QB Hints

[Elmgrovegnome]

Drafting a QB with their first pick doesn’t help the Rams win the Super Bowl in the next two years. They need to draft a few players that can help them accomplish that. Take a QB later. None of these QBs are great and all are more likely not to succeed as viable starters.

 

[fanotodd]

Nice thought but your proposal isn't anywhere close to even on the trade chart. No team is giving up a future 1st just to move up 11 slots.

If we want a future 1st, here are two trades that are even:

26 for 64 and a 2026 1st; or

26, 90, 101 for 37 and a 2026 1st

Yeah, the raider example was not a good one. I saw the chart afterwards and was surprised to see how much the value decreased in the 1rst round as you moved down.

But having a couple 1rsts next year makes grabbing a QB a legitimate idea. I’m all for drafting someone in the later rounds and trying to develop them, but is it realistic to think that player is going to be much more than a backup? I’m for taking a shot if that’s all there is, but the odds aren’t great he will be the future franchise QB.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Drafting a QB with their first pick doesn’t help the Rams win the Super Bowl in the next two years. They need to draft a few players that can help them accomplish that. Take a QB later. None of these QBs are great and all are more likely not to succeed as viable starters.

As I recall selecting Jordan Love lit a fire under Aaron Rodgers and he turned in two MVP seasons. Maybe it could do the same for Stafford.

I don't believe that anyone is saying to select a QB just for the sake of selecting a QB. But, if there is one on the board at their selection in the first round that they love it would be foolish to pass on him.

Other positions drafted later have a far higher success rate than QB.

 

[PhillyRam]

One guy I am not real high on is Milroe, however of all the QBs being discussed, he could actually play a role in the offense next year as a gadget guy.

I watched his highlights and I guess I never realized how explosive he is as a runner. Unreal speed and quickness at 225 lbs. I could see McVay using him in goal line, 4th & 1, and just jet sweeps or fake jet sweeps to help the run game by making the D focus on him, and then the occasional trick play.

Of course they would have a lot of work to do with his passing ability. Big arm, accuracy & touch is the obvious issue. Could he sit for 2 years and become something?

 

[Merlin]

One guy I am not real high on is Milroe, however of all the QBs being discussed, he could actually play a role in the offense next year as a gadget guy.

I watched his highlights and I guess I never realized how explosive he is as a runner. Unreal speed and quickness at 225 lbs. I could see McVay using him in goal line, 4th & 1, and just jet sweeps or fake jet sweeps to help the run game by making the D focus on him, and then the occasional trick play.

Of course they would have a lot of work to do with his passing ability. Big arm, accuracy & touch is the obvious issue. Could he sit for 2 years and become something?

Certainly possible. He really is gifted as a run threat, but again in the NFL you must be able to win from that pocket IMO if you want to survive long years and get the most from that position. Being dependent on read option concepts can help a young QB early on in slowing the rush as they sweat the contain, but as you get older you lose speed and defenses become accustomed over time to stopping those concepts as more running QBs proliferate. It's like being dependent on the outside zone, defenses learn after years of Shanahan family run game terror how to shut it down and now even Shanny has to mix in power concepts.

But if you can win from the pocket the only way to stop it is pass rush. And if you have strong protections then the other team must have a great secondary and offball types too in order to snuff out threats underneath and over the top.

I think Milroe slides behind some of these other guys due to his need to develop more than them in the pass game. But I agree that does put him in that group that the Rams may favor, just as it does with Dart, as they have the starter and backup quality in place to where any QB they take gets an easy and very comfortable redshirt.

So basically if you are a QB in this draft and you fall to the Rams somewhere, at any pick really, it's like winning the lottery I think.

 

[PhillyRam]

Certainly possible. He really is gifted as a run threat, but again in the NFL you must be able to win from that pocket IMO if you want to survive long years and get the most from that position. Being dependent on read option concepts can help a young QB early on in slowing the rush as they sweat the contain, but as you get older you lose speed and defenses become accustomed over time to stopping those concepts as more running QBs proliferate. It's like being dependent on the outside zone, defenses learn after years of Shanahan family run game terror how to shut it down and now even Shanny has to mix in power concepts.

But if you can win from the pocket the only way to stop it is pass rush. And if you have strong protections then the other team must have a great secondary and offball types too in order to snuff out threats underneath and over the top.

I think Milroe slides behind some of these other guys due to his need to develop more than them in the pass game. But I agree that does put him in that group that the Rams may favor, just as it does with Dart, as they have the starter and backup quality in place to where any QB they take gets an easy and very comfortable redshirt.

So basically if you are a QB in this draft and you fall to the Rams somewhere, at any pick really, it's like winning the lottery I think.

I am looking at it also as a guy that can help you this year with McVay's innovated playcalls as a gadget guy. Adds explosiveness to the offense if they can get him the ball in certain situations.

Not sold that he can develop into a QB1. That will ultimately come down to whether they think he has the mental make up to become that guy, which includes intelligence, coachability, and one thing McShay said about him is he needs to get out of the weight room. He has to become more flexible and not as bulked up and stiff. Interesting thought. Maybe he can be convinced of that.

 

[Flatlyner]

One guy I am not real high on is Milroe, however of all the QBs being discussed, he could actually play a role in the offense next year as a gadget guy.

I watched his highlights and I guess I never realized how explosive he is as a runner. Unreal speed and quickness at 225 lbs. I could see McVay using him in goal line, 4th & 1, and just jet sweeps or fake jet sweeps to help the run game by making the D focus on him, and then the occasional trick play.

