OLD THREAD-Trade (speculation) Matt Stafford

[12intheBox]

Well they both had 0 turnovers in the playoffs. So that's even right?
Oh, wait a minute...

They also both had 0 playoff wins

That’s right, the Seattle win went statistically to Wolf.

 

[OldSchool]

I meant that when given the choice between Goff and Wolford in a win or go home game - Coach went with the Wolf.

I’m not saying that the Wolf is our long term solution or that McV thinks he is. I’m just saying - we saw who the choice was.

Yeah a broken thumb that had pins put in it a few days before didn't have any bearing on that decision

 

[12intheBox]

You mean in a game when Goff was inactive after surgery on his thumb? Or a game that Wolford couldnt make it thru a quarter because he got his bell rung?

I mean a win or go home playoff game where both QBs were active. In that game - Coach McVay - who has forgotten more about football than either of us will ever know - who has full and complete access to both of these guys - in that game, Coach decided to go with the Wolf.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

I've thought the Kershaw-Stafford connection was kind of neat and the media would probably have fun about them being "reunited" in LA, but as far as being an upgrade for the Rams, no, I don't see it.

View: https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/matthew-stafford-realizes-the-lions-are-a-comedy-not-a-tragedy-gridironheights/390922491574463/

I hope that’s a phone in his pocket.

 

[12intheBox]

Yeah a broken thumb that had pins put in it a few days before didn't have any bearing on that decision

Healthy enough to be active - healthy enough that we only dressed 2QBs.

 

[OldSchool]

They also both had 0 playoff wins

That’s right, the Seattle win went statistically to Wolf.

wow that's impressive! He got knocked out his first drive and led us to victory! Is that like Eagles fans claiming Wentz won them a SB? The lengths gone to shit on Jared Goff are truly amazing!

 

[OldSchool]

Healthy enough to be active - healthy enough that we only dressed 2QBs.

You keep doing you and hate on our QB this is so fun to watch revisionist history.

 

[12intheBox]

You keep doing you and hate on our QB this is so fun to watch revisionist history.

All I can be is me. Blind loyalty to any player has never been my thing. I want the team to win and I don’t have confidence that Goff is our guy. If he is out there in a Rams uniform - I’ll be cheering for him. But when we all play armchair GM - I’m gonna call it like I see it.

 

[RamFan503]

Mariota is a good kid. I don't know about being our starter but at the right price, he could be what people like about Wolford with more upside. He could also be a good option against certain defenses.

 

[Allen2McVay]

They also both had 0 playoff wins

That’s right, the Seattle win went statistically to Wolf.

That’s weak.

 

[Merlin]

Merlin, QB salaries aren't stupid. They're a recognition that in the NFL, you either have a QB or you don't. If you don't, you're likely not going to be competitive. It's the most important position on the field, so teams are desperate to keep their QBs and pay a premium. It's supply and demand. Demand is high, and supply is low. As far as hiring Kingsbury goes, when push came to shove, McVay hired Kevin O'Connell. There were plenty of other college coaches he could have pursued.

I think the NFL is going to transition to what college is. QBs in the next era of ball will be paid when they're great but all these mediocre QBs who are riding the coat tails right now will be replaced every year by fresh legs from the draft.

The model is out of whack IMO and that is the result. And I also think McVay is going to lead it. But yes I may be crazy because I'm hitting the bong it makes me like you guys more.

 

[jrry32]

I mean a win or go home playoff game where both QBs were active. In that game - Coach McVay - who has forgotten more about football than either of us will ever know - who has full and complete access to both of these guys - in that game, Coach decided to go with the Wolf.

And we all understood why as soon as Goff started playing. We even better understood why when they showed a close-up on his thumb on the sidelines. Yet, Wolford has been on this team for how long? Why didn't he start over a healthy Goff at any point?

 

[jrry32]

I think the NFL is going to transition to what college is. QBs in the next era of ball will be paid when they're great but all these mediocre QBs who are riding the coat tails right now will be replaced every year by fresh legs from the draft.

