Goff Question

[NJRamsFan]

We knew Goff was a good QB when he had protections and a run game. Problem is what will he be in the playoffs when teams take away the run game and easy throws and make him read the field quickly while under duress

This isn’t a hypothetical….we know what he would be…a qb capable of getting to the Super Bowl. And likely the winner of said Super Bowl with a healthy Kupp/Gurley

 

[Merlin]

This isn’t a hypothetical….we know what he would be…a qb capable of getting to the Super Bowl. And likely the winner of said Super Bowl with a healthy Kupp/Gurley

The Patriots removed our run game in the same way Fangio had and Goff couldn't overcome that. Our offense was stifled and he was late on his read on a TD that was a sure thing. I was there, in the stands, screaming the guy was open. I watched his reads that entire game thanks to being there live.

This is why I want to see that he has developed enough to overcome that this time around. Many QBs can play well when they have a run game and play action, good protection etc. But at that highest level and biggest moments the QB must overcome the lack of those things.

If you think I am wrong that is fine. Let's agree to disagree.

 

[NJRamsFan]

The Patriots removed our run game in the same way Fangio had and Goff couldn't overcome that. Our offense was stifled and he was late on his read on a TD that was a sure thing. I was there, in the stands, screaming the guy was open. I watched his reads that entire game thanks to being there live.

This is why I want to see that he has developed enough to overcome that this time around. Many QBs can play well when they have a run game and play action, good protection etc. But at that highest level and biggest moments the QB must overcome the lack of those things.

If you think I am wrong that is fine. Let's agree to disagree.

I can’t confidently name a qb that would overcome (in a super bowl nonetheless) the loss of their top two weapons. Can you?

Did the pats “remove” our run game or did Toddy Gurleys knees not cooperate?

Rattling off a single play where a qb missed someone? Bet we could do that in every super bowl known to man.

Again he proved he can get you there. And if you think the staring qb in this era of football was just along for the ride and not one of the reasons we made it…we fundamentally understand football differently. It is the most important position on the field and we’re not in the era of run games and defense anymore….was Goff an astronomically rare outlier or was he good? I lean towards the latter.

 

[dang]

Goff was a BEAST against Minnesota last week.

I think I counted 1 bad pass.

He looked super calm and was just dealing the cards.

Their oline is very good and they has a good running game. Goff is in a good spot.

Much much much much much…..better OL and RBs. Build a top 15 defense and they’re a solid playoff team.

 

[thirteen28]

I can’t confidently name a qb that would overcome (in a super bowl nonetheless) the loss of their top two weapons. Can you?

Did the pats “remove” our run game or did Toddy Gurleys knees not cooperate?

Rattling off a single play where a qb missed someone? Bet we could do that in every super bowl known to man.

Again he proved he can get you there. And if you think the staring qb in this era of football was just along for the ride and not one of the reasons we made it…we fundamentally understand football differently. It is the most important position on the field and we’re not in the era of run games and defense anymore….was Goff an astronomically rare outlier or was he good? I lean towards the latter.

And, as McVay himself admitted, he was out coached. We all saw how he failed to adjust and kept trying to pound the square peg in the round hole. Asking the QB to overcome the fact that his head coach/play caller is getting out coached is a pretty tall order.

Edited to add his run game was largely taken away in the NFCC that year and they were down
13-0 in Q1, on the road, in a very hostile environment. Goff is who got us back in the game. Once can talk about the missed PI all they want, but I’d Goff hadn’t already put the Rams in position to win it, that play makes no difference.

 

[majrleaged]

The Patriots removed our run game in the same way Fangio had and Goff couldn't overcome that. Our offense was stifled and he was late on his read on a TD that was a sure thing. I was there, in the stands, screaming the guy was open. I watched his reads that entire game thanks to being there live.

This is why I want to see that he has developed enough to overcome that this time around. Many QBs can play well when they have a run game and play action, good protection etc. But at that highest level and biggest moments the QB must overcome the lack of those things.

