Which 2025 draftee would you trade up for, if any? Why or why not?

[DzRams]

In one of the games last year (Bears or Raiders maybe) Romo said Kyren was one of the smartest players he’s ever talked to. He said it was like talking to a QB. The other announcer agreed. McVay values high football IQ and character. Replacing those traits isn’t always an easy thing to do.

That's great. But his market value is likely $12 - $14 mil. and his football IQ is more evidence to support that. Do you see the Rams paying that amount? Snead is on record as being reluctant to pay RBs 2nd contracts.

 

[dieterbrock]

That's great. But his market value is likely $12 - $14 mil

Not sure where that number comes from, I think he's looking at a deal similar to what Chubba Hubbard signed, 4 years, 33 mill

 

[Tano]

I wouldn't want to pay him for 4 years. I see him having 2 more good years at most.

Well maybe 4 years with cap money basically being halved in year 3 and nil in year 4.

 

[dang]

Some suggest drafting a back and trading Kyren afterwards. I don’t think that’s likely.

I think they will try to sign him next winter. If he wants to much they will move on.

Probably a make it break it season for KWill this season. Have an all pro year with less than 3 fumbles and I believe Rams will give him a 3 year extension.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Not sure where that number comes from, I think he's looking at a deal similar to what Chubba Hubbard signed, 4 years, 33 mill

That sounds more like it to me.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

That's great. But his market value is likely $12 - $14 mil. and his football IQ is more evidence to support that. Do you see the Rams paying that amount? Snead is on record as being reluctant to pay RBs 2nd contracts.

I doubt it if that’s the actual amount. But Snead said a few months ago that they’d like to sign him. Two years ago he was the second best back in the league. This year the line injuries held the entire offense back but he still ran well.

 

[muggmeister]

I would consider trading up for Abdul Carter. He and Verse would set the new premium standard for a pair of edge players. A pair like this could make up for a lot of other deficiencies on defense. QBs would be constantly pressured and both are stout run defenders. Could revolutionize how defenses are built. Right now, the big thing is to have 2 stud WRs, why not be ahead of the next craze. Damn, nix this thought, almost forgot we will need a new QB1 in the near future, but what if we built a defense that even a Garappolo led offense could outscore?

 

[DzRams]

Not sure where that number comes from, I think he's looking at a deal similar to what Chubba Hubbard signed, 4 years, 33 mill

Why Hubbard? KW is 3rd in yards, 3rd in TDs over the last 2 seasons. Hubbard is 10th and 12th respectively in those categories.

Hubbard is the 11th highest paid RB in terms of APY which corresponds to him being around 10th in many statistical categories. Why shouldn't KW, who is top 5 in these categories, get paid more?

 

[dieterbrock]

Why Hubbard? KW is 3rd in yards, 3rd in TDs over the last 2 seasons. Hubbard is 10th and 12th respectively in those categories.

Hubbard is the 11th highest paid RB in terms of APY which corresponds to him being around 10th in many statistical categories. Why shouldn't KW, who is top 5 in these categories, get paid more?

Because he's not on his 3 contract like Mcaffrey and Saquon, and Hubbard was the most recent long term signing
Even OT/Spotrac value him between 9-10 mill

 

[dieterbrock]

I would consider trading up for Abdul Carter. He and Verse would set the new premium standard for a pair of edge players.

That is why Cleveland will take him at #2 overall, to pair him with Myles Garrett
There's nothing to consider as the cost to trade up would be so high and would likely need to include Verse

 

[JonRam99]

Still thinking the Rams sit tight at #26, because many QB needy teams are gonna jump up to get one & there's bound to be a blue-chip player fall in our laps. But trading up to say #20 isn't out of the question, because if teams DON'T jump up to get QB's, then the "first tier" players will be gone by #21.
Lots of discussion about TE in this thread, but it's obvious to me that, because we still have Higbeast & there's lots of quality depth at TE in this draft, that McVay & Snead would be crazy to jump up to #20 if say Loveland falls that far because there's others that could still be available in the 3rd round. Warren of course won't so he's outta the convo for me.
But ya our ppg last year was weak. We HAVE to get more explosive on O. There's options later in the draft at TE, WR & RB, but if say Burden falls or Egbuka or Omarion or even Golden (he could), it's possible Snead jumps up to #20 to get them.
But I don't see them jumping up to grab a D player. They would lose at least a 3rd round pick, who would have been the "explosive" O player they need.

 

[DzRams]

Because he's not on his 3 contract like Mcaffrey and Saquon, and Hubbard was the most recent long term signing
Even OT/Spotrac value him between 9-10 mill

Hope you're right. If the Rams could sign him in the $8 mil range, that would be awesome. I don't see it as likely though. Spotrac is often about 20% below the eventual signing amount.

Looking at 2nd contracts, age, production, and pedigree, Jonathon Taylor, Josh Jacobs, and Hubbard would be the three best comps. KW's production is closer to Taylor and Jacobs but of course those two are perceived as being more talented as they were early-round draft picks. Production may trump though. I think he'll be below Taylor, above Hubbard, and near Jacobs.

 

[dieterbrock]

Hope you're right. If the Rams could sign him in the $8 mil range, that would be awesome. I don't see it as likely though. Spotrac is often about 20% below the eventual signing amount.

