Tight End class in draft

[WestCoastRam]

As far as upside of TEs in this draft, I think one could argue Arroyo has the biggest upside. Injuries have slowed his progress and may still derail his career but if he can learn all the ins and outs of the position, you can't teach his explosiveness and athleticism.

Mason is a safe pick but a very good safe pick. I'd be perfectly happy with him in the 2nd if we trade down, I'm not sure I love him in the first if a DB or tackle is there that offers more upside.

 

[So Ram]

I have no idea. It wouldn't shock me to see the Rams draft him at #26. It also wouldn't shock me to see him still on the board in the 40-50 range. Just too many evenly rated players in that range from what I understand.

Agree - that’s why trading back is The Best option. The Rams are in the Cusp of being Excellent for a few seasons. This Draft could put them over The Top !

Add a Top 100 Rb,TE,ILBer. as core players.

Still finding a CB,OT,WR,& a OLB of value. This is a deep draft for The Rams needs.

 

[OldSchool]

I'm not. I just pointed out the bigger kid had the faster time.

BTW, when did Loveland run his 40?

He ran a 4.70 and Fannin ran a 4.71

 

[OldSchool]

Say what you want Old School.The upside of Mason Taylor is HUGE. I played the tape & saw his drills.
I like his vision & open field YAC.
Then you see how smooth &’soft hands,only to look at his age & bloodlines.

I’m for trading back though & take one of the TE’s at 90.At 26 there should be a better option other wise still. The Rams need a ILber & that is were The trade back would allow The Rams find value at both positions.

Maybe in your mind but no that's not true at all.

 

[fanotodd]

I get that people on this forum have said it but I haven' t heard anyone else saying that, I think this might be untrue

I know the cbs site has Fannin rated above Taylor.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I know the cbs site has Fannin rated above Taylor.

That doesn't really address the "Fannin has a higher ceiling than Taylor."

You know, I apologize, I think I misread your original post and didn't see the "might" there.

Sure, there's an outside chance that Hannin could have more upside. I don't think it's likely.

Don't mind the kid as a prospect late day 2 though.

 

[So Ram]

Maybe in your mind but no that's not true at all.

Time will tell. Wouldn’t take him at 26. IMO Jihaad Campbell if he gets past TBay he should fall to The Rams,more SO than Barron.

 

[OldSchool]

That doesn't really address the "Fannin has a higher ceiling than Taylor."

You know, I apologize, I think I misread your original post and didn't see the "might" there.

Sure, there's an outside chance that Hannin could have more upside. I don't think it's likely.

Don't mind the kid as a prospect late day 2 though.

At some point we have to see them do it in actual games though right? Perceived upside can't hold a candle to actually doing it though.

 

[OldSchool]

Time will tell. Wouldn’t take him at 26. IMO Jihaad Campbell if he gets past TBay he should fall to The Rams,more SO than Barron.

Who has said take Fannin at 26 why are you making shit up like this all the time?

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Are we really worried about a .05 difference in 40 time? Especially knowing the Rams don't care about 40 time they pay attention to game speed and performance? The fasted TE was a 4.63, Ferguson who I like a lot, and the slowest in the top 5 or 6 was a 4.71. That's not a game changing speed difference IMO. People talk about how fast Loveland is and he was a 4.7 yet somehow Fannin isn't fast at 4.71.

I personally don't get this fascination with 40 times. Lots of players play faster than their times. The film should always hold more value.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

As far as upside of TEs in this draft, I think one could argue Arroyo has the biggest upside. Injuries have slowed his progress and may still derail his career but if he can learn all the ins and outs of the position, you can't teach his explosiveness and athleticism.

Mason is a safe pick but a very good safe pick. I'd be perfectly happy with him in the 2nd if we trade down, I'm not sure I love him in the first if a DB or tackle is there that offers more upside.

I'd hate him at #26, bad value in my opinion.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

As far as upside of TEs in this draft, I think one could argue Arroyo has the biggest upside. Injuries have slowed his progress and may still derail his career but if he can learn all the ins and outs of the position, you can't teach his explosiveness and athleticism.

