Jaxson Dart spends considerable time with the Rams

[WestCoastRam]

If you figure one can be brought up to take over, 26 is a fucking huge bargain.

People keep saying wait until next year. But then who knows if Stafford will decide he’s done after this year and you’re left with overpaying someone like Grabmypole or some other middling veteran.

I say this keeping in mind that we have probably at least as good of a team as last season and probably have actually improved.

We are contenders no matter what they do. Wait another year to grab a QB and you have the real possibility of either having to put him on the field too early or at minimum being a year behind in NFL development.

I'll take Snead at face value saying they want to add a "special" QB. If you think that guy is in this class, go get him. If not, don't draft just some dude.

Don't draft a QB this class just to take a dart throw. If you want a special QB, just go after one. In draft, FA, trade, whatever. Do what it takes.

 

[DzRams]

I'll take Snead at face value saying they want to add a "special" QB. If you think that guy is in this class, go get him. If not, don't draft just some dude.

Don't draft a QB this class just to take a dart throw. If you want a special QB, just go after one. In draft, FA, trade, whatever. Do what it takes.

This take is the closest to Snead's MO. The Rams get really aggressive when they like a guy but they don't do dart throws.

 

[CoachAllred]

The Rams are smart to play the Dart hand.

I am feeling nearly 100% we are NOT picking him.

I hope they are leading teams to believe they are very interested in a QB at 26
while really looking to get top dollar value on a trade down.
Draft is deep in a couple areas we could use, so I prefer more picks over a 1st round.
as long as the price is right.

 

[RamFan503]

Looking at last year’s playoff teams, it seems more likely the lions, vikings, and bucs fall off more than the Rams would be expected to.

I think this is likely.

 

[JonRam99]

hmmm... McCord. Kid took a Syracuse program & elevated it. Beat #8 Miami, and then trounced Wash State in their bowl game.
Year before? 6-10.
I look for QB's to take average programs & elevate them. Kid has a cannon of an arm. Not sure why he's ranked lower, anyone know? just because of "level of competition"? I dunno that he'll still be around in the 3rd at pick #90.
But a QB that takes a great program and sand bags it... just say no to Milroe.
If Dart's still around at #26, that's tempting, but I'm sure we'd get a boat-load of picks from a QB needy team.

 

[dieterbrock]

I hope they are leading teams to believe they are very interested in a QB at 26
while really looking to get top dollar value on a trade down.
Draft is deep in a couple areas we could use, so I prefer more picks over a 1st round.
as long as the price is right.

I dont really understand this line of thinking, if the Rams are feigning interest in QB at #26, that would force teams looking at QB to jump ahead of the Rams at #26. On top of that, 5 of the 6 teams prior to #26 are set at QB, none of which would be looking QB themselves

 

[Merlin]

hmmm... McCord. Kid took a Syracuse program & elevated it. Beat #8 Miami, and then trounced Wash State in their bowl game.
Year before? 6-10.
I look for QB's to take average programs & elevate them. Kid has a cannon of an arm. Not sure why he's ranked lower, anyone know? just because of "level of competition"? I dunno that he'll still be around in the 3rd at pick #90.
But a QB that takes a great program and sand bags it... just say no to Milroe.
If Dart's still around at #26, that's tempting, but I'm sure we'd get a boat-load of picks from a QB needy team.

Yes. Teams undoubtedly have him higher than the media. I turned on his film and was like "holy shit." Rarely watch teams like Syracuse during the season.

But teams do get stupid with groupthink on QBs. Some years you'll have dudes who get buttonholed as this or that or perceived risk of whatever type or just overnuke the shit out of them and magnify problems that should not be all that concerning. That said I suspect what is going on is teams like McCord much more than they are letting on and he's not the only QB that is true of.

Dart unfortunately has gotten action by the media as a side effect of the realization that Shedur Sanders lacks the talent to be any sort of chosen one. He's the next guy up on their boards. I am sure teams like him very much, but taking a guy who needs a redshirt in the top ten is absurd. Then again this is a QB insane period we live in so one could argue that if you think a dude has a chance to be a starter down the road then take him.

 

[rdlkgliders]

hmmm... McCord. Kid took a Syracuse program & elevated it. Beat #8 Miami, and then trounced Wash State in their bowl game.
Year before? 6-10.
I look for QB's to take average programs & elevate them. Kid has a cannon of an arm. Not sure why he's ranked lower, anyone know? just because of "level of competition"? I dunno that he'll still be around in the 3rd at pick #90.
But a QB that takes a great program and sand bags it... just say no to Milroe.
If Dart's still around at #26, that's tempting, but I'm sure we'd get a boat-load of picks from a QB needy team.

