Jalen Ramsey watch party

[Ramstien]

I for one will be pissed if the Rams give up more than a 3rd round pick for Ramsey, they may be just fine without him. They need the two first round picks next season to acquire their QB of the future.

 

[RamFan503]

LMFAO !! Are you FREAKING KIDDING??? I’ll agree with what you SAID, but his worth & what THE RAMS would trade for him.

WTH? Easy there cowboy.

 

[RamFan503]

No money to us, for us it's just an accounting thing it lowered his dead cap hit for us by that amount.

So that gives us more room under the cap - therefore, more money to spend on player salaries.

That’s pretty much what I was originally getting at.

So the same COULD be true for Ramsey depending on the structure of his contract.

 

[dieterbrock]

As for me, I would "trade" for Ramsey if the Dolphins picked up at least $15M of his salary and they only wanted a 6th round pick, but I can understand why some people might think he was worth a 3rd rounder. A first rounder or second rounder would be robbery.

That's kind of a silly proposition. The more money Miami kicks in, the better the draft pick in return. Heck, if a team were willing to take the full freight of Ramsey's deal in '25, he could probably be had for a 6th rounder and Miami might even include a 5th or 6th rounder with him.
If Miami is paying 15 mill? Then a 1st to 3rd round comp is not out of the question as there is no guaranteed money left on the deal

 

[RamFan503]

That's kind of a silly proposition. The more money Miami kicks in, the better the draft pick in return. Heck, if a team were willing to take the full freight of Ramsey's deal in '25, he could probably be had for a 6th rounder and Miami might even include a 5th or 6th rounder with him.
If Miami is paying 15 mill? Then a 1st to 3rd round comp is not out of the question as there is no guaranteed money left on the deal

And at that point I’d have to think the Rams are out. But what I don’t get is that it’s fine for the Rams to eat $22mil on Kupp but NOT for the fins to eat less than that on Ramsey by cutting him.

 

[dieterbrock]

So that gives us more room under the cap - therefore, more money to spend on player salaries.

That’s pretty much what I was originally getting at.

So the same COULD be true for Ramsey depending on the structure of his contract.

The Kupp and Ramsey situation is apples to oranges
The Rams could work around dead cap with a player they are releasing. At first Kupp was going to be a June 1 cut, pushing dead money in to '26. What I beleive happened was when they took the entire hit in '25 they didnt have to pay out a roster bonus. Seattle played no part in the Rams accounting.
With Ramsey it's simple. He has 21 mill guaranteed coming his way for '25, plus another 1-3 mill in incentives

 

[dieterbrock]

And at that point I’d have to think the Rams are out. But what I don’t get is that it’s fine for the Rams to eat $22mil on Kupp but NOT for the fins to eat less than that on Ramsey by cutting him.

If Miami cuts Ramsey, they eat 49 mill. Ramsey just signed an extension last year that has 7 years left on it (3 of which are void years) where they are "writing off" that 49 mill in a yearly pro-rate. All comes due when the player is released.
Kupp only had 2 years left on his deal

 

[RamFan503]

If Miami cuts Ramsey, they eat 49 mill. Ramsey just signed an extension last year that has 7 years left on it (3 of which are void years) where they are "writing off" that 49 mill in a yearly pro-rate. All comes due when the player is released.
Kupp only had 2 years left on his deal

We’ll see. Virtually every time I see someone say a team can’t do something with a contract, they figure out a way.

 

[OldSchool]

So that gives us more room under the cap - therefore, more money to spend on player salaries.

That’s pretty much what I was originally getting at.

So the same COULD be true for Ramsey depending on the structure of his contract.

Yeah i was referring to cash money ies. No change with that just on the cap like you said.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Just curious, do you have a sense for what's going on at SI? Used to be a great weekly magazine with terrific writers.

Now I tend to see poorly written stuff that looks like it could be spit out by AI. And the "writers" often seem to be no-names who are fresh out of school.

Is SI pretty close to dead....?

I'm not exactly sure but it's similar to other mags and stuff I think, Time inc sold back in the day in the face of declining rev and subscriptions and then I think it's been owned by a couple groups that kinda strip mined it. Basically no investment in product and no good strategy to pivot with digital and they just extracted cash while the product declined, eventually the decline became so rapid they began cutting staff hard.

Now I would imagine they have unpaid and barely paid writers (and definitely AI), barely any stewardship and editorial oversight and a few legacy names like Breer that drive what little traffic they have. Maybe they sell a phone to a yokel in bumf*ck Georgia once a year.

The sports journalism space in general has been decimated. Athletic had a workable model but that wouldn't have probably lasted without being bought by NYT. And regardless of what people think of NYT, they have done a masterful job pivoting into a sustainable model going forward by adding the Athletic, games, expanding food reviews and recipes and focusing on product reviews.

 

[Loyal]

Ramsey is not the missing piece for a SB run. He’s no longer a great CB, blows coverages regularly and is always pointing fingers at someone else.

Fuck no to that contract, maybe ok if he moved to safety but do the Rams need him there?

c'mon shipmate, get on the Ramsey bandwagon! If you do, there may be a free trip to Subic Bay in it for you that @Merlin is organizing....

 

[dieterbrock]

We’ll see. Virtually every time I see someone say a team can’t do something with a contract, they figure out a way.

