The 2025 NFL Pre-Draft General Talk

[Flatlyner]

Yes I think it is possible. Teams in the top ten have great need at the position. Vegas is another possible destination for him.

Do you think it makes sense that a QB prospect with good size, a good arm, and anticipation throws and good progressions on his film should go round 3 in this draft?

3rd no, 2nd yes. He's a 2nd round pick all day, but, since he is a QB, he could go late 1st. Top 10 would be absolutely shocking.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I pray this happens. Its getting silly with how willing some teams ready to go for QB in a weak QB class. The more that go in round 1, the more quality position players fall. Might even scare a team to trade up with us and give up quality draft capital.

In extremely weak QB classes, more than 2 QBs (if only 1) don't get drafted in the 1st round.

People just don't want to think about 2007, 2013, 2010, 2015, 2022.

 

[Ram Ts]

Rams really trying to gin up the QB market. They know these guys are going in the 2nd but want people to think they're gonna have to jump them to get these QBs so it'll push someone down to them.

I think (amongst other things) they want a tackle to fall and it looks like the offensive tackles are gonna go higher than we think.

I agree. I think the Rams want either an OT or one of the top two TEs (that’ll be way gone).
It’ll be interesting what they do at 26 if no OT they like is there and a trade back isn’t an option.

 

[dieterbrock]

Yes I think it is possible. Teams in the top ten have great need at the position. Vegas is another possible destination for him.

Do you think it makes sense that a QB prospect with good size, a good arm, and anticipation throws and good progressions on his film should go round 3 in this draft?

The same top ten teams have the top ten picks in the 2nd round and 3rd round... There is no way Shough goes in the top 10 of the 1st, unlikely 1st or 2nd round
Injuries aside he wasnt all that great at his first 2 schools. The idea that he's pro ready is laughable to me being it basically took him 6 years to become good in college, how long will it take in the NFL?

 

[OldSchool]

Man, those are some good spots to pick for the 9ers. I just don’t want to see them land Banks or Benton for their future LT.
This draft is vital for them.

I keep reading and hearing it's down to Banks or the edge Williams.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I agree. I think the Rams want either an OT or one of the top two TEs (that’ll be way gone).
It’ll be interesting what they do at 26 if no OT they like is there and a trade back isn’t an option.

I think it's a real possibility that Conerly is now gone by the time we pick and Simmons has some issues with overall talent and injury.

The way I'm looking at it for Rams: Option A - trade down, Option B - take the tackle they want, Option C - take an offensive skill player they want, Option - C, take a defensive back they want

 

[Merlin]

He's 26, has huge medical issues and is extremely skittish in the pocket to the point where he isn't able to use that good arm at all.

What are we even doing here?

What I am doing here is having a conversation about projecting a QB to the NFL. Does that bother you? Because you seem to be bothered.

"Huge medical issues" is something I do not consider to be an accurate summation of what Shough went through. He broke his collar bone twice. There are rumors the second time it was not fully healed, which happens in sports with that injury. This is far less of an issue than a joint injury. For example I love Rourke but am willing to acknowledge that knee is an issue and will be an issue projecting him to the NFL. It would be accurate to say "huge medical issues" applies to Rourke due to his knee.

The age does not concern me. Shough can win from the pocket. QBs who win from the pocket, where the protections are, tend to have longer careers. If this kid plays until his late 30s I could give a fuck that he's a couple years older.

What irks me is when people act indignant about a differing opinion because they are so used to pouring over mocks by media members who may not be getting the straight story from teams. I guarantee you, based on watching quite a bit of Shough's film, that teams are going to want him in their QB room. This dude isn't gonna last to round 3.

Also and btw... He is not skittish in the pocket. In fact he routinely makes better throws in the face of pressure than most of these other QBs in this class not named Dart. You want skittish check out Ewers.

 

[dieterbrock]

In extremely weak QB classes, more than 2 QBs (if only 1) don't get drafted in the 1st round.

People just don't want to think about 2007, 2013, 2010, 2015, 2022.

Chicken and egg though.
Post-draft-If 1 QB goes, its a weak class, if 4-5 go it's not
History then determines if its a weak class, and that can change. 2017 was a great QB draft when Watson and Mahomes were 2 of the best in the game. Now its looked back as bust city Trubisky and Mr Massage Parlor

 

[OldSchool]

What I am doing here is having a conversation about projecting a QB to the NFL. Does that bother you? Because you seem to be bothered.

