Talking Tutu (many of) you!

[PARAM]

It's that he is 57 155 that I am annoyed at.

He is not big enough to withstand the punishment.

One really bad hit and he was out for the year with a shoulder injury.

I do not see him lasting longer than 5 games any year with that physique.

Same issue I have with Kyler Murray - 8 games and he is done.

Tutu sucks so far. Very possible Rams FO fucked up the pick but no one bats 100. Our FO more often than not does well and that's what counts. Also doesn't matter if a position is considered a need or not because if they bust, fans and the team suffer regardless. So far not so good on the Tutu front but we shall see what happens when the time comes.

I agree Tutu sucks so far. But here's a question. Does he have to be a legit 55 snap WR to make that super valuable 2nd round pick worth it? Or can he prove valuable as a jet sweep, screen guy and deep threat to make it worth the pick? Cause for my money, it doesn't matter where you're picked as long as you help us win.

 

[AvengerRam]

It's that he is 57 155 that I am annoyed at.

He is not big enough to withstand the punishment.

One really bad hit and he was out for the year with a shoulder injury.

I do not see him lasting longer than 5 games any year with that physique.

Same issue I have with Kyler Murray - 8 games and he is done.

And Jacob Harris was injured because he’s what… too big?

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I agree Tutu sucks so far. But here's a question. Does he have to be a legit 55 snap WR to make that super valuable 2nd round pick worth it? Or can he prove valuable as a jet sweep, screen guy and deep threat to make it worth the pick? Cause for my money, it doesn't matter where you're picked as long as you help us win.

As long as we hit on our other picks, quite honestly it doesn't matter. However, it definitely stings us fans when we see a wasted pick because shit we want to hit on everything. The more home runs we hit on these picks, the more cap flexibility we'll have with these home runs while they are on their rookie contracts. Those missed opportunities suck but so far the Rams FO has rolled with the punches quite nicely. If Tutu contributes in anyway, it's definitely a positive, but me personally, I'd expect much more from a 2nd round pick. Regardless, time will tell where Tutu lands but he'll forever, fairly or not, be tied to picks that we could have had that have done better. Shit, even Les Snead has a Bobby Wagner rule lol

 

[Loyal]

And Jacob Harris was injured because he’s what… too big?

tall person hater!

 

[André]

I'm sure that this has been covered, but I'll repeat it: it's not Atwell's fault the Rams took him over Creed. I don't blame him for that (even though I definitely was screaming for Creed).

Where he may own some of the responsibility is his work ethic. When McVay calls you out publicly, it's not a good sign.

If he works hard and just can't get beyond his size limitations, then the fault lies with Snead for drafting him. If he doesn't pick up the playbook, or isn't putting the time into his study or his workouts ... well, that will be on him.

 

[AvengerRam]

tall person hater!

Hey, giraffe-boy! How’s the weather up there?

 

[PARAM]

If Tutu contributes in anyway, it's definitely a positive, but me personally, I'd expect much more from a 2nd round pick.

The only round I expect 'more' from is the first. But we don't have those. And being the "first pick" is not the same as the first round. From round 1 to 7 it's all about the salary structure and the extra year in the case of a first round pick.

Tutu stands to make about 2 mil more over 4 years than Hopkins ( 6 mil to 4 mil). As long as Snead keeps hitting on the lower round picks (Gaines, SJD, Fuller, Edwards, Allen etc.) he can take chances. Because the value evens out.

In fact I'd submit not having first round picks actually begs for a gamble or two to be taken.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

The only round I expect 'more' from is the first. But we don't have those. And being the "first pick" is not the same as the first round. From round 1 to 7 it's all about the salary structure and the extra year in the case of a first round pick.

Tutu stands to make about 2 mil more over 4 years than Hopkins ( 6 mil to 4 mil). As long as Snead keeps hitting on the lower round picks (Gaines, SJD, Fuller, Edwards, Allen etc.) he can take chances. Because the value evens out.

In fact I'd submit not having first round picks actually begs for a gamble or two to be taken.

The Rams hitting on those lower picks is exactly why if Tutu ultimately is a miss, it will be minimized for sure. However, missing in that round and that being our highest pick in that draft, it opens the pick up to more scrutiny. The nice part for us fans is that the Rams have been hitting on lower picks. I'll add that if we weren't hitting on those lower picks, that Tutu pick would be even more heavily scrutinized by fans and the media world as hitting on lower picks is more easily forgiven.

 

[PARAM]

The Rams hitting on those lower picks is exactly why if Tutu ultimately is a miss, it will be minimized for sure. However, missing in that round and that being our highest pick in that draft, it opens the pick up to more scrutiny. The nice part for us fans is that the Rams have been hitting on lower picks. I'll add that if we weren't hitting on those lower picks, that Tutu pick would be even more heavily scrutinized by fans and the media world as hitting on lower picks is more easily forgiven.

I guess there are a couple of ways to look at it. 'Being the first pick' in the draft is more important than the others....if it's in the first round. Tutu was our second pick in that draft. The only thing that opens that up to more scrutiny is imagination. Stafford was our first and we HIT on that one. Big time. Ramsey was the previous years first and we hit on him. Those HITS afford us a great opportunity to gamble on a small receiver with payoff potential.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I guess there are a couple of ways to look at it. 'Being the first pick' in the draft is more important than the others....if it's in the first round. Tutu was our second pick in that draft. The only thing that opens that up to more scrutiny is imagination. Stafford was our first and we HIT on that one. Big time. Ramsey was the previous years first and we hit on him. Those HITS afford us a great opportunity to gamble on a small receiver with payoff potential.

Luckily, we hit on Earnest Jones and still have time for others, even Tutu, to improve the hits we've made with this draft class. Now with that said I'm not confident in Tutu being part of that, but if he is, the more the merrier.

