This is far from a remodel.

[Dodgersrf]

Thread title cleaned up.

Calling Snead out as a Liar is too much.

Let the off-season play out.

 

[Tano]

Well, if he drafts a HOF player with that third rounder you'll feel differently.

Yes - we will find another Cooper Kupp in the 3rd round

Jrry - any 3rd round picks that you are banging the drum for?

 

[ottoman89]

This is a rebuild. Remodel is a cute word for it.

You don't cut/trade Ramsey, Wagner, and Floyd and have next to no resources and call it a "remodel".

 

[Malibu]

Some people don't know when they have a good thing. The grass is greener syndrome is apparently rampant here. Always wanting to trade away talent thinking more picks are better. Picks simply mean you get the throw the dice more. It guarantees nothing at all. With a vet player you pretty know what you are getting. It takes too long to build from the draft only. By the time you complete your team the earlier drafted guys are either in contract years or are gone. No GM drafts that good.

The Rams went all in to get a Lombardi. What part of all in do people not understand? So now you strip away the excess and go back to your core players. This team has a good core of players if used correctly.

It looks like Tampa will sign Baker, which is good for him. This would change the Ram draft dynamic. I can see them drafting Clayton Tune either with their second 3rd round pick or hope they can get him or another decent prospect to play QB2 in the 5th round. They need better than UDFA QBs given Stafford's health issues. Also the reality of exactly how many years he can hold up. Do they really want to pay him all that guaranteed money in 2024? Hoping he will hold up 3 more years looks like a bad bet. I'm saying that if Tanner McKee drops to them at 36 they need to grab him. Allow him to develop behind Stafford knowing they have a QB coming up behind Stafford. Then play Stafford as long as they can.

The problem with the retread vet backup QBs is that there are reasons they aren't starters. It's one thing to have one or two year rentals on RBs, WRs or even edges, and a completely different thing when you are talking QB, because the money is too big. I love Stafford as a Ram but this whole thing about releasing and trading players is because they gave away the farm for an aging QB who is now coming off double injuries. This would be what my dad would call life lessons. Either learn from it or forever repeat the error.

As long as Stafford stays healthy all is well and good. But that is exactly the problem isn't it.

I get your point but the core imo is Floyd, Wagner and Ramsey too. After them who is behind AD, Stafford and Kupp, Big Rob and Jones I guess but the rest aren't core players period they all could be cut or traded. Jones is the only single player with promise. All the line we drafted flamed out Edwards, Noteboom, Evans. Robinson is available for trade you might say he is a minor core player so do you think getting rid of 4 core players is smart? Do you think the 5 that are left can win games with the others gone? Answer is I doubt it.

At 5bos poin

 

[dang]

Reflecting on what happened in 2022. Did anyone feel comfortable the Rams were going to turn it around by staying the course in 2023. Floyd, Ramsey, Wagner weren’t going to get better. And keeping them was contributing to the Rams cap situation. So it’s a 2 year plan but it’s a plan to spread the talent and $$ around more evenly. It may not work but it’s better than staying the course and maybe limping into the playoffs as wild card only to be demolished by a much better team.

 

[Ram Ts]

I hope Snead or whomever it is that hands out the big money contracts starts to learn something. That’s been one consistent that has sucked - Austin, Gurley, Goff, Woods, Wags, Noteboom, Ramsey, etc, etc. Sone of these were not necessary at the time. Some others were overpays. Some just bad luck.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

This is a rebuild. Remodel is a cute word for it.

You don't cut/trade Ramsey, Wagner, and Floyd and have next to no resources and call it a "remodel".

I would label this a "Tijuana Remodel". You tear everything down, then put up cardboard walls since you have no money to spend.

 

[AZRams]

Yeah, Snead sucks. 7 straight years without a first round draft pick and without a 2nd round pick in 3 of them. 5 winning seasons, 4 postseason berths, 2 SB appearances and a Lombardi.....plus year 7 yet to playout.