If you think I am wrong that is fine. Let's agree to disagree.

It is true Goff was stumped. It is also true that he was a very young pocket passer that was getting a lot of pressure in that game. He didn't process fast enough when the pressure was slow to materialize. The Cook bomb for example. At times he still seems a little slow to process in the face of pressure. If they make the playoffs, it will be fun to see if he has actually improved or just needs the protection and the play to be correct.

 

[FarNorth]

And, as McVay himself admitted, he was out coached. We all saw how he failed to adjust and kept trying to pound the square peg in the round hole. Asking the QB to overcome the fact that his head coach/play caller is getting out coached is a pretty tall order.

Edited to add his run game was largely taken away in the NFCC that year and they were down
13-0 in Q1, on the road, in a very hostile environment. Goff is who got us back in the game. Once can talk about the missed PI all they want, but I’d Goff hadn’t already put the Rams in position to win it, that play makes no difference.

How can you go into a Super Bowl against Belicheck and run exactly the same offense sets and plays which Chicago and Fangio had figured out and stuffed weeks before? Can't blame the qb for that. McVay really was outcoached, he was not just saying that.

And without Kupp and with Gurley already in precipitous decline. Amazingly, it was still a close game which the Rams could very easily have won.

 

[John R]

This isn’t a hypothetical….we know what he would be…a qb capable of getting to the Super Bowl. And likely the winner of said Super Bowl with a healthy Kupp/Gurley

And healthy Kupp!

 

[thirteen28]

And, as McVay himself admitted, he was out coached. We all saw how he failed to adjust and kept trying to pound the square peg in the round hole. Asking the QB to overcome the fact that his head coach/play caller is getting out coached is a pretty tall order.

Edited to add his run game was largely taken away in the NFCC that year and they were down
13-0 in Q1, on the road, in a very hostile environment. Goff is who got us back in the game. Once can talk about the missed PI all they want, but I’d Goff hadn’t already put the Rams in position to win it, that play makes no difference.

After rereading my post, there is one other thing I’d like to say:

Fuck you, autocorrect.

 

[Merlin]

I can’t confidently name a qb that would overcome (in a super bowl nonetheless) the loss of their top two weapons. Can you?

Did the pats “remove” our run game or did Toddy Gurleys knees not cooperate?

Rattling off a single play where a qb missed someone? Bet we could do that in every super bowl known to man.

Again he proved he can get you there. And if you think the staring qb in this era of football was just along for the ride and not one of the reasons we made it…we fundamentally understand football differently. It is the most important position on the field and we’re not in the era of run games and defense anymore….was Goff an astronomically rare outlier or was he good? I lean towards the latter.

Pats lined up in the 6-1. They removed our outside zone schematically in the same manner the Bears had weeks earlier. They dared Goff to beat them and he couldn't.

But do we really need to do all this again. Or can we simply agree to disagree. I have no desire to beat on Goff. All I'm saying is he has to prove it to me, which is a fair take I think.

 

[Giles]

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I can’t confidently name a qb that would overcome (in a super bowl nonetheless) the loss of their top two weapons. Can you?

Did the pats “remove” our run game or did Toddy Gurleys knees not cooperate?

Rattling off a single play where a qb missed someone? Bet we could do that in every super bowl known to man.

Again he proved he can get you there. And if you think the staring qb in this era of football was just along for the ride and not one of the reasons we made it…we fundamentally understand football differently. It is the most important position on the field and we’re not in the era of run games and defense anymore….was Goff an astronomically rare outlier or was he good? I lean towards the latter.

I can never forget cooks dropping not 1 but 2 touchdown passes that hit him in his hands. Late on the read or not you absolutely have to make those plays as a reciever...especially 1 making as much as he was.

 

[Tano]

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I can never forget cooks dropping not 1 but 2 touchdown passes that hit him in his hands. Late on the read or not you absolutely have to make those plays as a reciever...especially 1 making as much as he was.

