Goff Question

[Tano]

Well I guess this didn't work

And then I do this

 

[oldnotdead]

The Patriots removed our run game in the same way Fangio had and Goff couldn't overcome that

I beg to differ with you on that. IMO that's not on Goff that's on McVay. McVay has admitted he was outcoached because he didn't have answers for what the Pats were doing. We saw repeatedly during Goff's tenure in LA that McVay kept reigning him in. Goff wasn't given the reigns to the horses. McVay locked each play in by being in Goff's ear until the last 15 seconds. Even when Goff wanted to change the play he couldn't because he didn't have enough time. So he went with the play McVay called, good or bad. So IMO the SB loss is on McVay not Goff.

 

[dieterbrock]

Oh man, the SB 53 debates again?
I sure wish we'd win a Lombardi one of these days so we can finally get past this.
Oh, wait a minute...

 

[oldnotdead]

What you don't like history?

 

[Merlin]

I beg to differ with you on that. IMO that's not on Goff that's on McVay. McVay has admitted he was outcoached because he didn't have answers for what the Pats were doing. We saw repeatedly during Goff's tenure in LA that McVay kept reigning him in. Goff wasn't given the reigns to the horses. McVay locked each play in by being in Goff's ear until the last 15 seconds. Even when Goff wanted to change the play he couldn't because he didn't have enough time. So he went with the play McVay called, good or bad. So IMO the SB loss is on McVay not Goff.

Both can be true. Goff could not make the Pats pay. And McVay did not foresee the 6-1 being used.

CJ Anderson--who had helped the offense triumph over the 6-1 BS after he came aboard--was on the depth chart and would probably have made them pay. But there was more going on with the Rams backfield at that time. I suspect it had to do with Gurley's pride but whatever it was it had a steep price. But still all that does go back to QB, which is why they get paid.

 

[So Ram]

I beg to differ with you on that. IMO that's not on Goff that's on McVay. McVay has admitted he was outcoached because he didn't have answers for what the Pats were doing. We saw repeatedly during Goff's tenure in LA that McVay kept reining him in. Goff wasn't given the reigns to the horses. McVay locked each play in by being in Goff's ear until the last 15 seconds. Even when Goff wanted to change the play he couldn't because he didn't have enough time. So he went with the play McVay called, good or bad. So IMO the SB loss is on McVay not Goff.

Nick Foles will get the start this week for the Colts over Matt Ryan. I don’t know how that will go,though I thought him & Case could have made a run at a Super Bowl.Lost $30 Jimmy G’s saying Fisher’s team could win more than 7 games.

That said I always thought Jared Goff would always keep The Rams close & he was EXCELLENT in the 2 minute drill.

 

[Tano]

That said I always thought Jared Goff would always keep The Rams close & he was EXCELLENT in the 2 minute drill.

I always thought that was one of Goff's biggest weakness for the Rams

Weakness - Goff would occasionally throw a pick 6 right before half time - happened more than 3 times

On the other hand, Goff trailing at the end of games would throw a decent pass and it would get dropped. That happen more than 5 times just off the top of my head.

 

[snackdaddy]

Goff is playing well. The Lions are playing well. They have a shot at the playoffs. But before anyone anoints him and claims he's better than Stafford, I think we might wanna see how he finishes the season. Does anyone think he woulda done what Stafford did the final 3 playoff games?

 

[Tano]

Goff is playing well. The Lions are playing well. They have a shot at the playoffs. But before anyone anoints him and claims he's better than Stafford, I think we might wanna see how he finishes the season. Does anyone think he woulda done what Stafford did the final 3 playoff games?

I don't think anyone is saying Goff is better than Stafford.

 

[Kupped]

I haven’t gone through all the posts…
Is anyone pointing out the roster advantages the Rams had with Goff on a rookie deal?

That team was loaded.. even without Kupp.. who probably would have pushed them over the top.

 

[nighttrain]

Goff is playing well. The Lions are playing well. They have a shot at the playoffs. But before anyone anoints him and claims he's better than Stafford, I think we might wanna see how he finishes the season. Does anyone think he woulda done what Stafford did the final 3 playoff games?

only thing i know, Goff is a much better QB now, than when he was playing for the Rams
train

 

[So Ram]

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I always thought that was one of Goff's biggest weakness for the Rams

Weakness - Goff would occasionally throw a pick 6 right before half time - happened more than 3 times

On the other hand, Goff trailing at the end of games would throw a decent pass and it would get dropped. That happen more than 5 times just off the top of my head.

that pick against the 9ers in 2019 hurt.

Stafford had 3 pick six’s last season in a row all for losses.
Talk about game changers. In 2020 though Troy Hill had 3 TD’s
making Staley the best DC ?

The Rams will find there way,but all those plays do make a difference at some point?

 

[oldnotdead]

If you don't believe me about the difference McVay made when playing Goff then how about from someone who played against him.






Joe Person

@josephperson


Shaq Thompson says Jared Goff is playing like the quarterback he faced in college, when both were in the Pac-12, more so than the Jared Goff with the Rams.


