Raheem Morris discussion thread

[tklongball]

I am not defending the soft zone approach. I understand it to some degree, but it still drives me nuts. I am just passing along info as to why he is playing it that way now, why he played it that way last year (Pre-Von), and why it was different late last year. And also hoping that it points to help at Edge by the trade deadline.

 

[dieterbrock]

Defense is only allowing 16 ppg
Morris doesnt care about the style points that fans look for
He's just working with what he has
And this season, it's working

 

[Tano]

Just laughing at people relitigating Morris…

I think @Merlin has a pretty solid take on him.

Others? Not so much.

Whatever dude.

You and I disagree on Morris.

But I do not laugh at your take.

 

[Tano]

Defense is only allowing 16 ppg
Morris doesnt care about the style points that fans look for
He's just working with what he has
And this season, it's working

Very few interceptions (bottom 10) and sacks (again bottom 10) - it is not working as well as it could be

Points is great but I want to see more interceptions and sacks - Yes I am a greedy f%%$

 

[Kupped]

Whatever dude.

You and I disagree on Morris.

But I do not laugh at your take.

Sorry, but I do.

It’s just connected to my frustration with my frustration with people, in general.

Not about you. It’s about the take.

 

[CanadaRam]

D lost Von Miller, a serious difference maker and is giving up 16 points a game.
D has been excellent. Some can say it is because of Morris. Others can say it is despite Morris. That is opinion. Fact is most important stat on D is points allowed.
AD's numbers are far from his best this year. Is that because he's not playing as well or because he is doing what it takes to limit points.
I believe it's the latter.

Rams challenges are on the O not the D

 

[Tano]

Sorry, but I do.

It’s just connected to my frustration with my frustration with people, in general.

Not about you. It’s about the take.

You really shouldn't care about other people's takes.

I don't.

I am just giving my opinion and as the saying goes... opinions are like assholes - everyone has one

 

[Kupped]

You really shouldn't care about other people's takes.

I don't.

I am just giving my opinion and as the saying goes... opinions are like assholes - everyone has one

Sure.

I’d just think Rams fans would be paying attention to their team.

They have a shit pass rush and have had turmoil in the secondary… and have done well.

People post about Morris playing soft without any acknowledgment of context.

And we haven’t even talked about playing low-risk because the offense can’t get into a shootout.

Morris showed what he can and will do when properly equipped.
He’s No Fangio, but he’s a good coach.

I’m just disappointed in Rams fans who are in such a hurry to tear down one of the team’s coaches that they’ll ignore the track record.

 

[fearsomefour]

The only stat that really matters, at the end of the day, is points per game.
Giving up 16 per game, in the modern NFL, you should win every game.
When/if the offense can take some pressure off of the defense and take a couple of possession a game away from opponents or make them one dimensional, we will see the pressures and turn overs that tend to come with that.
The Rams are using the defense in a smart way, given their injuries.
With people coming back in the secondary I hope we see some more varied looks depending on the opponent.

 

[Tano]

The only stat that really matters, at the end of the day, is points per game.
Giving up 16 per game, in the modern NFL, you should win every game.
When/if the offense can take some pressure off of the defense and take a couple of possession a game away from opponents or make them one dimensional, we will see the pressures and turn overs that tend to come with that.
The Rams are using the defense in a smart way, given their injuries.
With people coming back in the secondary I hope we see some more varied looks depending on the opponent.

Bah - I already said I am a greedy asshole and want more sacks and interceptions

Then this very good defense would be a great defense and I think we have the players to accomplish that if we didn't play soft on 95% of the plays before we get inside the 30 yard line.

 

[Tano]

Sure.

I’d just think Rams fans would be paying attention to their team.

They have a shit pass rush and have had turmoil in the secondary… and have done well.

People post about Morris playing soft without any acknowledgment of context.

And we haven’t even talked about playing low-risk because the offense can’t get into a shootout.

Morris showed what he can and will do when properly equipped.
He’s No Fangio, but he’s a good coach.

I’m just disappointed in Rams fans who are in such a hurry to tear down one of the team’s coaches that they’ll ignore the track record.

I am not tearing him down and I don't think a lot of people criticizing Morris are tearing him down.

We just want him to play a little more aggressive especially on 3rd down and longer than 10 yards.

And change up from soft to aggressive on the first or second downs occasionally.

I really don't think that is asking too much and I feel even with the injuries that we can do that.

And what I just posted in red is where you and I disagree and that is fine.

 

[Kupped]

I am not tearing him down and I don't think a lot of people criticizing Morris are tearing him down.

We just want him to play a little more aggressive especially on 3rd down and longer than 10 yards.

And change up from soft to aggressive on the first or second downs occasionally.

I really don't think that is asking too much and I feel even with the injuries that we can do that.

And what I just posted in red is where you and I disagree and that is fine.

My point is that you’re questioning a strategy without giving much thought to context.

You want aggression for aggression’s sake without really considering what the downsides are. You only present the benefits.

 

[Tano]

My point is that you’re questioning a strategy without giving much thought to context.

I really disagree with this.

I have thought about context and I believe that we can play more aggressive even with the injuries that have occurred and the possible downside. I think at worst with the players we have that we might give up a 20 yard pass play from time to time which will be offset by more sacks and interceptions.

Right now the better QBs and the 5 yard specialist (I am looking at you Krapola) will be able to drive down the field and get FGs at worst. Even Murray was able to drive down the field with short passes.

