Jalen Ramsey watch party

[dieterbrock]

Maybe @Allen2McVay can help me out here.
We know that if Miami releases or trades Ramsey, the dead money is accelerated. Boom, Miami takes a hit.
What I am curious about is the rest of the contract and Void years? Does everything stay in place with only the money Miami paid out removed? In simplest terms, do the void years remain?
As it stands to the team that trades for Ramsey, they pay him the 2025 salary 1.25 mill, and his option bonus 19 mill, and are on the hook for the contract escalators that could be another 1-3 mill, total comp for 2025 21-25 mill
But what is the cap hit? The contract has 4 years and 3 void years left, no guaranteed money after '25
If the 19 mill "bonus" is spread over the 4 contract years, its a hit between 4-5 mill, over the 7, 2-3 mill
If correct, the team who trades for him (without Miami paying any salary) is only looking at a '25 cap hit of 3-7 mill for Ramsey

If by chance my understanding is remotely close, then I can see how Ramsey can be a hot commodity on the trade market, starting tomorrow......

 

[Allen2McVay]

Maybe @Allen2McVay can help me out here.
We know that if Miami releases or trades Ramsey, the dead money is accelerated. Boom, Miami takes a hit.
What I am curious about is the rest of the contract and Void years? Does everything stay in place with only the money Miami paid out removed? In simplest terms, do the void years remain?

You think I don't know? Do you think I'm like Fredo Corleone?

The Answer is obviously ... Umm ... Damn It! Maybe I am like Fredo.

Seriously, I don't know for sure.
I follow the cap because I think it's a real factor and important to consider but is often not considered. However, there is much about the salary cap that I am not certain about.

You know, Fredo had some things going for him. Remember what Moe Green said about Fredo ...

 

[dieterbrock]

You think I don't know? Do you think I'm like Fredo Corleone?
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The Answer is obviously ... Umm ... Damn It! Maybe I am like Fredo.

Seriously, I follow the cap because I think it's real and important; and too often not considered. However, there is much about the salary cap that I am not certain about.

You know, Fredo had some things going for him. Remember what Moe Green said about Fredo ...
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Ok, maybe it's Hail Mary time for you Fredo

 

[gogoat1]

Again, mostly reasonable points ... but a little negative, given that the 2021 Rams did win the Lombardi.

Overall, where we disagree (and that's OK) is that I think you are taking it for granted that the Rams would have made excellent selections ... whereas, I think it's much more difficult to get it right.

Here's one example. That 2020 Draft.
Jacksonville had the Rams pick at #20 and took K'Lavon Chaisson ... a huge miss. The next two picks were both Wide Receivers ... at #21, Philadelphia selected Jalen Reagor (an absolute bust) ... then, at #22, Minnesota took Justin Jefferson (a GREAT pick).

Think about that. The Eagles, with perhaps the Best General Manager in the entire NFL, in Howie Roseman, said ... "Hey, lets take Reagor over that bum Jefferson". Jalen Reagor has 86 career receptions in six seasons.

The Vikings' Decision-Makers (GM Rick Spielman and HC Mike Zimmer), who nailed the Jefferson pick, were both fired in less than two years.

It just ain't that easy to draft well.

That "bust" deal right there IMO is exactly why the Rams have went away from measurables as the main thing kids get drafted by. The last few years they draft full grown men. Players a little older with special attention to players who started out at smaller schools and worked their way up to big time programs. Doing that shows McSnead the players have the intestinal fortitude to do what it takes to succeed in the NFL.
At least a much higher chance of it.
Eagles with the best GM ? Nah, we have him. The Eagles did not change the NFL with their coach having this giant coaching tree.
We did.
I do like the fact the Eagles have this beast of a O line. The Rams have built their own beast D line and I am waiting for the same thing to happen to the O line.
It hard for me to even imagine the Rams picking a high level bust these days.
I want draft picks and let the Rams do what they do.

