Jaxson Dart spends considerable time with the Rams

[El Chapo Jr]

So how many heads will explode on this forum if the Rams trade up to 19 or 20, before the Steelers, to take Dart?

If that were to happen, you have to have faith in McVay's evaluation of him. Obviously they wouldn't trade for him if McVay didn't really like his potential.

Count me as one that won't have a head explosion but that will simply think its a dumb move. No matter who the Rams draft, I hope that player balls out, that player is a Ram after all lol

 

[muggmeister]

I think it's been proven over time that you should NEVER reach for a QB in a poor draft class. Wait til next year when they're realistically could be 5 or 6 QBs with 1st round grades. No Dart and especially no Jalen fucking Milroe.

 

[Jacobarch]

I'm not sold on any QBs this draft before the 3rd round. The best I see is Baker Mayfield 2.0. Which is fine but not first round talent.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I think it's been proven over time that you should NEVER reach for a QB in a poor draft class. Wait til next year when they're realistically could be 5 or 6 QBs with 1st round grades. No Dart and especially no Jalen fucking Milroe.

I agree, reaching for a QB in general is a losing proposition. If a team is going to do it, then reach for the highest upside, which imo is Milroe. But I’d rather it be in round 3

 

[PhillyRam]

I think it's been proven over time that you should NEVER reach for a QB in a poor draft class. Wait til next year when they're realistically could be 5 or 6 QBs with 1st round grades. No Dart and especially no Jalen fucking Milroe.

Yeah, that Mahomes reach by Andy Reid really blew up in his face.

 

[jap]

Agreed. It’s likely a ruse to present the threat that they are taking him.

The Horns do things like this more often than not. No team hides their cards better than the Horns.

 

[thirteen28]

The Rams are smart to play the Dart hand.

I am feeling nearly 100% we are NOT picking him.

I'm not going to say the would never pick him, but it's both good for them to do their due diligence, and if they aren't planning on picking him, putting up some smoke might not be such a bad idea. Maybe he's there at 26 and some team that desperately wants him makes an insane trade up that works to our benefit.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Rams' recent history seems to suggest that if they truly like a player, we will hear ZERO about it before the draft.

For example: last year it got "leaked" that the Rams met with Chop Robinson. But the Rams' private meeting with Jared Verse was kept a secret.

Yeah, Jourdan says what really matters is the Sugarman meetings which I don't think we'll discover until after the draft.

 

[Noregar]

Most late 1st round QB picks have been pretty successful because the players usually had time to sit and develop and they went to stronger organizations with better talent. I trust that McVay has an eye for QB talent. Not sure they go with a 1st round QB who does not have a very high ceiling. McVay traded Goff because he was not satisfied that he could help him actually win a Super Bowl. "Can this guy win a super bowl?" has to be the predominant question for taking a QB at 26. If they think the answer is yes then draft away. If they are just trying to find a good / serviceable starter for the post-Stafford era then they should pass on QB in the first. Even though Dart is more athletic I think Sanders would give them a better chance at another ring. Very very slim chance Sanders is there at 26.

 

[snackdaddy]

Kiper's latest mock has Dart dropping to 26 and the Rams picking him. Not sure I'd agree with that. But if there is any team that would be in a position to let him sit a couple years its the Rams. But who would pick a QB in the first round knowing he'll the the QB3? I still don't see it happening. Too many QB needy teams who are desperate for their next franchise guy.

 

[Tano]

I'm sorry but I will blow a fuse if they choose Dart at 26 or even worse trade up for him.

That's a desperation move from a team needing a new QB. And the Rams are not a desperate team yet.

I will call it that it is just as bad as taking Tutu over Creed.

 

[Corbin]

Meh...I have a feeling this is a smoke screen for a direction none of us know. When is the last time this FO let it out the bag "we really like somebody"?. Not to common at all since those few years many back we picked those at the senior bowl we met with.

I have a sneaky feeling McVay and Co. don't see anybody early at QB and might snake McCord in the 3rd-6th rds. Seems like their M.O. in recent years. This doesn't rule out a QB next year either as both a QB this draft and next draft will be on rookie deals and this will probably be Jimmy G's last year with us if that's the case.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I'm not sold on any QBs this draft before the 3rd round. The best I see is Baker Mayfield 2.0. Which is fine but not first round talent.

Funny thing is, this draft could easily be like 2022, 1 QB in the first round and teams waiting until the 3rd to take QBs. That year I think Willis and Coral were invited to draft night.

(Though I think Shedur doesn't get past Saints, Steelers or - GASP - us!).

 

[Merlin]

Kiper's latest mock has Dart dropping to 26 and the Rams picking him. Not sure I'd agree with that. But if there is any team that would be in a position to let him sit a couple years its the Rams. But who would pick a QB in the first round knowing he'll the the QB3? I still don't see it happening. Too many QB needy teams who are desperate for their next franchise guy.

