Kyren Williams future discussion

[dieterbrock]

Yeah, but leads the league in fumbles over the last 2 years. How much does that offset the TD production?

It doesnt. Stafford led the league in INT, and they won a SB
He has to clean it up, nobody disagrees. But what he does great, cant just be replaced. His run in the 4th closed out the game today, something the team has desperately needed

 

[DzRams]

It doesnt. Stafford led the league in INT, and they won a SB
He has to clean it up, nobody disagrees. But what he does great, cant just be replaced. His run in the 4th closed out the game today, something the team has desperately needed

Fair point. I'll admit I have a hard time knowing how to value a RB with fumblitis.

I've always seen it differently than INTs for a QB because QBs have always fluctuated in that stat. I struggle to trust any RB again once they start fumbling a lot. Kyren now increases my blood pressure.

 

[Ramsker]

I like Kyren and I like Corum. I thought they did a better job of mixing them both in today. Hopefully Corum will see more touches moving forward. It only helps to take some of the risk out of Kyren (and Corum for that matter). Injury and fumble risk that is. Keeps them both fresh.

I don't think I would be a big payer for Kyren to keep him a Ram though, would like to keep him with a reasonable price but not a #1 back price.

 

[TexasRam]

Depends. Too early to tell.
How much will he command in FA?
How will Corum look by then?
What will our Salary Cap room look like then?
What other Needs will we have by then?
Will the ball security issues continue?

I still think his vision, goal line ability and pass blocking would be very very difficult to replace.

 

[HitStick]

I like Kyren and I like Corum. I thought they did a better job of mixing them both in today. Hopefully Corum will see more touches moving forward. It only helps to take some of the risk out of Kyren (and Corum for that matter). Injury and fumble risk that is. Keeps them both fresh.

I don't think I would be a big payer for Kyren to keep him a Ram though, would like to keep him with a reasonable price but not a #1 back price.

It’s so hard to judge Kyren because I flip flop on my stance constantly. When the line can get some push, he looks dominant (minus the breakaway speed) and looks like a player that would be a difference maker, but if the line isn’t perfect, he doesn’t seem like he’s quite quick enough to make something out of nothing.

 

[Ellard80]

It doesnt. Stafford led the league in INT, and they won a SB
He has to clean it up, nobody disagrees. But what he does great, cant just be replaced. His run in the 4th closed out the game today, something the team has desperately needed

Comparing INT's and fumbles is a bad comparison - INT are x100 more common.

Some Running backs go consecutive seasons without fumbling.

 

[dieterbrock]

Comparing INT's and fumbles is a bad comparison - INT are x100 more common.

Some Running backs go consecutive seasons without fumbling.

Turnovers are turnovers. A pick 6 is a worse mistake than a fumble.
It is a problem, not saying it isnt.
But I'm not throwing out the baby with the bath water here. Kyren's TD production is some of the best in the team's history.
He has a legit chance of back to back 15 TD seasons, which only Faulk and Gurley have done

 

[Ellard80]

Turnovers are turnovers. A pick 6 is a worse mistake than a fumble.
It is a problem, not saying it isnt.
But I'm not throwing out the baby with the bath water here. Kyren's TD production is some of the best in the team's history.
He has a legit chance of back to back 15 TD seasons, which only Faulk and Gurley have done

I'm not arguing with you about giving up on Kyren.

A Quarterback has less than 10 INT in a season - thats elite. A running back has 9 fumbles in a season - prob will never play again.

It's a silly comparison.

 

[snackdaddy]

In college Corum looked like he had similar quick step explosiveness to Kyren. So far he looks a step slower. Still a decent back but not on Kyren's level. Maybe he's still trying to feel his way to let it happen naturally? I think Kyren needs to be re-signed. Not sure Corum can do what he does.

 

[dieterbrock]

I'm not arguing with you about giving up on Kyren.

A Quarterback has less than 10 INT in a season - thats elite. A running back has 9 fumbles in a season - prob will never play again.

It's a silly comparison.

Well for one it's apples to oranges. Fumbles lost are the issue, unless you want to count "almost picked off" passes or dropped. Kyren lost 2 in '23 (both in same game) and has lost 3 this year.
Stafford has 50 turnovers in 53 games as a Ram, almost 1 per game (heck, has more fumbles this year than Kyren). Doesnt matter because he makes up for it letter and verse. Kyren has 5 turnovers in his last 24 games, but has scored 27 touchdowns in that time frame.
I agree its a silly comparison because it's putting blinders on to one side, therefore not a comparison at all

 

[Ram_Rally]

Ashton Jeanty will be a top 5 pick, we ain't gettin' that RB baller.

Even still Omarion Hampton and khaleb Johnson are in reach.

 

[Ram_Rally]

Kyren is fine but he just doesn't do anyone probably irreplaceable imo.

 

[Ellard80]

Well for one it's apples to oranges. Fumbles lost are the issue, unless you want to count "almost picked off" passes or dropped. Kyren lost 2 in '23 (both in same game) and has lost 3 this year.
Stafford has 50 turnovers in 53 games as a Ram, almost 1 per game (heck, has more fumbles this year than Kyren). Doesnt matter because he makes up for it letter and verse. Kyren has 5 turnovers in his last 24 games, but has scored 27 touchdowns in that time frame.
I agree its a silly comparison because it's putting blinders on to one side, therefore not a comparison at all

Stafford does not have more fumbles this year than kyren.

