnotdead]

Geeez dudes even my GF knows it's to early to draw conclusions about what is happening. Wait for free agency runs it's course and then look at the draft which will tell you where their priorities lie.

They have Donald, Stafford and Kupp to build around. Maybe they liked what they saw in Hardy to play JACK, and Hoecht began to settle in at DE but he's looking like the successor to Donald, especially if they can't re-sign Gaines which would be a huge loss. Staley is likely to pull out all the stops to get him. They also have Keir Thomas at OLB, and Murchison to replace Copeland's rotational role. Hoecht showed he can play inside or outside. Jones showed he's the real deal and Howard also has flashed at ILB.

If Morris returns to his favored Tampa Two he has Durant and Rochell outside, and a 3rd safety to play the role of the MIKE dropping into the middle zone. That safety would be a SS like Fuller. They don't need FS speed if they are in cover two. Lake and Yeast have enough speed to play that role. I see Morris playing a Tampa Two with 3 safeties, 4 DL and 2 LBs as his base scheme. He's already restructuring the secondary and the key will be if they allow Scott to leave. That is a huge mistake, but it fits Morris' personality.

I think they will bring in two edges, maybe one via FA but primarily one via the draft. If Morris plans on a Tampa Two defense, he already has the players to play it since Ramsey and perhaps Scott are gone. The only real priority defensive player is probably Gaines. They will need Gaines once AD retires next year. IMO losing Gaines would be a bigger loss than Ramsey. Gaines will allow them to move AD to 5T and nail down that right side. Play Hoecht as their JACK on the left. Once Hoecht understands how to play outside he could be pretty good. He's 310 lbs but he has 4.6 speed.

The bottom line is I hope that Aubrey's title is more than symbolic. If he can install an aggressive style of defensive play in the secondary it would make a huge difference. Morris' schemes left little to the imagination. There was no attempt to disguise or confuse the QB. That means the secondary must be aggressive in their zones. Too much standing around waiting. Staley proved zone schemes can work if they are played aggressively. Morris plays it like an old man afraid to get hurt. Staley played it to inflict pain. The difference is philosophical but it makes all the dfference in the world. Don't forget the Legion of Doom at it's best was a hybrid one & two technique up front and man/zone in the secondary.

All I'm saying is that there is a core of good players, Snead is unloading chaff but he still has a core of good players on both sides of the ball. There is no way this is a rebuild, he hasn't burned it to the ground to build up from scratch. That is a rebuild.

 

[So Ram]

Geeez dudes even my GF knows it's to early to draw conclusions about what is happening. Wait for free agency runs it's course and then look at the draft which will tell you where their priorities lie.

They have Donald, Stafford and Kupp to build around. Maybe they liked what they saw in Hardy to play JACK, and Hoecht began to settle in at DE but he's looking like the successor to Donald, especially if they can't re-sign Gaines which would be a huge loss. Staley is likely to pull out all the stops to get him. They also have Keir Thomas at OLB, and Murchison to replace Copeland's rotational role. Hoecht showed he can play inside or outside. Jones showed he's the real deal and Howard also has flashed at ILB.

If Morris returns to his favored Tampa Two he has Durant and Rochell outside, and a 3rd safety to play the role of the MIKE dropping into the middle zone. That safety would be a SS like Fuller. They don't need FS speed if they are in cover two. Lake and Yeast have enough speed to play that role. I see Morris playing a Tampa Two with 3 safeties, 4 DL and 2 LBs as his base scheme. He's already restructuring the secondary and the key will be if they allow Scott to leave. That is a huge mistake, but it fits Morris' personality.

I think they will bring in two edges, maybe one via FA but primarily one via the draft. If Morris plans on a Tampa Two defense, he already has the players to play it since Ramsey and perhaps Scott are gone. The only real priority defensive player is probably Gaines. They will need Gaines once AD retires next year. IMO losing Gaines would be a bigger loss than Ramsey. Gaines will allow them to move AD to 5T and nail down that right side. Play Hoecht as their JACK on the left. Once Hoecht understands how to play outside he could be pretty good. He's 310 lbs but he has 4.6 speed.

The bottom line is I hope that Aubrey's title is more than symbolic. If he can install an aggressive style of defensive play in the secondary it would make a huge difference. Morris' schemes left little to the imagination. There was no attempt to disguise or confuse the QB. That means the secondary must be aggressive in their zones. Too much standing around waiting. Staley proved zone schemes can work if they are played aggressively. Morris plays it like an old man afraid to get hurt. Staley played it to inflict pain. The difference is philosophical but it makes all the dfference in the world. Don't forget the Legion of Doom at it's best was a hybrid one & two technique up front and man/zone in the secondary.

All I'm saying is that there is a core of good players, Snead is unloading chaff but he still has a core of good players on both sides of the ball. There is no way this is a rebuild, he hasn't burned it to the ground to build up from scratch. That is a rebuild.