That is because Campbell designed the offense to play to Jared's strengths, not to his weaknesses. That is why his INTs dropped dramatically under Campbell. Funny no one is talking about how poorly Stafford played this year. Everyone points to the OL. Well, Goff had an OL equally bad and played better in 2019. Yet people roasted Goff for it but give Stafford a pass. Let me set it straight, IMO neither QB is to blame. In 2019 McVay stripped away a good OL and substituted a poorly coached OL under Kromer. This year injuries decimated the OL, starters, and backups. No QB can win with a bad OL.

In 2019 it was McVay to blame, yet no one does, they still blame Goff. The Rams with Stafford and a good OL in front of him won a Super Bowl. In 2018 with a good OL in front of him, Goff got the team to the Super Bowl and the loss is again blamed on the Ram whipping boy Goff. After this last Super Bowl, it was clear that McVay learned from 2018 and adjusted. He had the best WR in the NFL in Kupp so he leaned on him. Kupp missed the Super Bowl due to injury in 2018 making it much easier for the Pats to defend.

When you look at the Ram's win in the last Super Bowl the Bengals made many of the same mistakes that the Rams made in 2018. Coaches like players learn from their experience and I don't think the Bengals will make the same mistakes if they make it again.

 

[jrry32]

If you don't believe me about the difference McVay made when playing Goff then how about from someone who played against him.


Joe Person
@josephperson


Shaq Thompson says Jared Goff is playing like the quarterback he faced in college, when both were in the Pac-12, more so than the Jared Goff with the Rams.


That is because Campbell designed the offense to play to Jared's strengths, not to his weaknesses. That is why his INTs dropped dramatically under Campbell. Funny no one is talking about how poorly Stafford played this year. Everyone points to the OL. Well, Goff had an OL equally bad and played better in 2019. Yet people roasted Goff for it but give Stafford a pass. Let me set it straight, IMO neither QB is to blame. In 2019 McVay stripped away a good OL and substituted a poorly coached OL under Kromer. This year injuries decimated the OL, starters, and backups. No QB can win with a bad OL.

In 2019 it was McVay to blame, yet no one does, they still blame Goff. The Rams with Stafford and a good OL in front of him won a Super Bowl. In 2018 with a good OL in front of him, Goff got the team to the Super Bowl and the loss is again blamed on the Ram whipping boy Goff. After this last Super Bowl, it was clear that McVay learned from 2018 and adjusted. He had the best WR in the NFL in Kupp so he leaned on him. Kupp missed the Super Bowl due to injury in 2018 making it much easier for the Pats to defend.

When you look at the Ram's win in the last Super Bowl the Bengals made many of the same mistakes that the Rams made in 2018. Coaches like players learn from their experience and I don't think the Bengals will make the same mistakes if they make it again.

I went on record that Goff actually played well in 2019 and was a big reason why we almost made the playoffs. His numbers that year are deceiving because McVay ran the ball so much in the red zone. However, what did Goff in was his terrible performance in 2020. There are no excuses for how bad he was for a good chunk of that year.

 

[AZRams]

I went on record that Goff actually played well in 2019 and was a big reason why we almost made the playoffs. His numbers that year are deceiving because McVay ran the ball so much in the red zone. However, what did Goff in was his terrible performance in 2020. There are no excuses for how bad he was for a good chunk of that year.

That was a frustrating offense given the defense played SB-caliber D pretty much all year.

 

[Tano]

I went on record that Goff actually played well in 2019 and was a big reason why we almost made the playoffs. His numbers that year are deceiving because McVay ran the ball so much in the red zone. However, what did Goff in was his terrible performance in 2020. There are no excuses for how bad he was for a good chunk of that year.

Although Goff played poorly against SF in the first game, it was after the Miami game that Goff started to lose confidence in himself. Other than the SF game which Goff couldn't hit a side of a barn 10 feet in front of him (overthrowing a wide open Kupp by 10 yards told me - uh oh Goff doesn't have it today), Goff played extremely well up to the Miami game. Then throw in the matador in front of Goff after Allen got hurt and that was the end of Goff's confidence. The second SF game was the ultimate killer in Goff's confidence although Goff did play very well in the Green Bay game other than the 3rd and longs that I mentioned above.

 

[oldnotdead]

Just remember Kupp didn't play in that Super Bowl due to injury. So now how would have Stafford fared without Cooper? That's why it's not a fair comparison.

 

[Mojo Ram]

I can’t confidently name a qb that would overcome (in a super bowl nonetheless) the loss of their top two weapons. Can you?

Matt Stafford?
He had no run game and one guy to throw too. I’d say that qualifies.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Matt Stafford?
He had no run game and one guy to throw too. I’d say that qualifies.

That would be your first choice? Seems biased for all the all time greats you could have picked from.

Matthew Stafford had triple crown winner and OBJ for the first half before he got hurt but not before contributing a TD. And our second most productive WR in 2021 was still on the field. Which top two options did he lose? Didn’t even lose the first…

 

[AZRams]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkrHXXdsoMo


This from earlier today...I was of the mind after 2020 that the Rams ought to improve the OL and give Goff another shot to see if he could get back to the '17-'18 version.

The Lions have done that for him and he is flourishing it appears.

Doesn't mean I'd be in on getting in the time-machine and un-doing the trade but it is an interesting question.