Bryce Young Benched. Rams Project?

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Would love to take the gamble if McVay thinks it's worth it. My only issue would be his contract the next couple years as a former #1 overall pick is a lot for a project.
 
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Here's a pallet cleanser from CBS Sports to give you what the thinking was at the time of the draft.
 

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This is going to be a very unpopular opinion.
But I don't believe Mcvay is all that great of a coach in this situation.
I think he's a tremendous coach.
But I truly believe he struggles with developing a QB.

He built an offense around Goff's strengths. And they succeeded.
But the second things went wrong it was Goff's fault ( Jourdan's podcast makes this clear)
Mcvay couldn't figure out the solution. He battered Goff endlessly.
Then he met Stafford.
Stafford was able to tell him the solutions to the problems - with his offense. (In Cancun)

Goff is offloaded and Staff is brought in.

My unpopular opinion is that I don't get why anyone would think Mcvay is a developer of QBs.

He doesn't and hasn't had patience with developing QBs.

The idea that trading for Young might save his career is way off base.

I love Mcvay. Great coach. But I'm not buying into the idea that he's a good QB developer
 
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...man, how could Carolina pick this kid #1 overall?? wasn't even that great in AL in 2022. At 5'-10", he needs to be Russell Wilson or better, for a #1 overall pick -- which Russell was a 3rd round unicorn.
C.J. Stroud, 6'-3" from Ohio State... how can you pick Bryce Young over C.J.?? Did Bryce just have amazing highlights? even if he did, playing college QB & NFL is completely different.
...man, #1 overall pick. Can't be too critical tho, as good as Bradford was, he was a statue in the pocket. Couldn't lead a receiver. Both things I could clearly see (and I'm no football expert by any means) from his OU highlights, where he took all snaps from shotgun & just stood there while his #1 O-line made a wall of stone around him so he could take 8 - 10 s to throw a pass. Was never gonna work in the NFL.
Fast fwd to Goff, and you could see the accuracy & ability to pass, I'd have easily taken him over Wentz.
But, Bryce?? anyone know why?
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He has always been surrounded by talent. As soon as he`s the guy than you see who he is. We are seeing it with Jalen Hurts as well.
 
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McVay has coached 4 starting QBs.

RGIII who with his Dad was on the way out. And he coached up a nobody in Cousins who is on record that McVay was instrumental in him being a starter.

Goff, who was routinely shit on when McVay came in. Who he coached to a Super Bowl prior to Goff's confidence eroding.

And Stafford, who was questioned in the media re: whether he was good enough to win a playoff game. He did in fact win that playoff game, and put together one of the most impressive postseason runs by a QB in history, with zero run game to back him up.

So. To criticize McVay the best approach is to start with the fact that his inability to consistently balance his offense puts inordinate pressure on passers. He gets the most from them, but I suspect wears them down mentally. Of course Stafford suffered so long under poor coaches that he probably still appreciates the offense and calls in spite of all that.
 
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A.J. Hicks said:
This is going to be a very unpopular opinion.
But I don't believe Mcvay is all that great of a coach in this situation.
I think he's a tremendous coach.
But I truly believe he struggles with developing a QB.

He built an offense around Goff's strengths. And they succeeded.
But the second things went wrong it was Goff's fault ( Jourdan's podcast makes this clear)
Mcvay couldn't figure out the solution. He battered Goff endlessly.
Then he met Stafford.
Stafford was able to tell him the solutions to the problems - with his offense. (In Cancun)

Goff is offloaded and Staff is brought in.

My unpopular opinion is that I don't get why anyone would think Mcvay is a developer of QBs.

He doesn't and hasn't had patience with developing QBs.

The idea that trading for Young might save his career is way off base.

I love Mcvay. Great coach. But I'm not buying into the idea that he's a good QB developer
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You may be completely correct and I'm not arguing against your points; however, I think it boils down to something much more simple–anticipation and processing speed. Stafford has it; Goff doesn't.

Obviously Goff does have it to some extent, but he is a color by the numbers type of guy. The 1st game of the season was a perfect example. In the 4th quarter Goff was being pressured and his receivers were being covered. He hurried throws and made mental mistakes that–if not for the grace of the football gods–could have completely given the game away. Credit to Dan Quinn for recognizing this in overtime and simply running the ball. He built his team to be able to win even when Goff is being Goff.

In the 4th and under a makeshift O-line, Stafford played near perfectly and gave us a coin flip chance at a win.

Stafford's brain has that next level processing speed. It makes the game seem slower to him than it does to someone like Goff. Someone either has it or doesn't. This is what separates the great from the truly elite. It's why so many people have all the arm talent in the world but never did a single noteworthy thing on an NFL field.
 
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Merlin said:
McVay has coached 4 starting QBs.

RGIII who with his Dad was on the way out. And he coached up a nobody in Cousins who is on record that McVay was instrumental in him being a starter.

Goff, who was routinely shit on when McVay came in. Who he coached to a Super Bowl prior to Goff's confidence eroding.

And Stafford, who was questioned in the media re: whether he was good enough to win a playoff game. He did in fact win that playoff game, and put together one of the most impressive postseason runs by a QB in history, with zero run game to back him up.

So. To criticize McVay the best approach is to start with the fact that his inability to consistently balance his offense puts inordinate pressure on passers. He gets the most from them, but I suspect wears them down mentally. Of course Stafford suffered so long under poor coaches that he probably still appreciates the offense and calls in spite of all that.
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This is next level insight and analysis; the exact reason I love this board.
 
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25 yrs ago Bryce Young would have been a 7th rd pick just due to his size. Teams nowadays were starting to think that overall size doesn’t matter much due to a few exceptions like Russ and maybe Baker...but I still can't think of many 6ft or less guys. And the two I mentioned are built like 6-4" guys who are just sawed off. In other words, big framed players.

Young & Bennett look like HS sized QBs who you hope can fill out and grow another inch or so, but at this stage of their careers they simply are too small to last in the NFL other than as a short-term back up
 
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