Talking Tutu (many of) you!

[Loyal]

by the way, @PA Ram , understand the butterfly effect in this situation. The Rams could have been a better team and won more games in the regular season, which would have changed seeding in the playoffs and we could have lost vs the Packers in Lambeau. There are chaotic factors at play that matter more than any one position, but that doesn't mean that you bet on chaos to rule in your favor and don't pick a great Olineman when he's the best opportunity meeting need in the draft, instead of a 5 ft 150 pounder at WR.

 

[Loyal]

I am? Sure, point to Cincy losing the SB because of their O line but don't mention despite that O line, they made it to the SB. THAT is my point.

Look at 2020. Kansas City lost Michell Schwartz for all but 6 games and made the SB. Sure they lost, then rebuilt their OL and lost the CCG. One might argue the Chiefs didn't win the SB and make it back the followimg year because of their OL but because of Mahomes, Hill and Kelce. Weapons.

I don't have it wrong, it's just that some ignore reality and all the rule changes that have surgically removed snot-knocking football from the game. It's about entertainment.....QBs, WRs and TEs. Not about the big uglies on the OL.

read below...and yeah, you are wrong.

 

[PARAM]

but that doesn't mean that you bet on chaos to rule in your favor and don't pick a great Olineman when he's the best opportunity meeting need in the draft, instead of a 5 ft 150 pounder at WR.

Who's opinion of "best opportunity meeting need"? The fans? Or the guys who are around these players day after every day?

I'm not saying you could have 5 Tutus on the OL and win with weapons but having 5 Humphreys ain't gonna win anything if you don't have the weapons. That's simply the state of the NFL in the 21st century.

It's no longer about dominant O lines. Its about dominant playmakers. Just look at recent history.

 

[Loyal]

Who's opinion of "best opportunity meeting need"? The fans? Or the guys who are around these players day after every day?

I'm not saying you could have 5 Tutus on the OL and win with weapons but having 5 Humphreys ain't gonna win anything if you don't have the weapons. That's simply the state of the NFL in the 21st century.

It's no longer about dominant O lines. Its about dominant playmakers. Just look at recent history.

I guess we will have agree to disagree.

 

[PARAM]

Okay. I'll defer. Tell me what great O lines are going to make the playoffs and advance to the SB this coming year. Take the field and name a bunch of them. I'll go with Buffalo, Las Vegas, Tampa and the Rams.

 

[ottoman89]

Okay. I'll defer. Tell me what great O lines are going to make the playoffs and advance to the SB this coming year. Take the field and name a bunch of them. I'll go with Buffalo, Kansas City, Tampa and the Rams.

Cincy, LAC, MIN

 

[PARAM]

Cincy, LAC, MIN

Okay. Btw, the way, I removed KC and put Las Vegas in their place. They lost a huge weapon and the Raiders got a new one.

 

[ottoman89]

Okay. Btw, the way, I removed KC and put Las Vegas in their place. They lost a huge weapon and the Raiders got a new one.

Great call! I forgot about the Raiders!

 

[MachS]

View: https://twitter.com/tutuatwell/status/1507018434688606219?t=_R22CH-mt101VGO82_mpNA&s=19

 

[payote75]

Yea guys since Tyreek Hill has been so over played footage broken down etc. I actually have watched a lot of it then watch tutu. I'm not saying tutu will be Hill but I can see a lot of similarities. If tutu is smart he will watch his footage til his eyes pop out.

I mentioned this earlier while not thrilled with the pick I'm warming up to it if I see one thing that's key for me that's has been key for Hill. I need to see tutu catch and not get hit which is what Hill is excellent at. I have confidence in his hands and route running but he needs to know how to avoid the hits and smartly read the creases/defenses that's where we will know if he is more like Hill or more like Tavon Austin.

The speed tutu has is just as fast if not faster that Hill so avoiding jams he will always have separation and more than likely be open it's after he catch s it that's key. Hill is amazing at not getting hit excessively or ever for that matter. I need to see him play again see what he has learned. I am right now coming around so let's see how it goes.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yeah I'm sure a a coach who assembled a playoff caliber roster for 5 years really "panicked" over a 2nd round draft pick.

Lumping yours and Dieter’s together

Might be my favorite ridiculous take.
Les says to Sean on the phone, "hey man, I know Pitt is on the clock, and then Seattle, so when we pick just take either Freiermuth or Eskridge. I'd wait for us to be up but I got to take a nap."
Cant you just see it?
Yeah, me neither....

The guy on locked on Rams Podcast just said the rumor was that McVay wasn’t happy about the pick.
Maybe Snead got outsmarted or locked into his pick that he was sure would be there and had to scramble for another pick. Kind of like he was sure nobody was picking Wagner at the next few picks, when he traded.

Here's my take.

The vitriol for Tutu is two fold.
1. He had terribly non existent rookie year, and
2. We could have had or as some claim, should have had Creed Humphrey.

The truth is the way the NFL is changing, the value of all world OL is over stated. What teams had "the best OLs" in the NFL?