Compare running back turnovers to other running back turnovers.

Comparing to a Quarterback is ridiculous.

 

[JonRam99]

No way we let a back like KW go without a superior replacement. This kid gets you 6 - 8 yds almost every time he runs. His vision is great, better than Gurley's who often ran into the backs of our OL when green grass was to be had. Idc that he doesn't have "breakaway speed", in the RZ he's deadly & is a legit threat when he's on the field.
I remember when we were all trying to find positives out of the likes of Tre Mason, Stacy, Cunningham, etc. And after Gurley, who'd we have? Cam Akers? he wasn't terrible but guyz, he's not in KW's league as a RB. And KW was a 5th rounder, talk about outplaying your draft pick.
We really need to extend this kid after the season, then see what pops up in the draft -- will Jeanty be available? really we need a big bruiser to complement KW. Corum is great, but he's KW's understudy - we either need some lightning or some thunder at RB2.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I think he's the type of player you replace instead of paying. Has gotten nicked up a lot during his time here. Fumbles issues this year. And doesn't have that game-breaking extra gear. Good HB, but he's not an elite player at his position. Draft a replacement to pair with Corum (who will hopefully pan out).

Good points. RB is a position where there's usually a bevy of cheap, available talent in the draft every year (including a few game breakers) so the idea that you draft a RB every year or almost every year is good business. Because of this, it just seems like there are too many variables with what's avail every year in the draft to make a decision on KW till the last possible moment.

RBs are in a position of being less valued in the league however some people will point to Saquan, Henry and Jacobs to make an argument that they shouldn't be or the worm has turned. But I do think these guys are the exceptions to the rule. Additionally, each are benefiting from either great olines or a plethora of weapons that open things up for them this year.

But, who knows what will be available in next year or so or how KW does in another year.

It's a boring answer but usually right with any decision outside of a franchise QB.

Wait and see... Wait and see...

*ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL (which they never are), I'd rather us throw resources at tackle than RB in general. Leave Saquan on the Giants with that oline and we're not even close to the season he's having now

 

[WestCoastRam]

Depends. Too early to tell.
How much will he command in FA?
How will Corum look by then?
What will our Salary Cap room look like then?
What other Needs will we have by then?
Will the ball security issues continue?

I still think his vision, goal line ability and pass blocking would be very very difficult to replace.

This is the way

 

[JonRam99]

I think he's the type of player you replace instead of paying. Has gotten nicked up a lot during his time here. Fumbles issues this year. And doesn't have that game-breaking extra gear. Good HB, but he's not an elite player at his position. Draft a replacement to pair with Corum (who will hopefully pan out).

ya maybe, but unless / until we can actually *replace* him with a true stud RB with that extra gear, he's the best RB we've had since Gurley, and better than many we had before TGII was drafted, prolly since SJax tbh.
I've not seen a Rams RB run with his vision, patience & balance in a long, long time. I'd even state for the record that his vision at RB is the best we've had since MF.
Of course I'd take all the aforementioned greats at RB before KW, but c'mon... saying we can just replace him is easier said than done.
We really need to table this discussion until after the draft & F/A.

 

[dieterbrock]

Stafford does not have more fumbles this year than kyren.

Compare running back turnovers to other running back turnovers.

Comparing to a Quarterback is ridiculous.

Moving the goal posts huh? I've already said we dont care so much when a QB turns it over, when they make up for it elsewhere.
Btw, Stafford has 6 fumbles this year, Kyren 5
5 turnovers in 24 games while scoring 27 td's in same time frame is a guy worth working with, not replacing

 

[Ellard80]

Moving the goal posts huh? I've already said we dont care so much when a QB turns it over, when they make up for it elsewhere.
Btw, Stafford has 6 fumbles this year, Kyren 5
5 turnovers in 24 games while scoring 27 td's in same time frame is a guy worth working with, not replacing

I was looking at lost fumbles which is what you referred to initially - Stafford has 2 fumbles lost (6 fumbles overal), That is moving the goal post lol. Comparing a Quarterbacks fumbles to a running back is assnine anyway.

I like how you are talking out both sides of your ass. Telling me we dont care so much about QB turnovers than comparing kyrens turnovers to a Quarterback. Your entire argument is a comparison to Stafford.

I heard on the radio today about how Bo Nix is playing well because he has only 1 turnover in last 5 games. You would never hear anything like this about a running back - because by the nature of the game QB's turn the ball over more.

Like imagine if Walter Payton had the same career turnovers as Peyton manning?

Actually that would have never happned because he would have been cut after his first 10 fumble season.

 

[jrry32]

ya maybe, but unless / until we can actually *replace* him with a true stud RB with that extra gear, he's the best RB we've had since Gurley, and better than many we had before TGII was drafted, prolly since SJax tbh.
I've not seen a Rams RB run with his vision, patience & balance in a long, long time. I'd even state for the record that his vision at RB is the best we've had since MF.
Of course I'd take all the aforementioned greats at RB before KW, but c'mon... saying we can just replace him is easier said than done.
We really need to table this discussion until after the draft & F/A.

It depends on his price tag. It's a resource allocation issue. This is a deep draft w/r/t HBs. I'd look for his replacement. It's a business. It requires hard decisions.