Jaxson Dart spends considerable time with the Rams

[dieterbrock]

Right! Draft season is kooky and this one seems to be a little extra kooky, hell not even the teams no much. I guess this is what we do in the off season right before the storm.

I swear it feels different this year, like there's an extra month or something. I know there isnt, it just seems like the wait is longer than normal. Maybe it was all the Stafford drama got the juices flowing early? I dunno... I guess its about 2 weeks to go now, at least we're gaining on it

 

[rdlkgliders]

I swear it feels different this year, like there's an extra month or something. I know there isnt, it just seems like the wait is longer than normal. Maybe it was all the Stafford drama got the juices flowing early? I dunno... I guess its about 2 weeks to go now, at least we're gaining on it

I agree, the last couple weeks have gotten a bit goofy. I kinda think it is partially due to the uncertainty you speak of as well as the stability of the franchise and us having so many options. The days of get any number of x players the f off the field and get me a replacement starter just isn't the case this year. So we are all GM'ing from our couches

 

[WestCoastRam]

Dart's problem is he needs a redshirt. He is probably not ready to play unless you install an offense he understands and break shit down Barney style for him with McVay handling his pre-snap reads. But you can only do so much there as the mic cuts out and defenses know they can switch it up late. But this is why he's such a nice fit for the Rams, because they could use a young QB sitting behind Stafford.

I think Shough or McCord can probably play a bit sooner but of course this is all guesswork because any one of them may be better than the rest at speed of learning this offense. But I do think the general outlook of the Ole Miss offense not being good for a young QB transitioning to the NFL to be accurate.

I would not put it past the Rams to leak that they visited with Dart for a long period while they secretly love someone else. They are certainly not stupid. And they have in the past played this sort of game to some extent so there is no telling.

But as to who would pick a QB in the first round knowing he'll be the QB3 a good example of that was Green Bay, who a lot of teams respect in how they pulled that off. Kansas City also did it to great effect with Mahomes, who worked his way into team respect by running the scout team until the staff could no longer deny he was the dude.

The worst spot Dart could fall to would be a team who needs him to play year one. Teams can think "oh well we won't care if he's in a bit over his head" but the truth is putting a QB out there before he's ready can really screw up his window of earning that team respect and the fans can turn against him. Of course if he's got the resilience to fight and work his way to good form he'll succeed eventually but that road can look a lot different if the staff mismanages it.

This seems like a reasonable read of the situation

 

[Jorgeh0605]

I wouldn’t mind a trade up if they like him. But it is also in their best interest to pretend and like him as much as possible. I don’t he gets to 26.

 

[WestCoastRam]

The Rams may feel like Dart will be there late in the 1st rd. They may also feel like they’re gonna want to trade down. Could be misdirection to entice a Cleveland or a QB need team that passed in the top 10 for higher graded players to trade back up into the bottom of the 1st. Rams make a deal with them.

Just a contingency thing.

That’s all I got. I don’t see a QB project in the 1st rd for us makes sense. Adding a high 2nd and maybe a 4th makes sense.

I think all this is probably true AND Dart is a prospect they want to gather more info on since so much of what he'll be asked to do in the NFL, he has not shown on tape.

They could spend a lot of time with him and come out with a lower opinion of him afterwards.

I do that all the time on dates.

 

[Merlin]

I think if we take a QB we may be best served to see where guys like McCord, Shough, Howard & Ewers are slotting in and take a flier on one of them, The way our picks align now I think it will take a deal to get it done.

Yes it feels like Dart will be off the board. But McVay made chicken salad out of chicken shit with Cousins. I think he's very good with QBs, his scheme favors them greatly as well, so don't think he needs to have a QB prospect who is a blue chip talent. So if he vibes with any of those dudes and decides that's his desired dev prospect I'm good with it.

McCord or Shough I am sure he could win with. So if they go that route then park him on the depth chart behind Stafford and keep adding to this team to ensure the weapons are there.