 

[Allen2McVay]

That "bust" deal right there IMO is exactly why the Rams have went away from measurables as the main thing kids get drafted by. The last few years they draft full grown men. Players a little older with special attention to players who started out at smaller schools and worked their way up to big time programs. Doing that shows McSnead the players have the intestinal fortitude to do what it takes to succeed in the NFL.
At least a much higher chance of it.
Eagles with the best GM ? Nah, we have him. The Eagles did not change the NFL with their coach having this giant coaching tree.
We did.
I do like the fact the Eagles have this beast of a O line. The Rams have built their own beast D line and I am waiting for the same thing to happen to the O line.
It hard for me to even imagine the Rams picking a high level bust these days.
I want draft picks and let the Rams do what they do.

As I previously posted ...

"Overall, where we disagree (and that's OK) is that I think you are taking it for granted that the Rams would have made (will make) excellent selections ... whereas, I think it's much more difficult to get it right."

 

[Flipper]

Maybe @Allen2McVay can help me out here.
We know that if Miami releases or trades Ramsey, the dead money is accelerated. Boom, Miami takes a hit.
What I am curious about is the rest of the contract and Void years? Does everything stay in place with only the money Miami paid out removed? In simplest terms, do the void years remain?
As it stands to the team that trades for Ramsey, they pay him the 2025 salary 1.25 mill, and his option bonus 19 mill, and are on the hook for the contract escalators that could be another 1-3 mill, total comp for 2025 21-25 mill
But what is the cap hit? The contract has 4 years and 3 void years left, no guaranteed money after '25
If the 19 mill "bonus" is spread over the 4 contract years, its a hit between 4-5 mill, over the 7, 2-3 mill
If correct, the team who trades for him (without Miami paying any salary) is only looking at a '25 cap hit of 3-7 mill for Ramsey

If by chance my understanding is remotely close, then I can see how Ramsey can be a hot commodity on the trade market, starting tomorrow......

Yes, I think the cap hit for Ramsey would be about $5.1M for a new team in 2025. But you have to do a little speculation and hypothesizing. Why did the relationship with Miami fall apart to the point they mutually agreed to part ways?

my guess: contract.

Ramsey wanted more guaranteed money in future years and Miami thought, no, you are aging and your play is not at the $23M/year level, so we’ll probably cut you next year (unsaid). If this is what happened, he would probably want the same with a new team. and that would be a bad idea for the Rams, I think.

maybe not. I expect we’ll find out soon enough.

(also, yes, the cap hit is not too bad, but just like with Noteboom and others, that prorated $15M would come back next year as dead cap if they only kept him for a year and it is also real cash the team has to spend.)

 

[Neil039]

This is one of those rumors/stories that I hope ends well for the Rams. The Rams could definitely use him, along with other teams that I think are complete s***.

All players/agents call for more money. Reality will be if someone offers so much that he wants that over winning.

 

[RamBall]

All players/agents call for more money. Reality will be if someone offers so much that he wants that over winning.

Isn't that how he ended up in Miami? Even if he is cut and signs with the Rams for reasonable $ and a ring. He will want to chase the $ again. I just dont trust him to commit to winning over $.

 

[Flatlyner]

There is a real chance we find out tomorrow where he plays.

Hoping: Rams
Will despise him for the rest of his time above ground: Whiners

 

[gogoat1]

As I previously posted ...

"Overall, where we disagree (and that's OK) is that I think you are taking it for granted that the Rams would have made (will make) excellent selections ... whereas, I think it's much more difficult to get it right."

I am not taking anything for granted.
I am saying I would rather take my chances with Snead and McVay making the picks from here on out than overpay for any vet with valuable draft picks. Use the picks ourselves.
BTW, its never good to try and tell others what they think.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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[Allen2McVay]

...
BTW, its never good to try and tell others what they think.

You are upset and a little offended ... or, it could be gas.

 

[dieterbrock]

There is a real chance we find out tomorrow where he plays.

Hoping: Rams
Will despise him for the rest of his time above ground: Whiners

I imagine things would heat up rather quickly, Miami will "save" 6 mill in cap space, and the team who trades for him commits to about 3-6 mill of cap space depending on how they prorate his 19 mill bonus
The detail is in how both teams forsee the impact of '26 and beyond
Miami takes a dead cap hit of 18.5 in '26 and the trading team has a big decision to make
I think a 3rd or 4th round pick gets it done

 

[Merlin]

Any chance they would trade Atwell for Ramsey... straight up?