Looking at 2nd contracts, age, production, and pedigree, Jonathon Taylor, Josh Jacobs, and Hubbard would be the three best comps. KW's production is closer to Taylor and Jacobs but of course those two are perceived as being more talented as they were early-round draft picks. Production may trump though. I think he'll be below Taylor, above Hubbard, and near Jacobs.

Jacobs got the deal he got because he was franchise tagged

 

[DzRams]

Jacobs got the deal he got because he was franchise tagged

Wait. I may be misunderstanding what you're saying. Jacobs was tagged by LVR. He signed as a free agent with the Packers and got 4 / $48 mil. on the open market.

 

[dieterbrock]

Wait. I may be misunderstanding what you're saying. Jacobs was tagged by LVR. He signed as a free agent with the Packers and got 4 / $48 mil. on the open market.

Right, he was tagged for 10+ mill, and like Saquon they restructured it. So he was sitting at close to 12 mill when he hit FA.
RB's dont have the negotiation power of QB, so the baseline does matter with the new contract
Kyren is at 5.4 mill for his base line, which in of itself was a huge increase based on performance reward
Im likely his biggest fan on here and cant see where the Rams would offer him more than 8-9 mill. And I dont see where on an open market he has nearly the value he has with the Rams
Alas, just my opinion of course.

 

[DzRams]

Right, he was tagged for 10+ mill, and like Saquon they restructured it. So he was sitting at close to 12 mill when he hit FA.
RB's dont have the negotiation power of QB, so the baseline does matter with the new contract
Kyren is at 5.4 mill for his base line, which in of itself was a huge increase based on performance reward
Im likely his biggest fan on here and cant see where the Rams would offer him more than 8-9 mill. And I dont see where on an open market he has nearly the value he has with the Rams
Alas, just my opinion of course.

Now I'm tracking the relevance from your perspective.

We're not very far apart. I too see the Rams offering $8-9 mil at most. The difference is, I don't expect him to go for that. If I was a top 3 most productive back over the last two years, I wouldn't. The benefit of the open market to players is that there are 31 other teams. One of them will want to pay a top 5 productive RB even with his warts.

I still hope you're right though. $8 mil would be a great price to not have to worry about the RB position. We could just add to it with a change of pace back.

 

[Ground Chuck]

Reasons why I have never respected their football program.

1. They cannot move to a better conference because they do not offer graduate degrees at their University.
2. The Blue Field is a joke and kills too many Seagulls, who believe it is a body of water from the sky.
3. When they play the big boys, the routinely get their ass kicked besides when they beat Oklahoma back in 2007 and Oklahoma was not that good.

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Hi Den. I've got a daughter at BSU and you're right it does get a little bit over-hyped, with the "Smurf-turf" and all. But still a good football program. To your points:

1. Jeanty ran all over #1 Oregon, was a man-among boys, and made them look silly. I know Oregon later got handled, but #1 all year. That is good competition. Also, then-ranked Washington State, dominant (259yd 10.0/carry 4TD). I watched him in person tear up Utah St. They pulled him at halftime with just under 200 yards, and my wife had me at the snack stand when I missed his big 80 yard jaunt.
Against #20 UNLV he carried the team on his back in their first playoff win, and against Penn State, though they loaded the box to stop him he still had a couple break-away runs. (Boise's QB last year was about 5'6" on his tip-toes and scared nobody.)

The young man is A1 character, and a running force. Thighs like Earl Campbell, balance and determination like you've never seen, and occasionally flashes Barry Sanders bounce and cuts. I understand the NFL is a whole other level, but Jeanty has proven himself in big games, and against top competition. I think, given the right situation, he can change a teams season. He may take the Raiders to 10-11 wins with Gino/Bowers/ and the gum-chewer at the head.

Not sure about the graduate program holding Boise back, but I agree they could use some more competition.


2. The gulls-crashing to the turf thing is a total myth. I know you were probably kidding, but it actually isn't true. They gulls are probably too busy getting decapitated flying into windmills.

3. Somewhat true. I dreaded the Penn State game. (See: 5'6" quarterback) Boise hung in there in the first half, but didn't look competitive as the game wore on.

Going into '24 Boise let their QB starter (Taylen Green) go to Arkansas in the Portal, and actually got a USC cast-off in the Portal that everyone expected to beat out the midget, but to his credit, Maddux Madson beat him out.

Cheers

 

[den-the-coach]

Hi Den. I've got a daughter at BSU and you're right it does get a little bit over-hyped, with the "Smurf-turf" and all. But still a good football program. To your points:



Cheers

First off let me salute the name you selected I love it. Secondly congrats on your daughter attending Boise State and I wish her the best, I meant no disrespect to the students there. Also to Jeanty I am sure he is a fine talent guess my judgment is a tad clouded because of my scarlet & grey colored glasses and the way I feel about TreVeyon Henderson.

I appreciate calling me out and now for my decision on the Broncos of Boise State and their football program.

 

[Neil039]

That is why Cleveland will take him at #2 overall, to pair him with Myles Garrett
There's nothing to consider as the cost to trade up would be so high and would likely need to include Verse

Agreed. They will likely have another high draft pick in 26' to address the QB position.