Mason is a safe pick but a very good safe pick. I'd be perfectly happy with him in the 2nd if we trade down, I'm not sure I love him in the first if a DB or tackle is there that offers more upside.

Arroyo has a lot to learn and looks like less of an instant production player than Taylor, Warren and Loveland. I like him but I don’t think the Rams would draft an early pick in a long term projection. I’d hope not anyway. Thats like years ago with the Ron Bartell pick. Taking a guy so raw with physical talent only to wait your years for it to all to come together for them is a bad investment and a gamble.

I know the cbs site has Fannin rated above Taylor.

On one of the pods I listen to, It was either Brugler or DJ that said that when discussing Fanin Jr. a lot of teams said they don’t know what they would do with him.

I take that to mean that he doesn’t clearly fit into a specific role.

 

[Flatlyner]

After not spending as much time as would have liked but a little more on the TE targets in this draft - including Loveland and Warren - I think I've come to the conclusion that we should just let it ride. I don't think either are worth trading up for but would love it if they make it to us, doubt they do. I think there will be some good tight ends available that aren't so crazy far off from those guys at the end of the day.

All I know if that I want to come away with a TE in this draft who legitimately shows they could become a Y TE eventually but would also be happy with a H-back type too.

And ultimately, there's just a lot of guys to like in this draft, I can't think of one guy right now who'd I'd be disappointed in us drafting (maybe if we overpaid what I think they're worth in draft capital).

What a great place to be where need and opportunity meet.

I feel that McVay likely see's a bit of Bowers in Loveland and might try hard to move up and grab him, provided he falls a bit based on medicals.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I feel that McVay likely see's a bit of Bowers in Loveland and might try hard to move up and grab him, provided he falls a bit based on medicals.

Yeah, possibly. I think I've landed in the place that Loveland and Warren are very good TE's and deserve to go in the 1st but not worth giving up draft capital to get like Bowers. There's just enough, maybe these guys will just be good not great to them that I don't want to expend treasure on them. But, they both have the ability to be amazing too.

 

[jjab360]

Guys... I have to wonder what we're talking about here if people think Mason Taylor has more upside than Harold Fannin?? All Fannin did last year was make big play after big play after big play. One game of his had more highlights than Taylor's entire season.

Last season Fannin broke 34 tackles which led all TEs. By a lot. 1555 yards which led all of college football. Against real opponents too. 137 yards against Texas A&M. 145 yards against Penn State. Explosive after the catch, down the field, intermediate routes, you name it. Underrated as a blocker too if he gets his technique down. Strong as an ox. Hands like glue.

Want to know how many tackles Mason Taylor broke? 5. 14 missed tackles his entire career. 9.9 yards per reception last season. Game high of 77 yards against UCLA.

Sure Mason Taylor is a solid in-line tight end but even if he reaches his full potential we're looking at maybe being as good as Higbee. And that's good but not worth a first round pick. Maybe worth a late second round pick.

Fannin could be a game changer in the right offense. Taylor could be a decent role player.

I'd love to see the counter-argument. A .06 40 time difference at the underwear olympics and a 9 pound weight difference is not a good argument to me. Teams used that same backwards logic to pass up on Kupp in 2017.

 

[Flatlyner]

Yeah, possibly. I think I've landed in the place that Loveland and Warren are very good TE's and deserve to go in the 1st but not worth giving up draft capital to get like Bowers. There's just enough, maybe these guys will just be good not great to them that I don't want to expend treasure on them. But, they both have the ability to be amazing too.

Same, I'm not giving up a kings ransom but if he falls in the teens, I think McVay will try and pull the trigger. If he's still there at 21, I almost guarantee McVay tries to get up ahead of LAC. Loveland has been in a bad (passing) offense his whole career and had very bad QB last year. Ceiling super high IMO.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Guys... I have to wonder what we're talking about here if people think Mason Taylor has more upside than Harold Fannin?? All Fannin did last year was make big play after big play after big play. One game of his had more highlights than Taylor's entire season.