Then prior to year 7 they had to cut a 33 yr old ILB (clearly on the downslope), a 31 yr old OLB (criticized for his inability to rush the passer), a 29 yr old CB (accused of decline) and 7 guys who never saw the field to get under the 2023 cap. In doing so, they also are currently 50 mil under the 2024 cap.

What a moron and a liar!!! Shit makes me miss Jay Zymunt and Jeff Fisher!!!!

Damn...well done!

 

[AZRams]

This is a rebuild. Remodel is a cute word for it.

You don't cut/trade Ramsey, Wagner, and Floyd and have next to no resources and call it a "remodel".

Don't like it but couldn't disagree more.

Rebuilding is getting rid of WR1, QB1, key guys on the lines, etc.

Floyd is replaceable. Robinson is replaceable. Ramsey was the obvious piece that would fetch draft capital. Clearly the Rams left a shit-ton of value on the table to move him but who else not named Stafford/Kupp/Donald was gonna get as much as a third and a player?

Seems clear to me that McVay is looking to re-tool the Offense this year and seems that the '24 draft and FA will be about building out the rest.

In a vaccum the Ramsey deal was awful. In context it's a piece of the puzzle and just one of many incremental steps forward.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Yeah, but uhhhhhhh... don't the saints suck? And they sucked the year before. And they aren't getting better.

I'm just stating facts about it, nothing more. And yes the Saints suck a fat one

 

[younghutch]

These things do not happen in a vacuum. I'm guessing Snead & Co. knew in 2021 that 2022 would be Ramsey's last year with the Rams no matter what. He wanted his last 2 years guaranteed...that was NEVER going to happen. And the other teams knew it and knew that the Rams lacked leverage because of it, partially due to Ramsey's behavior at Jacksonville when he didn't get his way. He would pout his way through 2023 and the Rams would get a bag of footballs in trade after that.

They extended Kupp, Staff & AD...those who they felt were cornerstones going forward. I don't think that Ramsey (or any CB or RB or OL) was ever in that discussion.

EDIT - No knock at you AZRams with my "vacuum" reference...I was still typing before I saw your post.

 

[Malibu]

Thread title cleaned up.

Calling Snead out as a Liar is too much.

Let the off-season play out.

I don't appreciate people editing my threads. I am pissed I have a right to be pissed. There is not one poster on either or the major forum boards that is happy about this trade. Neither are any of the top Rams analysts. Jake Ellenbogen went off yesterday - he is the best Rams analyst and usually a big homer but even he couldn't justify this trade.

Why clean up my throat headline when it is exactly the truth. Snead flat out lied to us he didn't need to come out and call his off-season goals a remodel. Getting rid of 3 of the 4 top defensive players offering a top wr a chance to seek a trade tells me this is a rebuild pure and simple. Tell us straight it was not a surprise there have been many threads on pending changes, tight cap, likely cap casualties etc. so no one didn't potentially see it coming.

It is insulting to the posters, fan base etc to lie to them to this type of magnitude when they could come out be straight and say hey we had a great run but unfortunately we need to make massive changes.

But not to whitewash the elephant in the room is the Ramsey trade which I label as GM malfeasance on an epic level combine that with Snead lying to us and this organization has lost a lot of credibility in many eyes.

Lastly I must say everyone is super clear on my position I have endlessly defended Snead and said he is the best or one of the best GMs even after the Goff resigning which was a collosal fuck up based on when it occurred.

 

[Dodgersrf]

I don't appreciate people editing my threads. I am pissed I have a right to be pissed. There is not one poster on either or the major forum boards that is happy about this trade. Neither are any of the top Rams analysts. Jake Ellenbogen went off yesterday - he is the best Rams analyst and usually a big homer but even he couldn't justify this trade.

Why clean up my throat headline when it is exactly the truth. Snead flat out lied to us he didn't need to come out and call his off-season goals a remodel. Getting rid of 3 of the 4 top defensive players offering a top wr a chance to seek a trade tells me this is a rebuild pure and simple. Tell us straight it was not a surprise there have been many threads on pending changes, tight cap, likely cap casualties etc. so no one didn't potentially see it coming.

