Jalen Ramsey watch party

[Allen2McVay]

Any chance they would trade Atwell for Ramsey... straight up?
...
Just a thought.

If Adams and Nacua can each play a full seventeen-game schedule. I am thrilled with the Rams' WRs.

I like Atwell and Whittington; and have hope for Mumpfield and ... maybe ... one of the undrafted free agents.

However, if Nacua (plays wide receiver like a fullback) or Adams (12th season / 33 in December) go down, the WR-position becomes razor-thin, in my opinion ... even if the Rams use more 12-personnel.

 

[dieterbrock]

I for one will be pissed if the Rams give up more than a 3rd round pick for Ramsey, they may be just fine without him. They need the two first round picks next season to acquire their QB of the future.

I think you'll see a team either trade a 3rd round pick and Miami picks up 10+ mill of salary or a team takes most/all of the salary and does a pick swap, like send a 5th for Ramsey and a 6th

 

[gogoat1]

Run what we brung.
The way the Rams draft these days, I do not want to give up ANY picks.
Kinda glad the F them picks days seem to be over.

 

[dieterbrock]

Kinda glad the F them picks days seem to be over.

Who says they are?
McVay has only drafted in the 1st round 1 time in his 9 years and traded out of round 1 this year
I dont think its over at all, I just dont think there's been a player they wanted who they had to empty the coffers for

 

[gogoat1]

Who says they are?
McVay has only drafted in the 1st round 1 time in his 9 years and traded out of round 1 this year
I dont think its over at all, I just dont think there's been a player they wanted who they had to empty the coffers for

"seems"
We just had our first, 1st round draft pick in a LONG time.
And ended up with the Defensive Rookie of the Year.
Draft
Draft
Draft
We were not "trading" picks to try and replace Donald. And he was not replaced. BUT, Verse had about the same impact Donald did his rookie year. Maybe more. That Fisk guy was pretty good too, and yes we did give up a 2nd to get him.
It was not worth what we gave up for JR. Pay a huge long lasting price to pay just to rent him for a couple years, then dump him. If you are going to do that run the wheels off of.
Makes no sense to kick him to the curb, then give real draft capitol to get him back................AND pay that huge salary.
We could have had a stud OT with one of those 1st that JR cost us. Could have had 2 players entering their primes right now and maybe both for less money than JR together.
We won that Super Bowl. But JR was not the key to winning it.
The single best thing to smart owners, GMs and coaches building a long lasting winning team is the NFL Draft. Hoard picks and use them wisely.

 

[dieterbrock]

"seems"
We just had our first, 1st round draft pick in a LONG time.
And ended up with the Defensive Rookie of the Year.
Draft
Draft
Draft
We were not "trading" picks to try and replace Donald. And he was not replaced. BUT, Verse had about the same impact Donald did his rookie year. Maybe more. That Fisk guy was pretty good too, and yes we did give up a 2nd to get him.
It was not worth what we gave up for JR. Pay a huge long lasting price to pay just to rent him for a couple years, then dump him. If you are going to do that run the wheels off of.
Makes no sense to kick him to the curb, then give real draft capitol to get him back................AND pay that huge salary.
We could have had a stud OT with one of those 1st that JR cost us. Could have had 2 players entering their primes right now and maybe both for less money than JR together.
We won that Super Bowl. But JR was not the key to winning it.
The single best thing to smart owners, GMs and coaches building a long lasting winning team is the NFL Draft. Hoard picks and use them wisely.

That was last year, this year? Traded away the 1st round pick. And yeah, Fiske was a bit of the eff them picks mentality
And, the Rams apparently were looking to move up in last year's draft, lord know what they were willing to spend
So, the mentality is absolutely still there, the Rams just dont see the player worth making the moves for
Ramsey was absolutely worth it unless SB's dont matter

 

[Allen2McVay]

We could have had a stud OT with one of those 1st that JR cost us.

Sure there were talented players on-the-board but not OTs.

I just took a look at the 2020 and 2021 Drafts (the two #1s the Rams traded for Ramsey were in those Drafts); and the best Offensive Tackles selected with the 25 picks after the Jacksonville selections turned-out to be Liam Eichenberg and Walker Little, with a lot of disappointments thrown-in.

I prefer Alaric Jackson to Eichenberg or Little. Don't you?

 

[fanotodd]

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Is the secondary really all that bad?

I hear what you’re saying when you ask just how bad we are because the defense was shutting down teams left and right the back half of the season and into the playoffs, but let’s not forget how ferocious that pass rush became. A top tier defensive front can provide a lotta help for an average secondary.

For me, the concern is the age of our starters (DW and Spoon). Is this the year when their wheels lose a gear? It’s coming sooner rather than later. Especially DW, who looked worse down the stretch last year than I had originally thought. Upon rewatching some of last season, I was surprised at how rough it went for him.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I hear what you’re saying when you ask just how bad we are because the defense was shutting down teams left and right the back half of the season and into the playoffs, but let’s not forget how ferocious that pass rush became. A top tier defensive front can provide a lotta help for an average secondary.

For me, the concern is the age of our starters (DW and Spoon). Is this the year when their wheels lose a gear? It’s coming sooner rather than later. Especially DW, who looked worse down the stretch last year than I had originally thought. Upon rewatching some of last season, I was surprised at how rough it went for him.