 

[So Ram]

Luckily, we hit on Earnest Jones and still have time for others, even Tutu, to improve the hits we've made with this draft class. Now with that said I'm not confident in Tutu being part of that, but if he is, the more the merrier.

You probably mean Ben Sko as a 7th rd pick.What his game will look like after another year learning with Cooper Kupp is going to be priceless.
The Rams traded back ? Niners ? for Ernest Jones ? RR31 will be steal.Big fan of the Brown Bro’s
Don’t understand how you can give up on a draft class that easy.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

You probably mean Ben Sko as a 7th rd pick.What his game will look like after another year learning with Cooper Kupp is going to be priceless.
The Rams traded back ? Niners ? for Ernest Jones ? RR31 will be steal.Big fan of the Brown Bro’s
Don’t understand how you can give up on a draft class that easy.

Who said I was giving up? Putting words in my mouth I see lol..... Earnest Jones is the only real starter from that draft so far so to me, we hit good there. The others still have to prove themselves, but they still have time. Gotta wait to see what Sko does to build on last year and Brown was non-existent, but I'll say it again, they have time.

 

[PARAM]

We know from watching football for 40 - 50 years, it takes a couple/three years to truly evaluate a draft class. Noteboom and Allen were busts. Then this off season fans wanted them resigned. Draft & DEVELOP. Some take longer than others.

 

[So Ram]

Who said I was giving up? Putting words in my mouth I see lol..... Earnest Jones is the only real starter from that draft so far so to me, we hit good there. The others still have to prove themselves, but they still have time. Gotta wait to see what Sko does to build on last year and Brown was non-existent, but I'll say it again, they have time.

True - RR31 will get there in near time.I’ve watched enough to see the development.Greg Gaines really came on this season.Thought SJD69 would have been missed more as an example.
I think he is the best pure CB other than RAMsey.Hill & Long play off each other as zone/slot CB who have good covering skills.RR31 will fill in for Williams spot imo.
Tutu is going to find it hard to get the ball all that much ? Jefferson & Allen are a head of him as well.

Your right Ernest Jones is going to get a lot of chances to be successful.Bobby Wagner should be an excellent mentor for him.He wore the green dot last season as a rookie which was very impressive for a 21 year old rookie

 

[Tano]

And Jacob Harris was injured because he’s what… too big?

Yes injuries do occur but I believe with Atwell's size that it will be a yearly occurring thing.

Tutu - prove me wrong

 

[PARAM]

Yes injuries do occur but I believe with Atwell's size that it will be a yearly occurring thing.

Tutu - prove me wrong

Forrest Lamp, 6'4", 310 lbs. was drafted in 2017. He played 16 games in 2020 and just 10 the other 4 years of his career.
Darren Sproles, 5'6" 190 lbs. was drafted in 2005. He played in 15 games 10 of his first 12 years.

Atwell was 5'9", 165 lbs when he was drafted. I don't know if he put on any weight after a year in the Rams building but he should have.

We'll see.

 

[Tano]

Forrest Lamp, 6'4", 310 lbs. was drafted in 2017. He played 16 games in 2020 and just 10 the other 4 years of his career.
Darren Sproles, 5'6" 190 lbs. was drafted in 2005. He played in 15 games 10 of his first 12 years.

Atwell was 5'9", 165 lbs when he was drafted. I don't know if he put on any weight after a year in the Rams building but he should have.

We'll see.

We could put injuries out there for hundreds of players but I have yet to see any player under 170 lbs play a long time in the NFL

I believe the 165 lbs was 10 lbs higher than reality but I do not know for sure.

What I want Tutu to do is gain 20 lbs minimum (if I am right about his weight) to get to 175 - right now his legs are twigs and he doesn't have much muscle up top. I would prefer he would get to 185 and I would feel much more comfortable with Tutu as a player.

 

[Merlin]

WR Roster ~ 6
Kupp
Robinson
>Beckham?<
Jefferson
Skow / Harris / Tutu

Skow should have a strong grasp of the system given how much he played his rookie season. Harris is a freak with size plus speed plus body control. If Beckham doesn't return looks like that will be our six but if he does Tutu has his work cut out.

Now some might wonder if we keep 7 but if Tutu can't beat out Harris and Skow it's unlikely they make room for him. He has some protection from that round 2 draft pick status but this will be year two and the Rams aren't fucking around. If he's disinterested or getting nicked up or doesn't fully have that offense down mentally he will be at risk of being traded somewhere he can put his feet up and coast.

 

[hotanez]

What I want Tutu to do is gain 20 lbs minimum (if I am right about his weight) to get to 175 - right now his legs are twigs and he doesn't have much muscle up top. I would prefer he would get to 185 and I would feel much more comfortable with Tutu as a player.

Easier said than done. Putting on 20lbs of muscle is extremely hard without drugs. All college players are weight lifting during their college career so how much more can they do in the pros? I bet most don't have their diets setup correctly but that can only take you so far. Genetics are the most important part of the equation and believe me Tutu is never going to have thick powerful wheels.
Hopefully the coaching staff can figure out what ways best to utilize him because it's definitely not at returner.

 

[Tano]

Easier said than done. Putting on 20lbs of muscle is extremely hard without drugs. All college players are weight lifting during their college career so how much more can they do in the pros? I bet most don't have their diets setup correctly but that can only take you so far. Genetics are the most important part of the equation and believe me Tutu is never going to have thick powerful wheels.
Hopefully the coaching staff can figure out what ways best to utilize him because it's definitely not at returner.

Oh I agree - that's why deep down I believe Tutu is going to be a complete bust.

But I still have hope.

As I said before - prove me wrong Tutu ... prove me wrong