Hole at WR is a problem

  • To unlock all of features of Rams On Demand please take a brief moment to register. Registering is not only quick and easy, it also allows you access to additional features such as live chat, private messaging, and a host of other apps exclusive to Rams On Demand.

RamsOfCastamere

I drink things, and know nothing
Joined
Aug 10, 2013
Messages
8,352
Exactly.
Higgins being franchised is probably the best thing for the Rams. He’s terribly over rated and will get massively over paid. Glad it won’t be the Rams who will be doing it.
How is he overrated? He's a tall, big-body receiver with strong hands. There aren't many of them in the NFL. I'm not saying I'm willing to pay him that kind of cash but I don't think he's overrated.
 

CGI_Ram

Hamburger Connoisseur
Moderator
Joined
Jun 28, 2010
Messages
49,825
Name
Burger man
DK Metcalf would be my favorite option, even though it’s extremely unlikely.

He’s not always dominating but he’s had mediocre QB’s throwing him the ball. Geno Smith is no Matt Stafford.
 

Mojo Ram

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Feb 3, 2013
Messages
23,780
Name
mojo
Things I think on this. In the event that there’s no Kupp…

Puka is #1

Im okay with Drob and Whit battling for #3. Hoping Whit finds a next level.

I’m okay with Tutu, Tyler Johnson and other JAGS battling for #4

Need a dynamic #2 with speed that isn’t a Tutu or a Van Jefferson.
If we can’t get that guy, we shift to adding an elite pass catching, dynamic TE. That would mean settling at WR2. Getting both would be great but not likely.

My bottom line: Need to hit on two Alpha competitive, dynamic, speedy, explosive difference makers…
1) WR or TE
2) RB
 

den-the-coach

Fifty-four Forty or Fight
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Jan 16, 2013
Messages
23,515
Name
Dennis
One of:
Davante Adams
Darius Slayton
Stefon Diggs
Hollywood Brown
Elijah Moore

And draft a receiver with one of the first two picks and we're good.
I agree and hoping for Slayton. In his prime, fast and affordable plus a draft choice.
 

FrantikRam

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Oct 16, 2013
Messages
4,963
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #25
It never felt like Ebuka was creating very much separation. I've felt he was a little overrated his entire tenure at Ohio State. It also seems like he projects best as a slot WR, doesn't have deep speed.

He's sort of like a worse version of Smith-Ngijba.

I think if we had a legit outside, down the field threat already he could work here. But I think there is bust potential, and I am sick of not having a legit downfield threat - I think it is holding this offense back.
 

Ramstien

Hall of Fame
Joined
Oct 15, 2016
Messages
2,686
Name
Ramstien
I would hope to see the Rams use their first three picks in this draft on WR, TE, or CB and not necessarily in that order. First round pick needs to be the best player available at one of these three positions.
 

dieterbrock

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Jan 3, 2013
Messages
25,549
How is he overrated? He's a tall, big-body receiver with strong hands. There aren't many of them in the NFL. I'm not saying I'm willing to pay him that kind of cash but I don't think he's overrated.
He’s a good WR, wouldn’t say great. Surely not worth the money he’s commanding.
 

Merlin

Damn the torpedoes
Rams On Demand Sponsor
ROD Credit | 2023 TOP Member
Joined
May 8, 2014
Messages
41,939
First I'd say that the X role has been a hole for us for years now. So it is not like we must fill it. Sure would be nice, but I wouldn't call it critical.

The critical need is Slot, that weapon for over the middle, that makes McVay's offense go. And for that role the player must have specific traits IMO. He must separate quickly, i.e. have that combo of short area quickness and route running precision. And he must have the ability to work the middle without wilting from the hits and contact it brings. Beyond that Kupp showed what can happen when that role is also a student of the game.