Yup, they've got options

1- Make him play out his contract and deal with the consequences.
2- Keep him on team and trade him at the deadline
3- Give him a Myles Garrett "I changed my mind on wanting out" pay bump, then dump him next year
4- Cut him and take 30 mill dead cap hit +18.5 mill dead cap next year

The likely scenario
Trade him and take 10.7 dead cap hit + whatever salary they need to kick in +18.5 mill dead cap next year. If they pick up 5-6 mill its basically a break even on his cap number for '25. More than that much salary relief to the trade team is where the water gets muddy

 

[So Ram]

Don't laugh too hard--you'll give yourself a heart attack.

Kidding you about what? Maybe you didn't have enough ink left in your pen to explain, which is fine. You imply that it was at the end of my post where I said, "As for me, I would "trade" for Ramsey if the Dolphins picked up at least $15M of his salary and they only wanted a 6th round pick, but I can understand why some people might think he was worth a 3rd rounder. A first rounder or second rounder would be robbery." I stand by that, and I don't see what's so funny or how I "fell off the deep end" about it.

I guess that means you think the Rams are going to pony up a much higher pick, such as the second first-rounder the Rams are going to have next season. They might do that, but I wouldn't do it, and I doubt that the Rams would be that dumb. The Fins gave the Rams a third-rounder two years ago, so no way the Rams give them a first or second rounder back.

McVay said nothing clear or concrete about acquiring Ramsey today--despite being egged on by the reporter. "Obviously, we love Jalen--we know Jalen intimately. There would be some things that we would be able to do if that was going to be a direction that we went. We certainly haven't closed the door on that, but there hasn't been a whole lot of dialog as of late in regards to some of the communications, but we'll see if that changes..."

In other words, even though most of the media is cheering this on, McVay seems to doubt it. Of course, he could be feigning a lack of interest in order to get a better deal from the Fins.

He didn't say anything about extending the CBs on the current roster--which you mentioned, but he did make a point to mention that Emmanuel Forbes Jr. --the former #1 the Rams got on waivers from Washington near the end of 2024--had made a play in practice today.

Well I’ll say I don’t see Ramsey becoming a Ram. Mcvay just said they aren’t in any discussions as of now.Weather that happens or not,I’d say Miami will have to cut him IMO ?

The Rams draft Bryon Young for Jalen Ramsey & also got Hunter Long who was playing well at the end of the season.

I like The Rams CB’s Ahkello is SO underrated.D. Williams is a stud & Durant has played well.

 

[So Ram]

WTH? Easy there cowboy.

The Rams made out on there trade with Miami.There was a reason they traded him as well.Can’t see The Rams trading back with Miami for Ramsey.IMO it doesn’t make much sense.
Sorry I get a little harsh,but I did agree with parts of his post.The value & money is the concern.

 

[PhillyRam]

Any chance they would trade Atwell for Ramsey... straight up?

Guessing cap-wise Miami wouldn't do it, unless they work out a new deal for Atwell to lower his cap hit this year. Ramsey's dead cap hit and Atwell's $10M salary is probably a deal killer. They love speed down there though.

Not sure the Rams would do it unless they like what Whittington is doing in camp, and if Mumpfield, Smith, and maybe Edwards can step up in the rotation.

Just a thought.

 

[OldSchool]

Any chance they would trade Atwell for Ramsey... straight up?

Guessing cap-wise Miami wouldn't do it, unless they work out a new deal for Atwell to lower his cap hit this year. Ramsey's dead cap hit and Atwell's $10M salary is probably a deal killer. They love speed down there though.

Not sure the Rams would do it unless they like what Whittington is doing in camp, and if Mumpfield, Smith, and maybe Edwards can step up in the rotation.

Just a thought.

If we were to trade Atwell the new team only takes on his $5 million base salary. We've already paid and accounted for the signing bonus.

 

[Ramstien]

Never thought of it but this would be a good move for the Rams, in my opinion.

 

[dieterbrock]

Any chance they would trade Atwell for Ramsey... straight up?

Guessing cap-wise Miami wouldn't do it, unless they work out a new deal for Atwell to lower his cap hit this year. Ramsey's dead cap hit and Atwell's $10M salary is probably a deal killer. They love speed down there though.

Not sure the Rams would do it unless they like what Whittington is doing in camp, and if Mumpfield, Smith, and maybe Edwards can step up in the rotation.

Just a thought.

And pay Ramsey the 21-25 mill? The Rams already have 5 mill on the cap for Atwell, so in effect Ramsey would cost the sum of his $$ 21-25 + the 5 mill for Atwell.

 

[PhillyRam]

And pay Ramsey the 21-25 mill? The Rams already have 5 mill on the cap for Atwell, so in effect Ramsey would cost the sum of his $$ 21-25 + the 5 mill for Atwell.

Also saves $5M they would pay him. Not saying they should or would do it, but if the young guys have impressed them, it could be a way of getting Ramsey without using draft capital.

They are already down a 4th next year, so would hate to see them lose another mid rounder. It would take a little luster off having two firsts next year, but then not much after that. Especially if they burn a first on a QB that sits for a year. Would be another light draft in regards to immediate help.

 

[dieterbrock]

Also saves $5M they would pay him. Not saying they should or would do it, but if the young guys have impressed them, it could be a way of getting Ramsey without using draft capital.

They are already down a 4th next year, so would hate to see them lose another mid rounder. It would take a little luster off having two firsts next year, but then not much after that. Especially if they burn a first on a QB that sits for a year. Would be another light draft in regards to immediate help.

Paying him 5 mill to be a trade chip is a pretty absurd idea. And again, in that scenario you're ok with paying Ramsey 21-25 mill?
In any event, Miami is going to be taking a huge dead cap hit in any trade so it's pretty unlikely they would be taking on additional salary as well. Certainly will be for draft compensation