The model is out of whack IMO and that is the result. And I also think McVay is going to lead it. But yes I may be crazy because I'm hitting the bong it makes me like you guys more.

College and the NFL are apples to oranges. You can't keep your QB in college. Trust me, if these programs could, they would. Unless you have a coach who has a Mike Martzian ability to evaluate QBs, I think you'll only end up shooting your franchise in the foot by doing that. And if your coach is that good at evaluating QBs, why would you have to resort to that? Go find your Mahomes, Watson, Brees, etc.

 

[12intheBox]

That’s weak.

It was a response to a comparison of Stafford and Goffs playoffs stats this year. So yeah - I went there.

 

[Deac]

Speculation is whoever trades for Stafford, it will be done by Superbowl.

 

[Merlin]

College and the NFL are apples to oranges. You can't keep your QB in college. Trust me, if these programs could, they would. Unless you have a coach who has a Mike Martzian ability to evaluate QBs, I think you'll only end up shooting your franchise in the foot by doing that. And if your coach is that good at evaluating QBs, why would you have to resort to that? Go find your Mahomes, Watson, Brees, etc.

There are things that translate. Organizations are going to find solutions to problems in creative ways. The college game's solution to the NFL poaching their QBs was to open the game up spread it out and use athletic ability. The NFL has gotten themselves into a situation where QBs are paid so much due to the extreme difficulty of what defenses present at that level. So the creative adjustment will apply to that model in the same way.

The NFL's future is athleticism and point-guard distribution of the ball to playmakers. McVay is going to be in tune with that and I think he'll take it a next step with a model that allows for less QB position investment.

If I'm wrong and he doesn't that's ok someone else will. But I think there are indicators McVay is looking that route now and if he makes it work teams are going to follow because he's a rock star.

 

[dieterbrock]

I meant that when given the choice between Goff and Wolford in a win or go home game - Coach went with the Wolf.

I’m not saying that the Wolf is our long term solution or that McV thinks he is. I’m just saying - we saw who the choice was.

Between Goff (6 days removed from thumb surgery) and Wolford

 

[dieterbrock]

They also both had 0 playoff wins

That’s right, the Seattle win went statistically to Wolf.

Hardly. You want to credit the Seattle win to Wolford, you are lost

 

[Boston Ram]

I think the NFL is going to transition to what college is. QBs in the next era of ball will be paid when they're great but all these mediocre QBs who are riding the coat tails right now will be replaced every year by fresh legs from the draft.

The model is out of whack IMO and that is the result. And I also think McVay is going to lead it. But yes I may be crazy because I'm hitting the bong it makes me like you guys more.

I actually almost fully agree with some tweeks.

I think the model is going to be to win with a QB on a rookie deal. With QBs on rookie deals you can surround them with more talent. Think when the Rams had Goff. They loaded up on the line and on defense. Short term contract and trades. Philly did something similar. Both teams went to SBs and one team won one. Goff is a really good QB with a really good line like he was in our SB year. He was as good as any QB. When Saffold and Sully left he regressed.

You need a really good QB to make a SB run but look at all the really good QBs that can’t even make it to the big game. You need cap space more to surround good QBs with talent to make them very good to great QBs. Even the teams that made the playoffs on Brees, Rodgers and Roth had been with their current teams for more that 8 years. Brady and Rivers were 1 or 2 year deals cuz they were a QB away. Wilson is a bit of an outlier but his salary comes at the expense of no offensive line.

Considering Brees and Rodgers have had the amazing careers that they have they have been to the same amount of SBs as Goff and Wentz. Pretty sure Rodgers won when he was on a rookie contract too.

My point? If you have a good young QB on a cheap contract you have a better shot to win and rinse repeat every 5 years. Have a QB in the wings so you don’t spend on that 2nd contract to a QB. Easier said then done of course....and please mention Brady cuz he screws up my point lol

 

[12intheBox]

Hardly. You want to credit the Seattle win to Wolford, you are lost

It’s the way the NFL keeps the stat. Look it up