McCord is the guy I think could surprise.
He is athletic enough but is a pocket passer, I read hasn't been playing the position a long time, He will trust his arm a little too much.
Physically he isn't exceptional lower mid to mid pack in Measurables - HT, WT, Hand Size, 40 and Span, these are some of the reasons he is slotted where he is

His ability to extend plays is still an unknown but hasn't shown a positive yet
Gets a bit nervous under pressure and mechanics suffer
Can take a beat too long to make reads (locks On)
Throws from really only 1 position (no arm angle adjustment)

I Like him end of day to top of 3 but somebody may have a crush on him. I think with McVay & Stafford around him he "could" become a quality starter

 

[dieterbrock]

Yes. Teams undoubtedly have him higher than the media. I turned on his film and was like "holy shit." Rarely watch teams like Syracuse during the season.

But teams do get stupid with groupthink on QBs. Some years you'll have dudes who get buttonholed as this or that or perceived risk of whatever type or just overnuke the shit out of them and magnify problems that should not be all that concerning. That said I suspect what is going on is teams like McCord much more than they are letting on and he's not the only QB that is true of.

Dart unfortunately has gotten action by the media as a side effect of the realization that Shedur Sanders lacks the talent to be any sort of chosen one. He's the next guy up on their boards. I am sure teams like him very much, but taking a guy who needs a redshirt in the top ten is absurd. Then again this is a QB insane period we live in so one could argue that if you think a dude has a chance to be a starter down the road then take him.

The thing about McCord is that he wasnt all that impressive at Ohio State, they seemed happy he left which allowed them to "upgrade" to Will Howard.
Thought he was over rated against Notre Dame, & when I saw him play in person at Rutgers I wasnt impressed one bit
But dayum, it was like an entirely different QB who played at Cuse, and that guy I liked....

 

[WestCoastRam]

I dont really understand this line of thinking, if the Rams are feigning interest in QB at #26, that would force teams looking at QB to jump ahead of the Rams at #26. On top of that, 5 of the 6 teams prior to #26 are set at QB, none of which would be looking QB themselves

So I guess the other argument is you make it seem like you want QBs to get people to take them ahead of you to push talent down.

I see a scenario where that's the case, seems like an awful lot of work to do for minimal return right now.

More likely, there are QB's they have a lot of questions on, so they're doing due diligence. Visits don't mean they want a guy, just that they like someone and want to know more about them to determine if they want a guy and where.

 

[WestCoastRam]

The thing about McCord is that he wasnt all that impressive at Ohio State, they seemed happy he left which allowed them to "upgrade" to Will Howard.
Thought he was over rated against Notre Dame, & when I saw him play in person at Rutgers I wasnt impressed one bit
But dayum, it was like an entirely different QB who played at Cuse, and that guy I liked....

So you're saying guys can play their final year in college and take a big leap...

 

[Merlin]

The thing about McCord is that he wasnt all that impressive at Ohio State, they seemed happy he left which allowed them to "upgrade" to Will Howard.
Thought he was over rated against Notre Dame, & when I saw him play in person at Rutgers I wasnt impressed one bit
But dayum, it was like an entirely different QB who played at Cuse, and that guy I liked....

No doubt the Ohio St fallout factors in. I never watch Syracuse so his play was a big surprise to me. Watching the full games after all is different than seeing highlights of him lighting up "Whatever U."

Shough is similar in that he's better than I thought he was. This is why I think this class is a bit under the radar. It lacks the quality at the top but there's quite a few guys who have a chance to develop into starters. Really interesting group and aligns nicely with what we need which is someone to park behind 9.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Over a 10-year span, you get around 25–30 total QBs drafted who become multi-year starters.

That averages to 2-3 starters a year.

Take your swings but have a clear eye as to what this class really is.

 

[Ground Chuck]

Don't draft a QB this class just to take a dart throw.

I see what you did there.

 

[Ground Chuck]

If you figure one can be brought up to take over, 26 is a fucking huge bargain.

People keep saying wait until next year. But then who knows if Stafford will decide he’s done after this year and you’re left with overpaying someone like Grabmypole or some other middling veteran.

I say this keeping in mind that we have probably at least as good of a team as last season and probably have actually improved.

We are contenders no matter what they do. Wait another year to grab a QB and you have the real possibility of either having to put him on the field too early or at minimum being a year behind in NFL development.

I see the balance, here, but ultimately unless they see some Brady, or Montana quality in one of these guys, like Dart (Hell no to Shitduer) that #26 could be a huge piece of the puzzle at a Super Bowl run this year AND next. (I am convinced Stafford, injury possibility aside, plays two more and retires with Puka)

Let's nail that pick, a-la-Verse, with an ILB, corner or maybe TE, and dominate these sombitches!