If you go by rankings (PFF or OLINERANKINGS), Tampa or Dallas depending on which rankings. They both have them 1-2 but reversed. One had SF #3, the other #9. One had N.England #3 the other #9. Both had KC and Philly reversed at #4 & #5. Ironically both had the Rams #7. One had Cleveland #6, the other #8.

One point is, of the top 10 ranked O lines, 3 missed the postseason and 3 others were 1 and done. That leaves 4 and only 1 of them made the SB.

Another point is, if both had the Rams #7, where would they have been with Humphrey? And would they have won the SB more easily? I and many others contend, if OBJ doesn't go down and Higbee plays, the Rams win in a blowout. Still without Humphrey.

Of the top 10 passing offenses in the NFL, 9 made the postseason and two made the SB. Among them only 5 OLs were ranked in the top 10 and one was LAC, who didn't make the postseason.

It's not about OL. It's about the QB and the weapons he has at his disposal. So that's why the Rams passed on Creed Humphrey and went for Tutu. Even if they were wrong on Tutu, they're not wrong in theory.

I am? Sure, point to Cincy losing the SB because of their O line but don't mention despite that O line, they made it to the SB. THAT is my point.

Look at 2020. Kansas City lost Michell Schwartz for all but 6 games and made the SB. Sure they lost, then rebuilt their OL and lost the CCG. One might argue the Chiefs didn't win the SB and make it back the followimg year because of their OL but because of Mahomes, Hill and Kelce. Weapons.

I don't have it wrong, it's just that some ignore reality and all the rule changes that have surgically removed snot-knocking football from the game. It's about entertainment.....QBs, WRs and TEs. Not about the big uglies on the OL.

I’ll use your own logic against you. If not for two gifts, two horrible passes by Tannehill the Bengals don’t reach the Super Bowl either just like Tampa Bay and Dallas.

 

[PARAM]

I’ll use your own logic against you. If not for two gifts, two horrible passes by Tannehill the Bengals don’t reach the Super Bowl either just like Tampa Bay and Dallas.

We can dissect every game and come up with a number of 'ifs' and 'buts'. The bottom line is this. The NFL has always been a QB driven league but more now than ever. You only need to look at the last 2 years. Brady to Tampa = SB. Stafford to LA = SB. Wilson goes to Denver and now they're the 6th best favorite. All the hubbub about Watson (and how we didn't want him in Seattle or SF). Ryan going to Indy. I have yet to hear of a team needing an all pro C to change their SB hopes. And QBs need weapons. The more the better. Sure they need protection too. 2.5 - 3.0 seconds worth. Rarely do they need somebody to keep a guy off them for 6 seconds. If you pay more for OL than you have less for weapons. It's not that you need superstars (like the best C in the NFL) but rather a competent group that play as a unit. I can't be sure of this but I'd bet the difference between the best OLs in the league and the good OLs in the league is miniscule. More so when you have a stellar QB with a collection of weapons.

@Loyal
Desean Jackson's Combine numbers: 5'10" 169 lbs
Tutu Atwell's Combine numbers: 5'9" 154 lbs
DJax played 15 years in the NFL. The Rams will put 20 lbs on Tutu....might even be 3/4s of the way there already.

 

[Tano]

If he puts on 20 lbs, then maybe he will be effective. But his legs are twigs right now and a strong breath by a tackler can put him down.

I would love to see him put 25 to 30 lbs on his frame.

I do really like his skill set.

 

[ProGen]

Yea guys since Tyreek Hill has been so over played footage broken down etc. I actually have watched a lot of it then watch tutu. I'm not saying tutu will be Hill but I can see a lot of similarities. If tutu is smart he will watch his footage til his eyes pop out.

I mentioned this earlier while not thrilled with the pick I'm warming up to it if I see one thing that's key for me that's has been key for Hill. I need to see tutu catch and not get hit which is what Hill is excellent at. I have confidence in his hands and route running but he needs to know how to avoid the hits and smartly read the creases/defenses that's where we will know if he is more like Hill or more like Tavon Austin.

The speed tutu has is just as fast if not faster that Hill so avoiding jams he will always have separation and more than likely be open it's after he catch s it that's key. Hill is amazing at not getting hit excessively or ever for that matter. I need to see him play again see what he has learned. I am right now coming around so let's see how it goes.

Tutu faster than Hill? I don't see it.
He is also significantly lighter, and has a much smaller frame.
I have my fingers crossed for Tutu, but I have never believed he will amount to anything significant in the NFL.

 

[Neil039]

How does this thread have life????

 

[payote75]

Tutu faster than Hill? I don't see it.
He is also significantly lighter, and has a much smaller frame.
I have my fingers crossed for Tutu, but I have never believed he will amount to anything significant in the NFL.

It's all understandable doubts always going to exist especially under the current situation and how it's gone this far.