Of course they would have a lot of work to do with his passing ability. Big arm, accuracy & touch is the obvious issue. Could he sit for 2 years and become something?

I agree with this. He is one of the only QB's that we could pick that would almost certainly contribute something this year. McVay did mention he wanted to have a more versatile offense, this would do the trick.

 

[PhillyRam]

I agree with this. He is one of the only QB's that we could pick that would almost certainly contribute something this year. McVay did mention he wanted to have a more versatile offense, this would do the trick.

He also would not threaten Stafford for at least 2 tears so it gives Stafford the idea that he can easily be back next year without any drama. A guy like Dart may wow the crowd enough in preseason or during a short back up stint that it could throw that into question and create controversy.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

One guy I am not real high on is Milroe, however of all the QBs being discussed, he could actually play a role in the offense next year as a gadget guy.

I watched his highlights and I guess I never realized how explosive he is as a runner. Unreal speed and quickness at 225 lbs. I could see McVay using him in goal line, 4th & 1, and just jet sweeps or fake jet sweeps to help the run game by making the D focus on him, and then the occasional trick play.

Of course they would have a lot of work to do with his passing ability. Big arm, accuracy & touch is the obvious issue. Could he sit for 2 years and become something?

Yeah, Milroe could be useful in some ways but I doubt he ever develops into a starting QB. I think the Seahawks head coach may be looking at him as the next Lamar Jackson. They have two second rounders and two thirds. They could pick him early.

I think he could have an immediate impact as a wildcat type of Read option on a few plays.

 

[dieterbrock]

Rams might have to draft Milroe at #26 if they want him, I doubt he makes it to them in Round 3.

 

[den-the-coach]

Rams might have to draft Milroe at #26 if they want him, I doubt he makes it to them in Round 3.

I am not his biggest fan I hope that is not the plan.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Highly doubt Rams are going to target any QB with their 1st pick. We have other needs for a team with Superbowl aspirations. My guess is that they draft one no earlier than the 3rd if they do want to target one higher. However with that said I'll take a stab at it and guess they'll draft a QB in the 4th rd.

 

[PhillyRam]

Rams might have to draft Milroe at #26 if they want him, I doubt he makes it to them in Round 3.

If they target him for his overall ability where he could impact games next year as a gadget, hopefully they trade back into rd 2 and get an extra 3rd and a 5th, to get those extra picks to still address CB, LB etc...

 

[dieterbrock]

I am not his biggest fan I hope that is not the plan.

I may be his biggest fan but also agree that shouldnt be the plan.
If he goes before the Rams 3rd round I'm shifting to McCord (also assuming Shough is gone)

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

As I recall selecting Jordan Love lit a fire under Aaron Rodgers and he turned in two MVP seasons. Maybe it could do the same for Stafford.

I don't believe that anyone is saying to select a QB just for the sake of selecting a QB. But, if there is one on the board at their selection in the first round that they love it would be foolish to pass on him.

Other positions drafted later have a far higher success rate than QB.

Jordan Love was a true first round talent. I don’t think Stafford felt that drafting Stetson Bennett lit a fire under him.

I’m not even sure Sanders should be considered a first round talent much less anyone rated below him.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Jordan Love was a true first round talent. I don’t think Stafford felt that drafting Stetson Bennett lit a fire under him.

I’m not even sure Sanders should be considered a first round talent much less anyone rated below him.

Jordan Love was a borderline 1st round talent at best. He threw 17 INTs vs. 20 TDs his final season in college for goodness sakes. His nfl.com draft profile even says 1st OR 2nd round (Interestingly enough he was selected #26 overall).

I'm sure a late 4th round selected QB (Bennett) advertised as a backup wouldn't light a fire under any starter. That's no comparison to a team using a 1st round selection on a QB.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Jordan Love was a borderline 1st round talent at best. He threw 17 INTs vs. 20 TDs his final season in college for goodness sakes. His nfl.com draft profile even says 1st OR 2nd round (Interestingly enough he was selected #26 overall).

I'm sure a late 4th round selected QB (Bennett) advertised as a backup wouldn't light a fire under any starter. That's no comparison to a team using a 1st round selection on a QB.

I think in this draft, Love would be the second best QB, and a clear first rounder, likely top ten.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I think in this draft, Love would be the second best QB, and a clear first rounder, likely top ten.

I don't, but the key is what does McSnead thinks. But I'll say it again if the are in love with a QB on the board at #26, they would be foolish to pass on said player.

 

[PhillyRam]

I don't, but the key is what does McSnead thinks. But I'll say it again if the are in love with a QB on the board at #26, they would be foolish to pass on said player.

Agree, and with a coach like McVay, they won't draft a QB for the sake of drafting a QB. They will have to love that QB since they are looking for a potential future starter.

It won't be like the drafting of Bennett, where they were looking for a potential cheap competent backup since they had major cap issues. So they took a 25 yr old rookie with big game experience. I don’t believe they ever looked at him as a future starter.

This time it's all about finding a future starter that can sit and learn for a year or two, but has the tools to win NFL games.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Agree, and with a coach like McVay, they won't draft a QB for the sake of drafting a QB. They will have to love that QB since they are looking for a potential future starter.

It won't be like the drafting of Bennett, where they were looking for a potential cheap competent backup since they had major cap issues. So they took a 25 yr old rookie with big game experience. I don’t believe they ever looked at him as a future starter.

This time it's all about finding a future starter that can sit and learn for a year or two, but has the tools to win NFL games.

I hope they don’t. I don’t see that QB in this draft. Not at 26.