Last season Fannin broke 34 tackles which led all TEs. By a lot. 1555 yards which led all of college football. Against real opponents too. 137 yards against Texas A&M. 145 yards against Penn State. Explosive after the catch, down the field, intermediate routes, you name it. Underrated as a blocker too if he gets his technique down. Strong as an ox. Hands like glue.

Want to know how many tackles Mason Taylor broke? 5. 14 missed tackles his entire career. 9.9 yards per reception last season. Game high of 77 yards against UCLA.

Sure Mason Taylor is a solid in-line tight end but even if he reaches his full potential we're looking at maybe being as good as Higbee. And that's good but not worth a first round pick. Maybe worth a late second round pick.

Fannin could be a game changer in the right offense. Taylor could be a decent role player.

I'd love to see the counter-argument. A .06 40 time difference at the underwear olympics and a 9 pound weight difference is not a good argument to me. Teams used that same backwards logic to pass up on Kupp in 2017.

I'd prefer Fannin for sure over Taylot. All the guy did was put great tape out there.

 

[jrry32]

Actually the bigger Taylor had the faster 40 time.

Taylor didn't run at the Combine. He is reported to have run a 4.65 40 at his Pro Day. Fannin ran a 4.71 40 at the Combine. Pro Day times are usually faster than Combine times. Regardless, on tape, I like Fannin's football speed.

I wouldn’t agree on the The better YAC & upside. I do agree that there is more value later in the draft.26 is a little rich in comparison.

Don’t know your view on Cooper Kupp coming out.I know I liked The younger WR,but would’ve doubled dipped on Kupp.George Kittle fell &would’ve drafted & maybe doubled dipped with him ?
The 12 is always an excellent POWER option.

That’s why trading back might make the most sense.The Rams have shown the ability to Draft well in the Middle Rounds.

Bluntly, you're not correct if you won't agree on YAC. Upside is a matter of opinion. YAC is clearcut.

Guys... I have to wonder what we're talking about here if people think Mason Taylor has more upside than Harold Fannin?? All Fannin did last year was make big play after big play after big play. One game of his had more highlights than Taylor's entire season.

Last season Fannin broke 34 tackles which led all TEs. By a lot. 1555 yards which led all of college football. Against real opponents too. 137 yards against Texas A&M. 145 yards against Penn State. Explosive after the catch, down the field, intermediate routes, you name it. Underrated as a blocker too if he gets his technique down. Strong as an ox. Hands like glue.

Want to know how many tackles Mason Taylor broke? 5. 14 missed tackles his entire career. 9.9 yards per reception last season. Game high of 77 yards against UCLA.

Sure Mason Taylor is a solid in-line tight end but even if he reaches his full potential we're looking at maybe being as good as Higbee. And that's good but not worth a first round pick. Maybe worth a late second round pick.

Fannin could be a game changer in the right offense. Taylor could be a decent role player.

I'd love to see the counter-argument. A .06 40 time difference at the underwear olympics and a 9 pound weight difference is not a good argument to me. Teams used that same backwards logic to pass up on Kupp in 2017.

I think Taylor has more upside than that, but I agree that people are selling Fannin short. If he's going to fall because teams don't know what to do with him, we should take advantage. Because I have zero doubt McVay knows what to do with him.

 

[Memphis Ram]

He ran a 4.70 and Fannin ran a 4.71

Just checked. That must be a estimated or earlier 40 time for Loveland.

Everything I've seen is that Loveland didn't run at the combine or either of Michigan's Pro Days.

In fact, the Rams doctor said he wouldn't be able to sprint until minicamp in his letter.


View: https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1894454645780877689

 

[OldSchool]

Just checked. That must be a estimated or earlier 40 time for Loveland.

Everything I've seen is that Loveland didn't run at the combine or either of Michigan's Pro Days.

In fact, the Rams doctor said he wouldn't be able to sprint until minicamp in his letter.


View: https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1894454645780877689

Which is one of the reasons for the reports of teams taking him off their board due to medicals it seems.