Even if they were to take a QB at 26 they would still have options at RB through the rest of the picks. WR is strong round 3. TE is strong round 3. ILB is nice even late as I like Martin. DT is so deep you can find a widebody rotation deep in this draft. So personally I'm hoping Dart falls. Dart shouldn't be going top ten. It's crazy to take a QB who needs a redshirt in the top ten. But then even Cam is a bit of a reach I think for the top pick. He's a good prospect but I think all the options this year are going to be overdrafted to some extent. It's kind of unavoidable and if you hit on the pick it won't matter.

What I'd like to see is only Cam off the board by the time Pittsburgh picks. Then the Rams should have their choice of options minus whoever Pittsburgh takes, and they can get that 5th year of control if they go QB. Really don't care who they take, though I favor Dart, as I have watched everything I can find on Shough and McCord, and a lot of Milroe. Comes down to who if any McVay gets a comfort level with.

 

[PhillyRam]

I think all this is probably true AND Dart is a prospect they want to gather more info on since so much of what he'll be asked to do in the NFL, he has not shown on tape.

They could spend a lot of time with him and come out with a lower opinion of him afterwards.

I do that all the time on dates.

I do that at family functions...

 

[AZRams]

I have been attempting a deep dive into analytic reports on the QB's. Unfortunately I haven't done a good job organizing articles and videos. It is a really interesting year with arguably only 1 tier 1 QB Cam Ward and IMO he is an NFL ready QB that has a lower risk chance to bust for all the reasons that the QB GURU's have pointed out.

When you get to tier 2 Dart & Sanders what I keep hearing is that there is nothing elite, now not to overreact that's not necessarily an indicator tied directly to success, we have way to many examples of QB's like Brady etc that didn't have elite skill ratings coming out.

The caveat is teams do highly value upside and elite traits and are less likely to make moves for a franchise player who doesn't show great upside and ability to be exceptional.

The QB not named ward that has Elite Skill throwing the Ball and keeps coming back and catching my eye is McCord
He learned the Syracuse offense in appx a week after transfer has size and arm strength at arguably an elite level (I will try and find a really good article I read talking about McCord vs the other QB's solely based on analytics)

I think if we take a QB we may be best served to see where guys like McCord, Shough, Howard & Ewers are slotting in and take a flier on one of them, The way our picks align now I think it will take a deal to get it done.

Here are just some numbers for fun and we all know that great QB play comes from between the ears and elite players are usually cerebral and highly skilled. This is why so many teams and F.O''s have lost their jobs & frustrated fan bases

Here are the numbers Galko shared from the East-West Shrine Bowl workouts:

Spiral efficiency​

McCord: 93%



NFL average: 81%

Spin rate​

McCord: 699 RPM average



NFL average: 592 RPM

Velocity​

McCord: 49.4 mph average



NFL average: 44.8 mph

Max. velocity​

McCord: 55.7 mph



NFL average: 52.6 mph

To me these are a grain of salt example but if they were poor it would be a bad sign. Ruling out inadequacy can be as powerful as pointing out strengths.

Dart and Sanders, depending on the landing spot, should be able to win a bunch of games. Beyond that...?

 

[AZRams]

I think all this is probably true AND Dart is a prospect they want to gather more info on since so much of what he'll be asked to do in the NFL, he has not shown on tape.

They could spend a lot of time with him and come out with a lower opinion of him afterwards.

I do that all the time on dates.

Whoa...

 

[dieterbrock]

My take on Dart, if he were to have a year under his belt with McVay/Stafford I'd put him ahead of any QB coming out in '26 draft. Manning forget it, he's either the #1 overall pick or isnt coming out

 

[WestCoastRam]

My take on Dart, if he were to have a year under his belt with McVay/Stafford I'd put him ahead of any QB coming out in '26 draft. Manning forget it, he's either the #1 overall pick or isnt coming out

Those kids haven't even played the 2025 season yet.