Dart's problem is he needs a redshirt. He is probably not ready to play unless you install an offense he understands and break shit down Barney style for him with McVay handling his pre-snap reads. But you can only do so much there as the mic cuts out and defenses know they can switch it up late. But this is why he's such a nice fit for the Rams, because they could use a young QB sitting behind Stafford.

I think Shough or McCord can probably play a bit sooner but of course this is all guesswork because any one of them may be better than the rest at speed of learning this offense. But I do think the general outlook of the Ole Miss offense not being good for a young QB transitioning to the NFL to be accurate.

I would not put it past the Rams to leak that they visited with Dart for a long period while they secretly love someone else. They are certainly not stupid. And they have in the past played this sort of game to some extent so there is no telling.

But as to who would pick a QB in the first round knowing he'll be the QB3 a good example of that was Green Bay, who a lot of teams respect in how they pulled that off. Kansas City also did it to great effect with Mahomes, who worked his way into team respect by running the scout team until the staff could no longer deny he was the dude.

The worst spot Dart could fall to would be a team who needs him to play year one. Teams can think "oh well we won't care if he's in a bit over his head" but the truth is putting a QB out there before he's ready can really screw up his window of earning that team respect and the fans can turn against him. Of course if he's got the resilience to fight and work his way to good form he'll succeed eventually but that road can look a lot different if the staff mismanages it.

 

[Ram Ts]

I don’t think they go QB until it’s a guy they think can win a SB himself. They go big or not at all. Big swings. Taking one of these QBs is taking a guy who maybe can develop into an above average starter. Nope. They already have Jimmy G.

When the Rams go for their new post-Stafford QB, it will be a BIG MAJOR baller move by Snead. Whether that be a huge Trade for an established QB or top 3-5 draft pick.

 

[rdlkgliders]

I think Shough or McCord can probably play a bit sooner but of course this is all guesswork because any one of them may be better than the rest at speed of learning this offense. But I do think the general outlook of the Ole Miss offense not being good for a young QB transitioning to the NFL to be accurate.

I have been attempting a deep dive into analytic reports on the QB's. Unfortunately I haven't done a good job organizing articles and videos. It is a really interesting year with arguably only 1 tier 1 QB Cam Ward and IMO he is an NFL ready QB that has a lower risk chance to bust for all the reasons that the QB GURU's have pointed out.

When you get to tier 2 Dart & Sanders what I keep hearing is that there is nothing elite, now not to overreact that's not necessarily an indicator tied directly to success, we have way to many examples of QB's like Brady etc that didn't have elite skill ratings coming out.

The caveat is teams do highly value upside and elite traits and are less likely to make moves for a franchise player who doesn't show great upside and ability to be exceptional.

The QB not named ward that has Elite Skill throwing the Ball and keeps coming back and catching my eye is McCord
He learned the Syracuse offense in appx a week after transfer has size and arm strength at arguably an elite level (I will try and find a really good article I read talking about McCord vs the other QB's solely based on analytics)

I think if we take a QB we may be best served to see where guys like McCord, Shough, Howard & Ewers are slotting in and take a flier on one of them, The way our picks align now I think it will take a deal to get it done.

Here are just some numbers for fun and we all know that great QB play comes from between the ears and elite players are usually cerebral and highly skilled. This is why so many teams and F.O''s have lost their jobs & frustrated fan bases

Here are the numbers Galko shared from the East-West Shrine Bowl workouts:

Spiral efficiency​

McCord: 93%



NFL average: 81%

Spin rate​

McCord: 699 RPM average



NFL average: 592 RPM

Velocity​

McCord: 49.4 mph average



NFL average: 44.8 mph

Max. velocity​

McCord: 55.7 mph



NFL average: 52.6 mph

To me these are a grain of salt example but if they were poor it would be a bad sign. Ruling out inadequacy can be as powerful as pointing out strengths.

 

[dieterbrock]

3 pages of (more) speculation based on a single quote that the Rams were amongst several teams that spent time with Dart. For all we know they could have been asking him about Tre Harris

 

[majrleaged]

The Rams won't be picking a QB from this group unless it is mid to late rounds. It doesn't make sense for them to reach for these guys. All the QBs are flawed and there is probably only 1 QB worth a r1 pick.
If the Rams can't move back, they will probably get a WR or CB or Tackle. These 3 positions are the most critical to the Rams future. The tackle because McVay has said they can no longer allow injuries to the Oline to derail their season and we have no real back up that can be counted on not to derail the season. WR and CB because the Room still needs upgrading and R1 is most likely to get us an impactful player for this year.

 

[dieterbrock]

Yeah, that Mahomes reach by Andy Reid really blew up in his face.

And Jordan Love to Green Bay, what a disaster!

 

[rdlkgliders]

3 pages of (more) speculation based on a single quote that the Rams were amongst several teams that spent time with Dart. For all we know they could have been asking him about Tre Harris

Right! Draft season is kooky and this one seems to be a little extra kooky, hell not even the teams no much. I guess this is what we do in the off season right before the storm.