Now that Slot role can be a WR or a TE. We have used a WR in Kupp who is physically similar to the TE McVay used in Washington, being 6'2" and I'd say Kupp is overall a better athlete as well. Looking at this draft they can go the route of WR or TE, as both are represented with answers. The Slot WRs start at 26 with Burden and Egbuka. They are mocked higher here and there but I don't think either are slam dunks in the slot role, so to me at least fwiw 26 is where their value starts, as I see them as 20-40 types due to the fact neither is physically what we need in that strength over the middle. But I am a bit picky with wideouts and expect them to attack the ball and own that middle. I think Egbuka is better than Burden. And for me personally this WR class is straight up shitty at the top. Well shitty may be a bit strong, but they don't compare well to my eye to other recent strong classes and that is why a guy like Golden (X projection in the NFL) will probably be off the board before we pick.

Making things worse for those slot WRs is the fact this year's TE group is stacked. Question is do you want the safe QB outlet over the middle, or do you want some explosiveness. None of these guys are going to turn a crack into a coverage into a big play like Egbuka or Burden will. But many of them will give the QB a safety blanket over the middle with big catch radius and the ability to body defenders.

This combo overall is why I think TE is very likely at 26. Also and btw if teams concur with that take then we'll have potential to see the better options go off the board before we pick. I mean it would figure. Seems like McVay is always on the outside looking in with the best TE options. But I am still hopeful.

Back to the X role options I expect we end up taking a shot on one of the smaller types who will be there in round 3. Not ideal, but at this point and after seeing Jefferson and Tutu I think maybe the Rams have learned their lesson about attitude in a wideout. Which is to say I think aggression for the ball and willingness/ability to block in combo are the keys. Speed on top of that would be great but speed in and of itself is meaningless if a hand on you negates your route.
 

Elmgrovegnome

Legend
Joined
Jan 23, 2013
Messages
24,102
How is he overrated? He's a tall, big-body receiver with strong hands. There aren't many of them in the NFL. I'm not saying I'm willing to pay him that kind of cash but I don't think he's overrated.
He played 12 games each of the last two years.

I could understand the Rams having interest in his skillset but he could command number 1 receiver money, or close to it.

I proposed the Rams trade their first pick for him and give him a short contract like two years and a promise not to tag him. That would be an ‘all-in’ move for the next two years with Stafford.

If the Rams have only 2-3 years with Stafford is it best to draft a young receiver who may take time to develop?
 

Elmgrovegnome

Legend
Joined
Jan 23, 2013
Messages
24,102
FA
Draft
Trade

It's not a matter of if we do something at WR, it's HOW. It is a massive problem.

Even if Kupp were staying, it would be a problem. Without him, and factoring in Whittingtons injury history (and the fact that while he flashed, he hasn't "arrived" by any means), and Pukas penchant for getting banged up....it's downright terrifying.

Demarcus is fine depth, but preferably a 4th WR.

So by my estimation, we need two WRs who can actually contribute next season.

With Higgins franchised, the free agents aren't looking good. And any on the younger side are likely to be overpriced.

To make matters worse, there doesn't seem to be a great option there with our first round picks (as an Ohio St fan I want to stay away from Ebuka).

My opinions aside - if the question was how do we find two WRs who can contribute (one starter, one who may have to start in a pinch), how are you solving that problem?
You don’t like Egbuka? He seems like a good fit for this team.
 

OldSchool

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
42,710
First I'd say that the X role has been a hole for us for years now. So it is not like we must fill it. Sure would be nice, but I wouldn't call it critical.

The critical need is Slot, that weapon for over the middle, that makes McVay's offense go. And for that role the player must have specific traits IMO. He must separate quickly, i.e. have that combo of short area quickness and route running precision. And he must have the ability to work the middle without wilting from the hits and contact it brings. Beyond that Kupp showed what can happen when that role is also a student of the game.