This is objectively insane.

 

[Merlin]

Fuck that next year QB shit. I'd like them to take a shot on one in this draft and if they don't like how he performs in-house learning the offense and running the scout team then take another one next year.

Taking one this year doesn't mean you can't take one next year. Unless you hit on the pick, in which case you're in good shape.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Fuck that next year QB shit. I'd like them to take a shot on one in this draft and if they don't like how he performs in-house learning the offense and running the scout team then take another one next year.

Taking one this year doesn't mean you can't take one next year. Unless you hit on the pick, in which case you're in good shape.

Take one sure, at #26, nah fuck that lol

 

[RamFan503]

Take one sure, at #26, nah fuck that lol

If you figure one can be brought up to take over, 26 is a fucking huge bargain.

People keep saying wait until next year. But then who knows if Stafford will decide he’s done after this year and you’re left with overpaying someone like Grabmypole or some other middling veteran.

I say this keeping in mind that we have probably at least as good of a team as last season and probably have actually improved.

We are contenders no matter what they do. Wait another year to grab a QB and you have the real possibility of either having to put him on the field too early or at minimum being a year behind in NFL development.

 

[kmramsfan]

Nah. We're in the WIN NOW mode. Not 4 or 5 years down the road.
And I'm still down with the first 3 picks being the BPA at either TE, CB or LB when we're on the clock.
Let's tighten up this defense a little bit more with a solid draft, and go out and win a couple more Super Bowl Championships while we can.
And ....... FUQ the 9ers.

 

[RamFan503]

Nah. We're in the WIN NOW mode. Not 4 or 5 years down the road.
And I'm still down with the first 3 picks being the BPA at either TE, CB or LB when we're on the clock.
Let's tighten up this defense a little bit more with a solid draft, and go out and win a couple more Super Bowl Championships while we can.
And ....... FUQ the 9ers.

Do that and also grab a QB if he falls to us.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

If you figure one can be brought up to take over, 26 is a fucking huge bargain.

People keep saying wait until next year. But then who knows if Stafford will decide he’s done after this year and you’re left with overpaying someone like Grabmypole or some other middling veteran.

I say this keeping in mind that we have probably at least as good of a team as last season and probably have actually improved.

We are contenders no matter what they do. Wait another year to grab a QB and you have the real possibility of either having to put him on the field too early or at minimum being a year behind in NFL development.

Sorry I just can't go with bypassing players that are projected to be much better for this weak QB class that people keep pumping up. Think it's a disservice to not go best player available since we are closer to winning the Super Bowl than not.

 

[dieterbrock]

Those kids haven't even played the 2025 season yet.

This is objectively insane.

Objectively? Have you seen any of these kids play?
Carson beck? Meh
Sellers? Meh
Iamavela? Meh
It’s like the backup qb is always the favorite player, this idea that next year class is going to be any different than this year.
And I would also include Shough, Milroe, McCord if that is who McVay wanted to build up
Pro QB develop in the NFL, not before it

 

[dieterbrock]

Nah. We're in the WIN NOW mode. Not 4 or 5 years down the road.

Why can’t it be both?
The Rams are in win now mode regardless of who they draft or don’t draft

 

[fanotodd]

I say this keeping in mind that we have probably at least as good of a team as last season and probably have actually improved.

We are contenders no matter what they do.

That is certainly food for thought. On the one hand, the defense was ferocious down the stretch. They were young and scattered in the first half. They will be feared right away. OTOH, nobody can know just what kind of effect losing kupp will be.

Contenders? Who dareth say not! The entire starting OL is back and it would be silly to think they are gonna get as banged up early this year as last. The defense started out with TWhite, Reeder, and Rozeboom. They’re all gone now. Additional by subtraction. Looking at last year’s playoff teams, it seems more likely the lions, vikings, and bucs fall off more than the Rams would be expected to.