Stafford and those 2 first-rounders - worth it?

[RamDino]

Stafford in 2020 (15 games): Comp% 64.2, 26 TDs, 10 INTs, Sck 38
Goff 2021 (13 games): Comp% 67%, 17 TDs, 8 INTs, Sck 34

Thread winner?

 

[gabriel18]

Does it really matter now ? The chips have already been shoved in the pot.

 

[Tano]

Couldn't have said it better.

Yes excellent post

I think a lot of us have been trying to say the same damn thing and couldn't it as well

 

[blackbart]

lol so much goff hate in here. i hope any year the rams are no longer sb contenders, goff is out there winning one. mostly just to spike so many haters here

Yeah that’s what this site is all about.

 

[Angry Ram]

Way I see it this is the problem with the Goff backers. Everything was always someone else's fault. McVay was at fault, bad calls and scheme. The OL was at fault. The receivers were at fault. But not Jared oh no, poor Jared getting screwed over by everyone else.

Yup.

You won't find a single person here acting that way about Stafford.

Also yup. MS has been criticized in a 4k+ season and 36 TDs. 13 picks is not good. Of course not. Here's the difference, after a JG TO, it was pretty much game over (or at least it felt that way). Like this huge mountain the entire team would have to climb over.

W/ MS, you know the game wasn't over and he can instantly bounce back on the next drive. And he has. Colts game is a great example.

And strangely enough it was exactly the same effect with Bradford, there was a group all over his nuts who worshipped the guy and could never see that he was a shitty QB. A QB who lacked the balls and competitive fire to play at a high level in the NFL. So I think it has a lot to do with buy-in and the fact that both were #1 overall picks taken by us. IMO that drives the fanaticism and absolute blindness to shortcomings.

So I've always been a Sam Bradford fan and think that competitive fire thing is a bit overblown. As much as I despised JG's seasons, it wasn't b/c of this supposed lack of fire.

I do disagree that SB was worshipped. As soon as he was traded to the Eagles he was ripped like no other on this board. Mainly b/c of his contract (which was an NFL thing not a Sam Bradford thing).

 

[snackdaddy]

Would we have won those games Stafford lost if we still had Goff? I doubt we beat the Cardinals, 49ers and Packers. The defense was pretty bad those games. Maybe the Titans. But would we have lost any games that Stafford won if we still had Goff. Probably.

My guess is we'd be a playoff team but maybe not a division winner with Goff. We'd be similar to last year where maybe we win a playoff game. But I doubt our odds to win it all would be as good with Goff. Stafford and all his warts are still our best chance to win a championship. All we can do is hope he limits the mistakes and the overall team plays well enough to win. Because when he's not making mistakes he can be really good.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

And the reason he has been sacked more than Goff is because Stafford holds the damn ball too long trying to make a big play.

There are a few times that he should have just thrown it away and we can kick the FG instead.

He lost Woods. Woods is a fantastic route runner. So he has Jefferson and Beckham trying to be Woods when neither fully knows the position in this offense nor runs routes as reliably.

 

[Tano]

He lost Woods. Woods is a fantastic route runner. So he has Jefferson and Beckham trying to be Woods when neither fully knows the position in this offense nor runs routes as reliably.

Yeah that has hurt but I still feel Stafford is trying to be Superman too often and his kryptonite is trying to make big plays when it isn't there

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yeah that has hurt but I still feel Stafford is trying to be Superman too often and his kryptonite is trying to make big plays when it isn't there

I think he’s needs to adjust to the idea that he cannot rely on Woods replacements all of the time.

 

[Angry Ram]

Would we have won those games Stafford lost if we still had Goff? I doubt we beat the Cardinals, 49ers and Packers. The defense was pretty bad those games. Maybe the Titans. But would we have lost any games that Stafford won if we still had Goff. Probably.

My guess is we'd be a playoff team but maybe not a division winner with Goff. We'd be similar to last year where maybe we win a playoff game. But I doubt our odds to win it all would be as good with Goff. Stafford and all his warts are still our best chance to win a championship. All we can do is hope he limits the mistakes and the overall team plays well enough to win. Because when he's not making mistakes he can be really good.

IDK if they would've beaten those 3 either. Everything has to be perfect and pristine for him to have success. He may have won one of the Cardinals game. Neither was easy this year, and even tho they've been playing like doodoo lately, they are still pretty good this year.

I doubt he would've beaten the Colts, Bucs, and possibly the first Seattle game.

But yeah I'd shudder to think how the season would be now, even if they were in playoff contention. I like this concept of seeing the "X" next to LAR rather than "in the hunt" or "outside looking in" with the hope of just getting in.

 

[RamsSince1969]

Staffords "mistakes" are completely fixable. When it's a dump off pass, to the outside, when the ball is on their own 30 or less, just don't do it. Throw the ball out of bounds if everyone is covered. Punt or take the sack.

 

[nighttrain]

There is no correct answer to this question. There are just too many variables to consider when comparing the two QB's. Everyone wants to focus on stats, well look at Goff's first two years under McVay... they are quite impressive. And then the Rams lost Gurley and EVERYTHING changed. And the Rams 3rd WR became Josh Reynolds instead of Sammy Watkins or Brandin Cooks. And Kupp got hurt during the latter half of Goff's last 2 seasons. And Blythe did get abused by some of the better D-tackles in the league (Jets, Miami, etc), whereas Stafford has a much better line this year. I will agree that Goff does not appear to read defenses as well as Stafford, but Stafford is willing to get killed, ala Kurt Warner, to get the pass off. Hopefully he can stay healthy. But there is no way to compare the two QB's with all of the injuries, trades, drafts, etc. Teams are very much different year to year. I mean it's fun to discuss, but some of you are taking this personally. I liked Goff, a lot. I like Stafford... a lot. That is all.

Besides losing Gurley, which was huge, Rams also lost center Sullivan and started Blythe, who was a freakin turnstyle
train

 

[Ramlock]

He didn't do that against the Vikings.

He's had a very good year this year but I want to see more

Was referring to Goff

Minnesota Vikings at Los Angeles Rams 2018 REG 4 - Game Center

26-33, 465 yards, 5 TDs

 

[Ramlock]

Yeah that has hurt but I still feel Stafford is trying to be Superman too often and his kryptonite is trying to make big plays when it isn't there

Need to let that sink in.

I think McVay’s play calling along with Stafford, is calling for Superman throws…no dinks.

 

[Tano]

Need to let that sink in.

I think McVay’s play calling along with Stafford, is calling for Superman throws…no dinks.

Oh I agree -sometimes when I look at those passes again, I do not see a viable outlet

 

[Ramlock]

I think he’s needs to adjust to the idea that he cannot rely on Woods replacements all of the time.

Cannot put a value on the loss of Woods to this offense…Woods has been a huge piece since 2017, over both QB tenures.

 

[Ramlock]

losing Gurley

Generational talent loss

 

[Corbin]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4aVvEt3oJQ


Stafford -1 Game with these stats, next week an apple for apple comparison of 16 games.

The Upgrade at QB is worth it and at a cheap price. Stafford had no Cam Akers and now Robert Woods and random players and still producing better.

 

[Merlin]

Cowherd makes great arguments. The nature of the Rams' picks is interesting too (their first rounders being guaranteed to be late round) and speaks to how Goff factored in wrt making it happen IMO.

"It can be argued that he will get better."

"What if he plays 6 more years? 8 more years?"

Indeed.

 

[Ellard80]

one thing to remember about out 1st round picks ( Cowherd brings this up) - they are always at the bottom of the 1st round - because mcvay is good.

so its not like we are giving up top 5 1st round picks