I like the suggestion but I doubt Atwell is remotely enough to get Ramsey. This is because Ramsey is a player you know will play most snaps for your defense. Whereas Atwell's a fruit topping for your offensive cake. He's a tantalizing hors d'oeuvres for the skinny pants clad and excessively mustacioed among us, who will circle the room many times during the game and all to often be passed over for a sandwich. And not a real sandwich btw. But rather the type that is cut in fours and without the edges just the way @Loyal likes momma to make 'em. The type with a toothpick stuck in it.

Now it could be argued that the Miami coach is among the aforementioned. So he may like the idea of adding Atwell but would probably require pick compensation on top of that, depending of course to what extent the Rams take on contract.

But I would love to see Atwell moved as part of the Ramsey acquisition, if we do that. And I don't think we would miss him. In fact I think Whit is going to own that WR3 role. And if we're lucky Mumpy bumps Tutu too. How's that for a tongue twister.

 

[PhillyRam]

I imagine things would heat up rather quickly, Miami will "save" 6 mill in cap space, and the team who trades for him commits to about 3-6 mill of cap space depending on how they prorate his 19 mill bonus
The detail is in how both teams forsee the impact of '26 and beyond
Miami takes a dead cap hit of 18.5 in '26 and the trading team has a big decision to make
I think a 3rd or 4th round pick gets it done

It could be for a 27' pick...especially if it's a 3rd. I doubt the Rams move a 3rd in 26', when they already traded their 4th. Maybe if they trade a 3rd and got a 5th back.

 

[fanotodd]

If the Rams didn’t want to pay the $$ to keep him after the ‘22 season, why would they want to pay him all that $$ to have him now?

Nobody believes ramsey was traded for Hunter Long, do they? Clearly it was a salary dump from a player whose ability was headed towards its biggest challenge—30 years old.

Unless he is released, this isn’t really a discussion, is it?

 

[So Ram]

If the Rams didn’t want to pay the $$ to keep him after the ‘22 season, why would they want to pay him all that $$ to have him now?

Nobody believes ramsey was traded for Hunter Long, do they? Clearly it was a salary dump from a player whose ability was headed towards its biggest challenge—30 years old.

Unless he is released, this isn’t really a discussion, is it?

Well you still made the perfect pitch,except you left Byron Young out of it.

For any Ram Fan think that was a bad trade ? I’d say YOUNG is a 1st Rd quality.I told my Bears buddy’s after the 2023 Draft that The Rams got The Best Player from The Vols!

The Rams are going to have a hard enough time to keep The CB’s they have on the roster now.Said it before the 2025 Draft.The Rams cut Tomlinson.I wonder what Oldschool thought about him at any point ? He was always to Small IMO.That’s why when The Rams traded up to draft Tavon Austin.Traded up for J’Joyner & picking Tutu (2nd rd) SO early the value isn’t there.
The NFL is a Man’s game!!! IMO the Dolphins made a couple mistakes.T. Hill is the example against my point,but Tua is the example.The extended him as well.
- Ramsey was an excellent trade in both regards as it ended up.In 2019 he almost helped The Rams to The Playoffs & maybe Super Bowl imo.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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Has he been cut yet? No?

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[sloramfan]

i really will be surprised if he is signed by the rams...

go rams

slo

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If the Rams didn’t want to pay the $$ to keep him after the ‘22 season, why would they want to pay him all that $$ to have him now?

Nobody believes ramsey was traded for Hunter Long, do they? Clearly it was a salary dump from a player whose ability was headed towards its biggest challenge—30 years old.

Unless he is released, this isn’t really a discussion, is it?

Did the Rams not want to pay him or were the Rams too tight against the cap?

I believe it was the latter. McVay once said if they hadn’t signed a few free agents (that didn’t pan out) they could have kept Ramsey.
That sounds like he would have liked to keep him.