Now that Slot role can be a WR or a TE. We have used a WR in Kupp who is physically similar to the TE McVay used in Washington, being 6'2" and I'd say Kupp is overall a better athlete as well. Looking at this draft they can go the route of WR or TE, as both are represented with answers. The Slot WRs start at 26 with Burden and Egbuka. They are mocked higher here and there but I don't think either are slam dunks in the slot role, so to me at least fwiw 26 is where their value starts, as I see them as 20-40 types due to the fact neither is physically what we need in that strength over the middle. But I am a bit picky with wideouts and expect them to attack the ball and own that middle. I think Egbuka is better than Burden. And for me personally this WR class is straight up shitty at the top. Well shitty may be a bit strong, but they don't compare well to my eye to other recent strong classes and that is why a guy like Golden (X projection in the NFL) will probably be off the board before we pick.

Making things worse for those slot WRs is the fact this year's TE group is stacked. Question is do you want the safe QB outlet over the middle, or do you want some explosiveness. None of these guys are going to turn a crack into a coverage into a big play like Egbuka or Burden will. But many of them will give the QB a safety blanket over the middle with big catch radius and the ability to body defenders.

This combo overall is why I think TE is very likely at 26. Also and btw if teams concur with that take then we'll have potential to see the better options go off the board before we pick. I mean it would figure. Seems like McVay is always on the outside looking in with the best TE options. But I am still hopeful.

Back to the X role options I expect we end up taking a shot on one of the smaller types who will be there in round 3. Not ideal, but at this point and after seeing Jefferson and Tutu I think maybe the Rams have learned their lesson about attitude in a wideout. Which is to say I think aggression for the ball and willingness/ability to block in combo are the keys. Speed on top of that would be great but speed in and of itself is meaningless if a hand on you negates your route.
So now we're content with not having a game changer on the outside?
 

RamsOfCastamere

I drink things, and know nothing
Joined
Aug 10, 2013
Messages
8,352
He played 12 games each of the last two years.

I could understand the Rams having interest in his skillset but he could command number 1 receiver money, or close to it.

I proposed the Rams trade their first pick for him and give him a short contract like two years and a promise not to tag him. That would be an ‘all-in’ move for the next two years with Stafford.

If the Rams have only 2-3 years with Stafford is it best to draft a young receiver who may take time to develop?
I want speed but I'm okay with a temporary vet like Godwin or Adams until Puka gets his contract.

And then when Puka gets paid, I want to pair him with fresh legs on a rookie contract so we're not committing too much money to the WR position.
 

Merlin

Damn the torpedoes
Rams On Demand Sponsor
ROD Credit | 2023 TOP Member
Joined
May 8, 2014
Messages
41,939
So now we're content with not having a game changer on the outside?
Nope. I am acknowledging that the way the FA and draft look it seems unlikely that filling the X role with an ideal option will line up for us. Probably looking at one of the smaller options round 3 range on.

Also I am saying the slot role is the key to McVay's offense, so that is a bigger need than the X role, which has been a hole for us for years now.
 

OldSchool

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
42,710
Nope. I am acknowledging that the way the FA and draft look it seems unlikely that filling the X role with an ideal option will line up for us. Probably looking at one of the smaller options round 3 range on.

Also I am saying the slot role is the key to McVay's offense, so that is a bigger need than the X role, which has been a hole for us for years now.
Slot can also be filled with one of these versatile TEs in the draft or with Wittington or a 6th round pick. We don't have to sign an old expensive and often injured diva. We can fill X te and slot in the draft. The FA WR group sucks imo. Too many not worth the mo ey they're likely to get.
 

André

Always far too invested
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Jan 21, 2014
Messages
1,668
Do you think this means McVay will actually use him?

Wow that's a surprise. The re-up and the amount.
 

Merlin

Damn the torpedoes
Rams On Demand Sponsor
ROD Credit | 2023 TOP Member
Joined
May 8, 2014
Messages
41,939
Slot can also be filled with one of these versatile TEs in the draft or with Wittington or a 6th round pick.
So we agree. :thumbsup1:

As to Whittington, he may have something to him, but the Rams won't approach this with him as an answer in their minds. They'll add a TE hopefully early, and if Whittington pushes them to make room for him that's a good thing.