But I do want to stress that I am extremely impressed with Morris once the other team does pass the 30 yard line. We have excellent red zone defenses. It helps that Morris has to be more aggressive once we get in the red zone.

I personally believe that Morris could be aggressive on the other side of the field with his skills to deny the offense. But he is too timid to implement it at this time. You need to believe in your players especially if they are playing well for the most part.

 

[fearsomefour]

Bah - I already said I am a greedy asshole and want more sacks and interceptions

Then this very good defense would be a great defense and I think we have the players to accomplish that if we didn't play soft on 95% of the plays before we get inside the 30 yard line.

Perhaps.
But that would also mean giving up more big plays....which the offense can't make up for at this point.
When the O gets efficient again I think we will see more variety from the D.

 

[Tumak61]

The Rams offense has run a lot of plays the first 6 games. They are averaging 62 or 63 plays a game. Explosive plays are the main issue for the Team at this point. Get Tutu and Van on the field and let's get over the top of this Niner D

 

[jacktheripper85]

I really disagree with this.

I have thought about context and I believe that we can play more aggressive even with the injuries that have occurred and the possible downside. I think at worst with the players we have that we might give up a 20 yard pass play from time to time which will be offset by more sacks and interceptions.

Right now the better QBs and the 5 yard specialist (I am looking at you Krapola) will be able to drive down the field and get FGs at worst.

Agreed. Everyone knows Morris is playing the type defense he is is to project our young, inexperienced corners from getting torched-and it has been very effective.

I think the question becomes that when we play the likes of Cooper Rush or Jimmy G should be just let them dink and dunk us to death or do we unleash the blitz once in a while to try and cause a turnover. Looking at both QBs above I would say the latter. Either QB is more likely to panic and throw a 5-yd Hail Mary INT-see Jimmy G last week, vs completing a 50 yard bomb.

Now, if the QB is a Rogers, Brady or Mahomes the narrative is obviously different.

 

[Tano]

Agreed. Everyone knows Morris is playing the type defense he is is to project our young, inexperienced corners from getting torched-and it has been very effective.

I think the question becomes that when we play the likes of Cooper Rush or Jimmy G should be just let them dink and dunk us to death or do we unleash the blitz once in a while to try and cause a turnover. Looking at both QBs above I would say the latter. Either QB is more likely to panic and throw a 5-yd Hail Mary INT-see Jimmy G last week, vs completing a 50 yard bomb.

Now, if the QB is a Rogers, Brady or Mahomes the narrative is obviously different.

I would still be aggressive from time to time against those guys but probably a lot less than I would be against Rush and Krapola

 

[Kupped]

I really disagree with this.

I have thought about context and I believe that we can play more aggressive even with the injuries that have occurred and the possible downside. I think at worst with the players we have that we might give up a 20 yard pass play from time to time which will be offset by more sacks and interceptions.

Right now the better QBs and the 5 yard specialist (I am looking at you Krapola) will be able to drive down the field and get FGs at worst. Even Murray was able to drive down the field with short passes.

But I do want to stress that I am extremely impressed with Morris once the other team does pass the 30 yard line. We have excellent red zone defenses. It helps that Morris has to be more aggressive once we get in the red zone.

I personally believe that Morris could be aggressive on the other side of the field with his skills to deny the offense. But he is too timid to implement it at this time. You need to believe in your players especially if they are playing well for the most part.

Sorry… but you reinforce everything I’m saying… right down to calling Morris “timid”.
You even go so far as to say he’s forced to be more aggressive in the red zone… when that’s actually the design. They have less field to worry about on the back end.

You also GREATLY minimize the downside. An occasional 20 yard reception? No, the downside is getting beaten over the top, repeatedly.

You don’t factor in the Rams difficulty scoring.

“You need to believe in your players..” etc.. etc… you may not think you’re tearing down a Rams coach, but that’s exactly what you’re doing.

Not only does he lack fortitude, according to you, he also can’t properly evaluate his own players and/or just doesn’t trust them for some strange, undefined reason… as opposed to him consciously building them up and adding more to their plate as the season goes on.

 

[Tano]

Sorry… but you reinforce everything I’m saying… right down to calling Morris “timid”.
You even go so far as to say he’s forced to be more aggressive in the red zone… when that’s actually the design. They have less field to worry about on the back end.

You also GREATLY minimize the downside. An occasional 20 yard reception? No, the downside is getting beaten over the top, repeatedly.

You don’t factor in the Rams difficulty scoring.

“You need to believe in your players..” etc.. etc… you may not think you’re tearing down a Rams coach, but that’s exactly what you’re doing.

Not only does he lack fortitude, according to you, he also can’t properly evaluate his own players and/or just doesn’t trust them for some strange, undefined reason… as opposed to him consciously building them up and adding more to their plate as the season goes on.

And that's the thing - I do NOT think they would be repeatedly beaten over the top.

And that's the main difference between you and I.

You are JUST as timid as Morris.

I rest my case.

 

[Kupped]

And that's the thing - I do NOT think they would be repeatedly beaten over the top.

And that's the main difference between you and I.

You are JUST as timid as Morris.

I rest my case.

Lol.

Thank you for hammering home the fact that you can’t factor in the downside.

In your mind, there are only rewards for being aggressive… with no real appreciation for the downside.

I love aggressive play… I love winning more.

The Rams aren’t giving up many points on D. I don’t care if it doesn’t look great.

Being tough is much more important to me than looking tough.