Yeah if Cooks catches either pass, I believe we had a good shot winning that game. Changed the entire complexion of the game dropping both passes.

 

[dieterbrock]

If a QB is good enough to get you to the Superbowl, he's good enough to win it.
Now mind you there is a difference between a QB getting a team there and being along for the ride. Goff for sure got them there with his performance against the Saints
All that said, I dont believe Goff could have done the things Stafford did, and that we wouldnt have won if we didnt have Stafford
Some times trades work out well for both teams

 

[NJRamsFan]

Pats lined up in the 6-1. They removed our outside zone schematically in the same manner the Bears had weeks earlier. They dared Goff to beat them and he couldn't.

But do we really need to do all this again. Or can we simply agree to disagree. I have no desire to beat on Goff. All I'm saying is he has to prove it to me, which is a fair take I think.

Kind of a weird way to approach these discussions Merlin and I have a lot of respect for you as a poster but if you don't want to engage in discussions such as this one why make statements in a thread that will surely result in this type of dialogue?

Also asking someone to agree to disagree does not consist of making new points while attempting to stifle responses. You can either discuss or not discuss you can't talk and ask people not to respond.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Now mind you there is a difference between a QB getting a team there and being along for the ride.

Just out of curiosity, doesn't even have to be about Goff but do you think this still exists in this era's NFL with all the rule changes, protection for offensive players, and change in offensive philosophy? I'm curious because I don't believe it does.

Now to clarify, a QB can slump while the defense steps up for a stretch or the other way around, but I wouldn't call that along for the ride....I just don't see a team sustaining a playoff season, making it through the playoffs, and winning the big game with a Trent Dilfer type just riding the defense. Too much has changed. Too much money tied into qbs, too many rules to favor passing the ball.

 

[Merlin]

Kind of a weird way to approach these discussions Merlin and I have a lot of respect for you as a poster but if you don't want to engage in discussions such as this one why make statements in a thread that will surely result in this type of dialogue?

Also asking someone to agree to disagree does not consist of making new points while attempting to stifle responses. You can either discuss or not discuss you can't talk and ask people not to respond.

Fair question. It is because of the division this argument caused on the board prior and the fact I don't want to argue about him.

I just felt the need to throw my take out there and then I saw the hope in the replies and felt shitty about commenting. Hope he does well.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

Yeah if Cooks catches either pass, I believe we had a good shot winning that game. Changed the entire complexion of the game dropping both passes.

I agree that he should have made the plays given his ability, but it was clear DPI and hard to catch when one arm is held down.

I sure wish we’d stop getting screwed in the Super Bowl (looking at you refs that let the Cheatriots mug every receiver on every play to counteract the best offensive team that has ever been assembled)…

 

[dieterbrock]

Just out of curiosity, doesn't even have to be about Goff but do you think this still exists in this era's NFL with all the rule changes, protection for offensive players, and change in offensive philosophy? I'm curious because I don't believe it does.

Now to clarify, a QB can slump while the defense steps up for a stretch or the other way around, but I wouldn't call that along for the ride....I just don't see a team sustaining a playoff season, making it through the playoffs, and winning the big game with a Trent Dilfer type just riding the defense. Too much has changed. Too much money tied into qbs, too many rules to favor passing the ball.

I think Brady's win in SB 53 was a case of a team winning the game. SB 50 with Denver, they carried Manning to that win
Full transparency, I did add the comment about getting vs along for the ride to avoid the "Dilfer exception"

 

[Tano]

Everyone knows I am a huge Goff fan and I know you are being sarcastic but let's not start another Goff thread lol

Well I guess this didn't work

 

[Tano]

I agree that he should have made the plays given his ability, but it was clear DPI and hard to catch when one arm is held down.

I have seen quite a few receivers catch a ball with one arm but granted that would have been a great catch and we would be discussing that catch instead for years and years

The other one - I just don't think Cooks positioned his body well enough to keep the defender from knocking the ball away from him. He had enough time to do that. Of course, that would be another great catch that we would be talking about for years if he had done that.