EARNEST BROWN as of NOW basically moved into a starting position.Foresure a rotation guy.
He is looking fast & stronger after 2 seasons with The Rams.

 

[oldnotdead]

Ernest Brown is a role player. You won't see him making the plays that Gaines made. Gaines is in reality a 3T DT and good on all downs. Brown is an early down NT who brings little to the table on passing downs. Brown replaces A'Shawn Robinson's role not Gaines.

 

[XXXIVwin]

I care because when someone calls this a remodel I expect us to be very competitive. Losing 3 of the 4 top defensive players is NOT a remodel. Asking Robinson to seek a trade partner. We haven't even addressed Gaines, Gay or AShawn.

I called Snead directly a liar and for good reason if he said to the fan base due to all our top heavy deals we need to shed assets no one would be happy but at least he was being straight with us. My interpretation of these moves is that we will not be winning many games next year I hope I am wrong but with Ashawn, Gaines, Wagner and Floyd possibly gone there goes out run D which was top 5 last year. With Ramsey gone we literally have only Durant and that's it and the jury is still out on DeCobie. Kendricks was horrible. Rest worse than Kendricks. This defense will be a biweekly bitch session on how bad they are. Most hated the defense last year you just wait with no OLBs with Floyd gone this feels like a trainwreck not a remodel.

Lastly I am the biggest supporter of Snead I've called him one of the 2 best GMs even saying I forgive him for that awful Goff resigning when there was no need to after 3 years. But after the Ramsey trade when everyone said just restructure Kupp and with Wagner money we will be under the cap but no he just had to make that trade. To keep Ramsey one more year he could have helped mentor the younger guys kept some semblance of continuity on the backend both Hill and Long are FAs so why so desperate to make this deal the answer was he truly was rebuilding the team and lied to everyone in the process.

I think a lot of people would disagree with your insistence that the Rams are doing a full "rebuild". To me, a "rebuild" implies you are willing to decimate a team in order to restart from scratch. A good example would be the Jaguars, who went 6-10 in 2019 and then tanked all the way down to 1-15 in 2020, and got the #1overall pick fir Trevor Lawrence. Even in Trevor's first year in 2021 they still sucked at 3-14. But finally, after a multi-year rebuild, the Jags improved to 9-8 in 2022. THAT is a full rebuild.

By contrast, the Rams are keeping bedrock players in their franchise QB in MS, the GOAT of DT's in AD, and the freakishly good CK, not to mention a coaching prodigy in McVay.

Everything I read tells me the Rams are cutting costs in 2023 for an anticipated championship run in 2024.

So yeah, if the Rams take only one year to get their cap in order, many of us have no problem at all with Snead calling it a "remodel."

 

[snackdaddy]

Putting the homer hat on, how can we be competitive in a cap strapped year where several good players are not returning? You shore up the line and make it about offense. We already saw how hard it is to win when you score consistently in the teens. The offensive line was the main culprit. Having a bad run game was also part of the problem. So maybe the defense won't be so good. But they have a better chance to win more games if the offense gets back to pre 2022 level. Akers was starting to look like his rookie form. Make him the bell cow guy and maybe the run game gets the passing game going.

Now take the homer hat off. The line we had was not that good even before the injuries. We don't know if we will have Allen Robinson. And if we do have him we don't know if they will repeat the problems they had getting him the ball last year. The defense is expected to be worse. Maybe a lot worse. Stafford could be one hit away from early retirement. After Kupp and Jefferson there is a big drop. If either of them go down who will step up? Maybe no one.

All in all I think we have more questions than answers. And that usually does not bode well. My expectations for 2023 will be reduced. I do expect another losing season. Like the days before McVay came along, I just want to see something in them that gives me hope for the next season and beyond.

 

[Gandalf]

It's basically a remodel. We are replacing all of our elegant furnishings and replacing it with the lawn furniture from the back yard.

 

[Loyal]

I've been too busy with real life stuff to look much into the draft this year tbh.

GET YOUR PRIORITES STRAIGHT!

 

[kurtfaulk]

Seriously, who pays attention to anything Snead says in an interview? He says nothing. Just a lot of words.

 

[Psycho_X]

Seriously, who pays attention to anything Snead says in an interview? He says nothing. Just a lot of words.

Yeah, my thought exactly. Has anyone listened to McVay or Snead in press conferences the last five years? They've always been pretty vague or noncommittal to what their actual plans are and it always seems to rile the same people up lol. They are never going to come out and say what their exact plans are so people should quit expecting it. Just ride the roller coaster and enjoy it when they hit the hard G's.