There were changes to the scheme with Shula as the new DC. So it took some time for the defense to gel. Plus they tried a few options at Star before settling on Lake. They also started with a LBer wearing the green dot. And they had to bring Kinchens and Speight along slowly. Plus they had a few other young guys getting snaps
So it was an evolving process. The defense getting better as the season went on gives me hope that they can be good right out of the gate.

At the end of the season on one of the Between the horns episodes, DeMarco was praising the play of Darius Williams. He said he’s always where he’s supposed to be.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

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I just watched the press conference and it sounded like Ramsey is still a possibility.

 

[gogoat1]

Sure there were talented players on-the-board but not OTs.

I just took a look at the 2020 and 2021 Drafts (the two #1s the Rams traded for Ramsey were in those Drafts); and the best Offensive Tackles selected with the 25 picks after the Jacksonville selections turned-out to be Liam Eichenberg and Walker Little, with a lot of disappointments thrown-in.

I prefer Alaric Jackson to Eichenberg or Little. Don't you?

Sure, it was just a position I chose. Still, plenty of other positions where we could have had you young, quality player in their prime as Rams.
If you give up two 1sts it had better be for a quarterback who plays a decade with your team.
Not some cornerback who ends up being a short term rental.
If we want JR that bad, we should have just kept him.

 

[gogoat1]

Myself, I am still waiting for McSnead to spend multiple high picks on the O line. Its kind of a Rams tradition, as well as great running backs. You can not teach 6'7" 340lbers with long arms and ballerina feet.
You can find skill players in the mid-high rounds and develop them.
I think once we get our rookie QB the high Oline picks will come. Let them develop together.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Sure, it was just a position I chose. Still, plenty of other positions where we could have had you young, quality player in their prime as Rams.
If you give up two 1sts it had better be for a quarterback who plays a decade with your team.
Not some cornerback who ends up being a short term rental.
If we want JR that bad, we should have just kept him.

This is a legit take but another is that an All Pro CB in his prime is worth two first round picks in the 20's.

It's not a given that the Rams would have drafted well with those picks.

The Jaguars came away with Edge K'Lavon Chaisson, who has 10 career sacks with four teams, over six years; and RB Travis Etienne who has been average-to-good.

 

[dieterbrock]

If you give up two 1sts it had better be for a quarterback who plays a decade with your team.

So you dont approve of the Stafford trade either?

 

[gogoat1]

This is a legit take but another is that an All Pro CB in his prime is worth two first round picks in the 20's.

It's not a given that the Rams would have drafted well with those picks.

The Jaguars came away with Edge K'Lavon Chaisson, who has 10 career sacks with four teams, over six years; and RB Travis Etienne who has been average-to-good.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree.
I am all about the draft. What could be better, you get to pick the players you want ? If you do it better than everyone else you will be at-near the top of the NFL year in and year and year out.
The Rams of 2024 and beyond seem to be very, very good at drafting and I could not be happier about it.
There is nothing saying we could not have won that Super Bowl with Goff and no JR.
The big tell will be when Stafford retires and what Goff does beyond that. Chances are he wins a SB, maybe more than one.

 

[gogoat1]

So you dont approve of the Stafford trade either?

I am not going there with you. Its your deal to suck people into these back and fourths with your point being you are right and they are wrong.
We can.............................. nope.

 

[dieterbrock]

I am not going there with you. Its your deal to suck people into these back and fourths with your point being you are right and they are wrong.
We can.............................. nope.

Back and forths? Its called conversation. Im just trying to understand your point because you keep changing it.
No worries

 

[Allen2McVay]

We are just going to have to agree to disagree.
I am all about the draft. What could be better, you get to pick the players you want ? If you do it better than everyone else you will be at-near the top of the NFL year in and year and year out.
The Rams of 2024 and beyond seem to be very, very good at drafting and I could not be happier about it.
There is nothing saying we could not have won that Super Bowl with Goff and no JR.
The big tell will be when Stafford retires and what Goff does beyond that. Chances are he wins a SB, maybe more than one.

Again, mostly reasonable points ... but a little negative, given that the 2021 Rams did win the Lombardi.

Overall, where we disagree (and that's OK) is that I think you are taking it for granted that the Rams would have made excellent selections ... whereas, I think it's much more difficult to get it right.

Here's one example. That 2020 Draft.
Jacksonville had the Rams pick at #20 and took K'Lavon Chaisson ... a huge miss. The next two picks were both Wide Receivers ... at #21, Philadelphia selected Jalen Reagor (an absolute bust) ... then, at #22, Minnesota took Justin Jefferson (a GREAT pick).

Think about that. The Eagles, with perhaps the Best General Manager in the entire NFL, in Howie Roseman, said ... "Hey, lets take Reagor over that bum Jefferson". Jalen Reagor has 86 career receptions in six seasons.

The Vikings' Decision-Makers (GM Rick Spielman and HC Mike Zimmer), who nailed the Jefferson pick, were both fired in less than two years.

It just ain't that easy to draft well.

 

[RamBradford85]

I just watched the press conference and it sounded like Ramsey is still a possibility.

Hope not me personally don’t want him

 

[Ramstien]

Hope not me personally don’t want him

May I ask what other move the Rams could make at this point to improve the backend of this defense? Unless of course, you believe the backend of the defense is good enough to compete for a championship.