Which 2025 draftee would you trade up for, if any? Why or why not?

[Elmgrovegnome]

Projected by whom?

Draft Buzz. They’ve been pretty accurate with projections. They put together a consensus ranking.

 

[muggmeister]

Just to be honest, I'm just happy as hell that we have a 1st round pick again this, at least for the moment. The last one worked out pretty damn well.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Draft Buzz. They’ve been pretty accurate with projections. They put together a consensus ranking.

Oh. I rarely look at Draft Buzz.

Either way, my point remains. Conyers can do everything you listed. Run, pass, catch, and he has YAC ability.

Edit: Just took a quick look at their website. Are you sure that's a consensus ranking or a Draft Buzz ranking?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Oh. I rarely look at Draft Buzz.

Either way, my point remains. Conyers can do everything you listed. Run, pass, catch, and he has YAC ability.

Edit: Just took a quick look at their website. Are you sure that's a consensus ranking or a Draft Buzz ranking?

If Conyers can do all of that as well as Warren wouldn’t they be similarly rated?

 

[DzRams]

Oh. I rarely look at Draft Buzz.

Either way, my point remain. Conyers can do everything you listed. Run, pass, catch, and he has YAC ability.

Edit: Just took a quick look at their website. Are you sure that's a consensus ranking or a Draft Buzz ranking?

I too can run, pass, catch, and have YAC ability, although my abilities on that may be a little sketchy.

Actually my abilities on all of the above may be sketchy. Point being, there are degrees to this right? Just because I can do those things doesn't mean I'm close to Conyers...who in turn is no where close to Warren.

 

[Memphis Ram]

If Conyers can do all of that as well as Warren wouldn’t they be similarly rated?

Not if one is featured and getting a lot of opportunities and eyes on him at a winning program like Penn State and the other hasn't been and playing on meh to losing teams at Texas Tech and Arizona State.

BTW, I never said as well, but it's possible as he's pretty good.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I too can run, pass, catch, and have YAC ability, although my abilities on that may be a little sketchy.

Actually my abilities on all of the above may be sketchy. Point being, there are degrees to this right? Just because I can do those things doesn't mean I'm close to Conyers...who in turn is no where close to Warren.

You responded the same to something I never said.

 

[DzRams]

You responded the same to something I never said.

Understood. I was being facetious to point out the importance of specifying the degree of difference between the players. Just knowing we all can do those things is not helpful.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Understood. I was being facetious to point out the importance of specifying the degree of difference between the players. Just knowing we all can do those things is not helpful.

Ok. But, I figured it went without saying that if these traits were being mentioned at all then that player would be good at them.

 

[DzRams]

Ok. But, I figured it went without saying that if these traits were being mentioned at all then that player would be good at them.

Ok great. But what's the gap between them? If Warren projects as a year 1 starter and potential pro bowl player, what is Conyers' projection. Backup? Potential starter? Or are you saying that they're close to the same player in your view?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Not if one is featured and getting a lot of opportunities and eyes on him at a winning program like Penn State and the other hasn't been and playing on meh to losing teams at Texas Tech and Arizona State.

BTW, I never said as well, but it's possible as he's pretty good.

It’s possible. But NFL teams can find Kahlil Mack at Buffalo or in this years draft, a guy like Gray Zabel, at a regular clip nowadays. Jimmy Johnson taught the league to mine every nook and cranny of college football to find potential star players. I think teams and even media, who get info from teams, would be higher on Conyers overall. Even a seventh round grade doesn’t show a lot of belief in his ability to be a consistent contributor in the league. Maybe he will, or maybe he won’t be as good as Davis Allen.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Ok great. But what's the gap between them? If Warren projects as a year 1 starter and potential pro bowl player, what is Conyers' projection. Backup? Potential starter? Or are you saying that they're close to the same player in your view?

Maybe there is some character or medical information that I don't know about , but based upon my limited information on both players I struggle to see how one guarantees that much better production than the other if given the same opportunities. Especially at the TE position. And if so, why trade up?

It's the same as the RB conversation discussed in another thread. Why trade up for a highly publicized Christian McCaffrey when a lesser known but talented Alvin Kamara minus the same college opportunities can be had later in the same draft class.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Jimmy Johnson taught the league to mine every nook and cranny of college football to find potential star players.

The Chiefs and Steelers taught that lesson more than 50 years ago.

 

[Memphis Ram]

It’s possible. But NFL teams can find Kahlil Mack at Buffalo or in this years draft, a guy like Gray Zabel, at a regular clip nowadays. Jimmy Johnson taught the league to mine every nook and cranny of college football to find potential star players. I think teams and even media, who get info from teams, would be higher on Conyers overall. Even a seventh round grade doesn’t show a lot of belief in his ability to be a consistent contributor in the league. Maybe he will, or maybe he won’t be as good as Davis Allen.

Keep in mind this is just March 23 and one month from now draftnik media will have far more information. It happens every year for some players and he's had a strong pre-draft process so far. As long as no character or medical issues come to light I expect his pre-draft rating to rise.

But, either way, this TE draft class is just TOO DEEP to consider a trade up for Warren. It's the deepest draft class in years and the nature of the position makes it easier for a player to have success as they typically aren't garnering the defenses best coverage guy. Everyone made a huge deal about Brock Bowers season last year and it was good. But it appears that few even noticed that Trey McBride was right there with him. A healthy Tyler Higbee could be right there with them if given the opportunity.

 

[den-the-coach]

The Chiefs and Steelers taught that lesson more than 50 years ago.

Stram did find gems at the HBCU’s that is for sure.

 

[Memento]

Honestly, I wouldn't even be upset with someone like Harold Fannin in the first round. I know he's rated third-round by some sites, but he reminds me of a better Jordan Reed. Just an incredible talent, and he's a top-thirty-two in my eyes.

I wouldn't mind taking Conyers with a sixth either. The tight end class is stacked, and there's not many that I wouldn't want on our team.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Stram did find gems at the HBCU’s that is for sure.

Lloyd Wells was one of the first African American pro scouts, and helped to find great players like Willie Lanier, Buck Buchanan and Emmitt Thomas ... I believe all three are in the Hall of Fame; and they would have began their careers about 60 years ago.

Chiefs, Steelers and Cowboys were all ahead of the curve in identifying talent in the '60s and early-'70s

 

[rdlkgliders]

Reasons why I have never respected their football program.

1. They cannot move to a better conference because they do not offer graduate degrees at their University.
2. The Blue Field is a joke and kills too many Seagulls, who believe it is a body of water from the sky.
3. When they play the big boys, the routinely get their ass kicked besides when they beat Oklahoma back in 2007 and Oklahoma was not that good.

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I think that is really (not the hideous field issue) an NCAA issue, not everyone can play in 1 of the 2 conferences that are respected present day SEC 16 & Big 18
Pac (1)2 RIP
from the ACC, Big 12, Sun Belt, AAC & Mountain West are all next tier and within a couple points of each other in rankings.
The NCAA mismanaged this and at the cost of parity and maybe long term viewership

 

[8to12]

Draft Buzz. They’ve been pretty accurate with projections. They put together a consensus ranking.

I use Draft Buzz a lot.... but, find their rankings on some players to be a little off sometimes, and there are some players that I have tried took to look up and they are not even listed on the site..... players that would be consensus 200-300

 

[rdlkgliders]

I use Draft Buzz a lot.... but, find their rankings on some players to be a little off sometimes, and there are some players that I have tried took to look up and they are not even listed on the site..... players that would be consensus 200-300

I like Draft Buzz, all in all it's one of the better resources