 

[PARAM]

Putting the homer hat on, how can we be competitive in a cap strapped year where several good players are not returning? You shore up the line and make it about offense. We already saw how hard it is to win when you score consistently in the teens. The offensive line was the main culprit. Having a bad run game was also part of the problem. So maybe the defense won't be so good. But they have a better chance to win more games if the offense gets back to pre 2022 level. Akers was starting to look like his rookie form. Make him the bell cow guy and maybe the run game gets the passing game going.

Now take the homer hat off. The line we had was not that good even before the injuries. We don't know if we will have Allen Robinson. And if we do have him we don't know if they will repeat the problems they had getting him the ball last year. The defense is expected to be worse. Maybe a lot worse. Stafford could be one hit away from early retirement. After Kupp and Jefferson there is a big drop. If either of them go down who will step up? Maybe no one.

All in all I think we have more questions than answers. And that usually does not bode well. My expectations for 2023 will be reduced. I do expect another losing season. Like the days before McVay came along, I just want to see something in them that gives me hope for the next season and beyond.

What? In preseason? Before the injuries we had 1 game to judge them. Prior to the third snap of the game in week 2, our starting center was out, our RG was at C, our #2 RG was out for the season and we had our #3 RG in the lineup. Then our LG went down in week 3. By the third quarter of week 3, the only thing we could realistically judge about the OL was it's depth. And after 3 weeks we were 2-1!!

Well homer hat or not, that won't happen until the games start in September.

 

[Malibu]

I think a lot of people would disagree with your insistence that the Rams are doing a full "rebuild". To me, a "rebuild" implies you are willing to decimate a team in order to restart from scratch. A good example would be the Jaguars, who went 6-10 in 2019 and then tanked all the way down to 1-15 in 2020, and got the #1overall pick fir Trevor Lawrence. Even in Trevor's first year in 2021 they still sucked at 3-14. But finally, after a multi-year rebuild, the Jags improved to 9-8 in 2022. THAT is a full rebuild.

By contrast, the Rams are keeping bedrock players in their franchise QB in MS, the GOAT of DT's in AD, and the freakishly good CK, not to mention a coaching prodigy in McVay.

Everything I read tells me the Rams are cutting costs in 2023 for an anticipated championship run in 2024.

So yeah, if the Rams take only one year to get their cap in order, many of us have no problem at all with Snead calling it a "remodel."

Getting rid of 3 star players on Defense with the 5th and 6th best players up for renewal on Defense then add your 2nd best wr has been given permission to seek a trade, we lost our top flight kicker, rumors Stafford is/was on the block, zero splash FA signings as of day 2, and none remotely in site if that isn't a rebuild I don't know what one is. MJD calls it a rebuild now, Ellenbogen calls it a rebuild now everyone should be resigned to the fact that we are in a rebuild mode.

We as fans can't count on players drafted contributing significantly in year 1. Tutu, Rapp, Van none lit it up year 1 I contend all three have been marginal.

 

[Malibu]

It's basically a remodel. We are replacing all of our elegant furnishings and replacing it with the lawn furniture from the back yard.

More like the ratty furniture in the backyard of your fraternity. You know the stuff even half baked college kids are afraid to sit or lay on because of certain diseases may pop up down the road.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Getting rid of 3 star players on Defense with the 5th and 6th best players up for renewal on Defense then add your 2nd best wr has been given permission to seek a trade, we lost our top flight kicker, rumors Stafford is/was on the block, zero splash FA signings as of day 2, and none remotely in site if that isn't a rebuild I don't know what one is. MJD calls it a rebuild now, Ellenbogen calls it a rebuild now everyone should be resigned to the fact that we are in a rebuild mode.

We as fans can't count on players drafted contributing significantly in year 1. Tutu, Rapp, Van none lit it up year 1 I contend all three have been marginal.

I hear ya, man. It always amazes me how often we humans can get into unnecessary conflict because in our heads we define certain words in different ways. MJD might define "rebuild" in one way, and you might define "rebuild" a second way, and I might define "rebuild" in yet a third way. So oftentimes it's not that one person is "right" and another person is "wrong", it's just that we have different emotional attachments to the meanings of specific words. "Rebuild" is a word that can have a variety of different meanings to different people.

All I know is... the optimistic side of me hopes that 2023 will be a year when the Rams address their cap issues in order to prepare for another Lombardi run in 2024 with AD, MS, and CK leading the way.

The pessimistic side of me worries that the overhaul the Rams are doing is so drastic that it will take multiple years for us to recover.

So when Snead says "remodel", does he mean it's a "one year thing" or a "multiple year thing"? I guess we'll just have to wait and find out.

McSnead knows that AD and MS are nearing the very end of their careers. My GUESS is that they want to do everything in their power to maximize the chance those 2 can have a legit chance to win it all again as soon as 2024, before they retire. All we can do as fans is wait to see how it all plays out.

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

He says nothing. Just a lot of words.

Hey, you don't mind if we start calling you Yogi Berra, do you?
Just askin'...

~ArkyRamsFan~