Let me be clear though I didn't say he was Hill or better. Just having hill and all his videos/breakdowns forced down our throats this week I just took some time to look at baldys breakdown of hill and how he is never touched rarely hit and can run like that drag route and cut through the entire secondary for a td or long gain. So if I were mcvay I'd lock tutu in a room and make him watch hill til his eyeballs popped out. Having watch some film on both inside see some similarities.

That's said I also said he could be a hill type player or end up a Tavon Austin. I don't think there is an in between for him. I don't think he will ever just be a regular reciever if that makes sense.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

We can dissect every game and come up with a number of 'ifs' and 'buts'. The bottom line is this. The NFL has always been a QB driven league but more now than ever. You only need to look at the last 2 years. Brady to Tampa = SB. Stafford to LA = SB. Wilson goes to Denver and now they're the 6th best favorite. All the hubbub about Watson (and how we didn't want him in Seattle or SF). Ryan going to Indy. I have yet to hear of a team needing an all pro C to change their SB hopes. And QBs need weapons. The more the better. Sure they need protection too. 2.5 - 3.0 seconds worth. Rarely do they need somebody to keep a guy off them for 6 seconds. If you pay more for OL than you have less for weapons. It's not that you need superstars (like the best C in the NFL) but rather a competent group that play as a unit. I can't be sure of this but I'd bet the difference between the best OLs in the league and the good OLs in the league is miniscule. More so when you have a stellar QB with a collection of weapons.

@Loyal
Desean Jackson's Combine numbers: 5'10" 169 lbs
Tutu Atwell's Combine numbers: 5'9" 154 lbs
DJax played 15 years in the NFL. The Rams will put 20 lbs on Tutu....might even be 3/4s of the way there already.

Football is the ultimate team sport. What happened to Seattles expected dynasty? They never replenished the offensive line.

Look at the Oline struggles of the Rams in 2019. That was the biggest drawback that year. It was a weakness. The Rams had two very good tackles yet the line didn’t block well enough for team success.

If the line doesn’t matter why pay more than league minimum for any of them? Why resign Noteboom and not start the cheaper Jackson? Why retain Allen when they got Shelton cheaper? The Rams could get picks for Havenstein and have a line that looks like this.

A. Jackson
Edwards
Shelton
Anchrum
Brewer

Do you need a top of the league center? No. But it’s a nice luxury. Especially one on a rookie deal. Do you need a top runningback? No but it was damn nice to have Gurley when healthy? For that matter do you need a top QB to win a Super Bowl? Ask Nick Foles. Or to reach a Super Bowl? Ask Goff.

The argument is full of holes. With a salary cap and parity in the league it’s all about overcoming weaknesses. The Patriots had some of the better Olines in the league for many of their dynasty years. There is no formula stating a good Oline does or does not make a team a winner. But it sounds like the Bucs lost because they had a good Oline, the Cowboys lost because they had a good Oline, and the Bengals reached the Super Bowl because they had a bad a Oline. Odd that they chose to upgrade the Oline in free agency.

 

[1maGoh]

Lumping yours and Dieter’s together

The guy on locked on Rams Podcast just said the rumor was that McVay wasn’t happy about the pick.
Maybe Snead got outsmarted or locked into his pick that he was sure would be there and had to scramble for another pick. Kind of like he was sure nobody was picking Wagner at the next few picks, when he traded.



I’ll use your own logic against you. If not for two gifts, two horrible passes by Tannehill the Bengals don’t reach the Super Bowl either just like Tampa Bay and Dallas.

I know you didn't ask for my opinion, but it sounds like you're proving his point. A couple of bad decisions/passes by a subpar QB kept the Titans from advancing in the playoffs.

 

[PARAM]

Football is the ultimate team sport. What happened to Seattles expected dynasty? They never replenished the offensive line.

If the line doesn’t matter why pay more than league minimum for any of them?

Do you need a top of the league center? No. But it’s a nice luxury.

The argument is full of holes.

Seattle's dynasty? What dynasty? Their team fell apart when the Legion of Boom fell apart.

Nobody said "the line doesn't matter".

It is a luxury. If you have all the weapons you desire, it's a great luxury.

The argument is full of holes? Yet that HOF Center saw 62 players get drafted before he was....meaning 30 teams pasted over him twice and 2 teams once. The Rams said, "we don't need a center" and lo and behold, they won the Superbowl!!!! But it was wrong. Tutu will never be a weapon. The Rams made a huge mistake passing over Humphrey.......because a certain faction of fans believed, a) they needed a center; b) he could have helped them win the SB and c) now they're fucked because they passed on him.

Which argument is full of holes?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I know you didn't ask for my opinion, but it sounds like you're proving his point. A couple of bad decisions/passes by a subpar QB kept the Titans from advancing in the playoffs.

Or you could say that the bengals got lucky. The Titans were leading up to that point. Should they even have been throwing the ball? You could credit Lou Anaro with his defensive scheme, which also stifled Mahomes, one of the best QBs in the game. So Tannehill failed and Mahomes. Do you equate one with the other?

The Chiefs were leading 21-3 at the half with a great QB and great weapons, but they lost. His point is not proven.