 

[RamFan503]

I see the balance, here, but ultimately unless they see some Brady, or Montana quality in one of these guys, like Dart (Hell no to Shitduer) that #26 could be a huge piece of the puzzle at a Super Bowl run this year AND next. (I am convinced Stafford, injury possibility aside, plays two more and retires with Puka)

Let's nail that pick, a-la-Verse, with an ILB, corner or maybe TE, and dominate these sombitches!

Yeah. I’m just figuring they have a shitload more info than we do so my premise is only if they see something they really like.

 

[rdlkgliders]

Really interesting group and aligns nicely with what we need which is someone to park behind 9.

If on day 3 we could add Ewers, Shough or McCord to the roster it would be a nice grab in my eyes. I totally agree that the top of the "3rd tier" of QB's has some interesting prospects with upside.

 

[rdlkgliders]

@dieterbrock @Merlin

After such a tumultuous time at Ohio State McCord wasn't statistically as bad as it seemed maybe.
Here is the ESPN QBR from 2023 @ Ohio State, I know, I know another grain of salt comparison but!!

I'll be the first to say that Kyle still has too many drives where he seems off, However, it seems like this is year where there are very few truly elite QBs, and Kyle may still actually be one of the best? I was taking a look at ESPN's total QBR, and he's ahead of some notable guys that I bet a lot of us would trade for. Obviously it's just one version of a total QB ranking, but it's a good reminder that a lot of fanbases are cursing their QB situation right now too.

1. J.J. McCarthy (MICH) - 93.6
2. Michael Penix (WASH) - 91.6
3. Dillon Gabriel (OU) - 91.0
4. Jayden Daniels (LSU) - 90.1
5. Conner Weigman (TA&M) - 87.7
6. Kyle McCord (OSU) - 86.6
7. DJ Uiagalelei (ORST) - 86.5
8. Caleb Williams (USC) - 86.2
9. Drake Maye (UNC) - 85.8
10. Tyler Van Dyke (MIA) - 84.5 ... 15: Quinn Ewers (TEXAS) - 81.1 ... 21: Drew Allar (PSU) - 75.2

For discussion purposes, I'll note that CJ's full-season QBR last year was 87.7.

I think one of these Tier 3 guys is going to hit, just a gut.

 

[dieterbrock]

Take your swings but have a clear eye as to what this class really is.

The only clear eye would be one in a couple years from now, looking back. The people saying this is a weak QB class are the same who thought that 2023 was a strong one

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

hmmm... McCord. Kid took a Syracuse program & elevated it. Beat #8 Miami, and then trounced Wash State in their bowl game.
Year before? 6-10.
I look for QB's to take average programs & elevate them. Kid has a cannon of an arm. Not sure why he's ranked lower, anyone know? just because of "level of competition"? I dunno that he'll still be around in the 3rd at pick #90.
But a QB that takes a great program and sand bags it... just say no to Milroe.
If Dart's still around at #26, that's tempting, but I'm sure we'd get a boat-load of picks from a QB needy team.

The main reason Ohio State moved on was the lack of athleticism. McCord is a pure pocket passer. In general, every NFL team wants a Lamar Jackson now. A guy who can do it all. Those players are a nightmare against man coverage. A QB that can run is a huge offensive advantage. So, maybe McCord doesn’t fit the trend and it’s why a less successful passer like Milroe is considered a possible first round pick.

I dont really understand this line of thinking, if the Rams are feigning interest in QB at #26, that would force teams looking at QB to jump ahead of the Rams at #26. On top of that, 5 of the 6 teams prior to #26 are set at QB, none of which would be looking QB themselves

It could be to get teams to try to trade ahead of them so it pushes better talent back. It could also be to make teams think they seriously want a QB and need a more persuasive offer to give up their intent of using the #26 pick on said QB.

So I guess the other argument is you make it seem like you want QBs to get people to take them ahead of you to push talent down.

I see a scenario where that's the case, seems like an awful lot of work to do for minimal return right now.

More likely, there are QB's they have a lot of questions on, so they're doing due diligence. Visits don't mean they want a guy, just that they like someone and want to know more about them to determine if they want a guy and where.

Both.

One guy on a podcast, said that people make a big deal out of meetings and 30 visits. Most of those visits are just a way to answer a few final questions they had about a player. He knows teams that immediately after a guy leaves the building, they take him off their board.

Before the combine we always hear that 95% of what teams use to evaluate players is on the tape. That’s what matters most. Somehow, the closer we get to the draft the more we forget that. So visits and meetings are to test character and aptitude. The combine was mainly started as a way to get consensus measurements and medical reports. The media has turned it into the ‘teams looking for the freakiest athletes’ show. These meetings don’t mean as much as we like to think.