It is insulting to the posters, fan base etc to lie to them to this type of magnitude when they could come out be straight and say hey we had a great run but unfortunately we need to make massive changes.

But not to whitewash the elephant in the room is the Ramsey trade which I label as GM malfeasance on an epic level combine that with Snead lying to us and this organization has lost a lot of credibility in many eyes.

Lastly I must say everyone is super clear on my position I have endlessly defended Snead and said he is the best or one of the best GMs even after the Goff resigning which was a collosal fuck up based on when it occurred.

Pissed or not.

There are other boards where you can call out Rams personnel.
This is not one of them.

If you don't like having your threads edited, then don't break our rules.

 

[RamUK]

You know how I can legitimately call him a liar is because Snead knew the compensation for Ramsey was pitiful but he still made the deal. If this was a remodel we would have kept Ramsey, Floyd and Wagner, not asked Robinson to seek a trade and have rumors out there that Stafford is on the block (Snead denies) where there is smoke there is fire.

If we got an absolute killer deal for a top 2 at his position in the league maybe we all would get it but this is a full blown rebuild what a fucking liar. This deal is an embarrassment to the organization just like his resigning of Goff after 3 years only to dump him a year later after watching every practice and game and zero need to resign him after year 3 especially if there were any reservations. Feels like this GM doesn't have the business acumen to be in charge of this franchise too many stupid mistakes.

MISTAKES - The Gurley resigning, the Goff new deal after 3 years, Goff/Stafford trade was really steep, signing Wagner for 5 years and let's him go, getting nothing for Floyd and taking Tutu, Jefferson in the 2nd round when there were way better players with much huger needs available etc.

I have been a big supporter of him but all these cumulative mistakes are too hard to not forgive and this was the straw that broke the camels back.

No amount of spin is going to save he or McVay on this trade. Miami gave Denver a 1st, 4th in 2024 and Chase Edmunds we got a mid 3rd rounder and TE that literally has 1 catch for 8 yards in the NFL in 2 years this is unacceptable period. Ramsey is a top 2 CB, Chubb is a top 15 maybe OLB not Joey or Nick Bosa, TJ Watt, Myles Garrett etc.

 

[Loyal]

This is a rebuild. Remodel is a cute word for it.

You don't cut/trade Ramsey, Wagner, and Floyd and have next to no resources and call it a "remodel".

lipstick on a hog?

 

[ottoman89]

lipstick on a hog?

They'd still be prettier than what our situation is currently.

 

[Tumak61]

Reflecting on what happened in 2022. Did anyone feel comfortable the Rams were going to turn it around by staying the course in 2023. Floyd, Ramsey, Wagner weren’t going to get better. And keeping them was contributing to the Rams cap situation. So it’s a 2 year plan but it’s a plan to spread the talent and $$ around more evenly. It may not work but it’s better than staying the course and maybe limping into the playoffs as wild card only to be demolished by a much better team.

Nailed it dude. Team was on a downward trajectory and McVay and Snead saw that. Snead called Cupp, Donald, and Stafford the core group for a reason.

 

[Merlin]

Well, the *uck them Picks Era is over.

We are back to the time in the early 2000's when draft gurus and amateur GM's reached nirvana over their personal draft boards. We have lots of third rounders this draft and next year? Gasp,,, A FIRST ROUNDER! My goodness, the trade downs envisioned by the gurus next year will be measured by the number of losses this season. Relax friends, Happy Days Are Here Again.

It's about goddamn time.
@jrry32

 

[Ram_Rally]

This is a rebuild. Remodel is a cute word for it.

You don't cut/trade Ramsey, Wagner, and Floyd and have next to no resources and call it a "remodel".

To be fair though, wouldn't we have said the same about trading cooks, Peters, and cutting Gurley?

 

[Q729]

Hunker down folks! It's back to the good old days.