"Huge medical issues" is something I do not consider to be an accurate summation of what Shough went through. He broke his collar bone twice. There are rumors the second time it was not fully healed, which happens in sports with that injury. This is far less of an issue than a joint injury. For example I love Rourke but am willing to acknowledge that knee is an issue and will be an issue projecting him to the NFL. It would be accurate to say "huge medical issues" applies to Rourke due to his knee.

The age does not concern me. Shough can win from the pocket. QBs who win from the pocket, where the protections are, tend to have longer careers. If this kid plays until his late 30s I could give a fuck that he's a couple years older.

What irks me is when people act indignant about a differing opinion because they are so used to pouring over mocks by media members who may not be getting the straight story from teams. I guarantee you, based on watching quite a bit of Shough's film, that teams are going to want him in their QB room. This dude isn't gonna last to round 3.

Also and btw... He is not skittish in the pocket. In fact he routinely makes better throws in the face of pressure than most of these other QBs in this class not named Dart. You want skittish check out Ewers.

Breaking a bone a couple times isn't a huge issue i agree. Acl or shoulder/elbow and back multiple times sure that's an issue. The biggest problem is like some QBs that flopped you only have 1 full year of tape. That's an issue.

 

[Merlin]

Here's a cutup of Shough vs Miami. I like these or full games much better than highlights because they show the good and bad. This game the Louisville defense could not stop Miami and Shough was playing catchup the entirety of it. What it shows is his competitiveness in that pocket, his command of the offense, and his accuracy even when throwing in the face of a rush.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypmh-1QMjSs

 

[dieterbrock]

Here's a cutup of Shough vs Miami. I like these or full games much better than highlights because they show the good and bad. This game the Louisville defense could not stop Miami and Shough was playing catchup the entirety of it. What it shows is his competitiveness in that pocket, his command of the offense, and his accuracy even when throwing in the face of a rush.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypmh-1QMjSs

Keep in mind, I like Shough, have spoken about him in the past. Concerns wise? His age is a concern in the fact that he's a 26 year old man playing against 19-20 year kids. He's been in college for 7 years, so yeah he really has honed his skill against college level. To me its like a veteran baseball player who kills it in AAA, doesnt mean he'll be able to handle MLB.

 

[OldSchool]

Not the best OT class and some very OT needy teams. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if 5 or 6 OT go in the 1st.

 

[Merlin]

Keep in mind, I like Shough, have spoken about him in the past. Concerns wise? His age is a concern in the fact that he's a 26 year old man playing against 19-20 year kids. He's been in college for 7 years, so yeah he really has honed his skill against college level. To me its like a veteran baseball player who kills it in AAA, doesnt mean he'll be able to handle MLB.

That's a fair point. I just think too much has been made of the injury history and with pocket QBs age is mitigated to some extent. And when those things are considered there's a really good chance teams are being quiet about him with the media for a reason.

All these guys are dice rolls. I mean we can do this with Cam, who is the top pick most likely. Comes down to the team believing in the player. So when I look at Shough I'm thinking to myself "no way this particular QB is going to last until round 3" because his skills are real.

 

[Merlin]

People here love to knock Walter Football

Yes. Yes we do.

 

[Mojo Ram]

The way I'm looking at it for Rams: Option A - trade down, Option B - take the tackle they want, Option C - take an offensive skill player they want, Option - C, take a defensive back they want

What about option F ?

 

[Ram Ts]

The way I'm looking at it for Rams: Option A - trade down, Option B - take the tackle they want, Option C - take an offensive skill player they want

I think this is it 100%

 

[Merlin]

There is no way Shough goes in the top 10 of the 1st, unlikely 1st or 2nd round

Fortunately we're about to find out if I'm on crazy pills.

 

[WestCoastRam]

What about option F ?

Trade up for Tyler Shough in the top 10

 

[dieterbrock]

Fortunately we're about to find out if I'm on crazy pills.

Oh I think some of us are already aware....
Birds of a feather and all that

 

[Mojo Ram]

Trade up for Tyler Shough in the top 10

Gross.
Wait, can he run or catch? He could probably outrun our TE’s tbh