Dotson and a contract

[Merlin]

If they get Dotson done then Center becomes less an issue because whoever it is will be protected by those two big boys. So they could then draft a brainy smurf MFer or otherwise lesser pivot who moves well.

I suspect the Rams are seeing OG differently than they used to. They were subscribed to the "draft OT and move them inside" pipeline type approach when they brought in Kromes initially. Now with the move to power they seem to value strong OG play as demonstrated by Avila's drafting. And he has certainly rewarded their decision.

 

[blackbart]

Jackson has already said he won't play OG. LT is the highest paid OL position and that is all he wants to play. This is why Noteboom who just wanted to start was willing to move.

I don’t tecall seeing that comjng out about either of these payer.

Do you have a link to these quotes or reports of them?

 

[OldSchool]

I don’t tecall seeing that comjng out about either of these payer.

Do you have a link to these quotes or reports of them?

Of course not it's all make believe

 

[blackbart]

If you haven’t seen yesterday’s interview with Les Snead it’s worth a look.

I thought he gave great info on how they would go about the beginnings of off season with evaluations.

He also eluded to the players’ feelings and keeping them in the loop with the teams progress on feeling out the moves coming.

The last really important thing he said was how they have learned to value the Oline and continuity there.

If they can’t get a deal done to keep Dotson, it seems obvious they they will allocate resources to build that group.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

In a few years the Rams should have some veteran contracts coming off the cap. Kupp, AD, Stafford, Havenstein, and Higbee.

Looking down the road wouldn’t a big contract to Dotson eventually not bee as impactful against the cap as it may in the next two years. It may be a worthwhile sacrifice.

Aside from that, Dotson has expressed how much he likes this organization and their coaching style. Also, the Rams Super Bowl window should be wide open for the next 2-3 years. Maybe those two things will be incentives for Dotson to work something out.

 

[dang]

Yep. Personally I'd draft his replacement.

IMO Shelton can be replaced in the draft but the Rams may want to keep him around for insurance. Bye bye Allen.

 

[dieterbrock]

I doubt the Rams will overpay for a guard with one good year.

Why are posters calling it an overpay? If it is the market rate, it's the market rate
The top guards are making over 20 mill
I also dont buy the "one good year" deal. Avila had only 1 good year and here we are fully depending on him going forward

 

[PARAM]

The top right guard is making 20 mil. The top 7 rgs make an average of 14 mil per year. 20 would be just a bit too high.

 

[Kupped]

The top 7 right guards make an average of 14 mil per year. 20 would be just a bit too high.

17 would fit with cap inflation

 

[PARAM]

15 a year for 3 years would be better. That gives them time to find a replacement in the draft before Avila is due a raise.

 

[Kupped]

Why are posters calling it an overpay? If it is the market rate, it's the market rate
The top guards are making over 20 mill
I also dont buy the "one good year" deal. Avila had only 1 good year and here we are fully depending on him going forward

I also dispute the "one good year" idea...
He performed better over the course of his career.. according to PFF.. than Avila did this year, for example.
The Steelers had him in the wrong position and know fuck all about offense. Look at how he performed relative to the guys they picked over him.

 

[OldSchool]

I also dispute the "one good year" idea...
He performed better over the course of his career.. according to PFF.. than Avila did this year, for example.
The Steelers had him in the wrong position and know fuck all about offense. Look at how he performed relative to the guys they picked over him.

What other year was he good in? Sorry about them playing him out of position that doesn't change the overall performance of that year though. And this year wasn't the whole year as you even said he got better as the year went on, started slower.

 

[Kupped]

What other year was he good in? Sorry about them playing him out of position that doesn't change the overall performance of that year though. And this year wasn't the whole year as you even said he got better as the year went on, started slower.

He had a 65 grade last season for the Steelers. That's better than Avila this year than the Rams.
And, yes, playing out of position matters and, yes, the Steelers being shitty at offense matters. Seumalo's PFF grade dropped from 75 last year to 71 this year with them.
"Matters" to me, anyway.
A player on their first contract getting traded into a better situation and better fit and then excelling makes sense to me.

 

[Merlin]

Ugh. How many of these OGs have lived up to top pay. That's one concern. Even the kid with the Colts was disappointing I think, their line has been shitty every time I've seen them at least. I'm all for getting Dotson done but if you get to $20M then why not pay a bit more and chase a LT. Assuming one hits the market which is a huge assumption.

And btw have you noticed the price of candy bars lately.

 

[So Ram]

Ugh. How many of these OGs have lived up to top pay. That's one concern. Even the kid with the Colts was disappointing I think, their line has been shitty every time I've seen them at least. I'm all for getting Dotson done but if you get to $20M then why not pay a bit more and chase a LT. Assuming one hits the market which is a huge assumption.

And btw have you noticed the price of candy bars lately.

BARF - well maybe Les Snead can call Jeff Fisher & see how Greg Robinson is doing. His draft mate AD99 is coming back for the 2024 season.

Memento has a player circled.I’d say trade back & draft Cooper Bebee late late 1st.rd.

Then maybe find a FA CB or Edge that will fit The Rams roster.

 

[badnews]

He played too well unfortunately and will be gone in FA. This front office wont pay $15-20M for an IOL given how well we draft.

Too bad our history at drafting OL hasn't been remotely decent for quite a while now..

All due respect to Steve Avila this year, Rob Havenstein a decade before that, Roger Saffold a decade before that..
(don't hold me to the math...)

 

[fanotodd]

I’d say no tbh because this is our push year for a SB and if you can get a premium rusher to cap our D-Line with that has experience and stats to back it up.

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As you can see both have more than single digit sack seasons and and pretty damn productive and that’s without factoring in the AD factor.

20 mill 3 years for Hunter? Yes please! Add a legit CB (12-16mill a year) in there and that helps us be flexible in the draft to go BPA or a high combo of BPA and need as Snead has talked about in his philosophy.

This is exactly the direction I expect them to go.

BPA in draft with combo of financial/health/production whether it’s a CB,OLB or whatever, see them being open and fluid to making the draft very productive for us.

Yes, those were two productive guys. I do admit I am a fan of going after allen should the Rams choose the FA route.

…but am I reading the numbers correctly?

The discussion on this board is suggesting Dotson could get anywhere from $16mil/per to $19mil. Now I’m seeing $20 mil/per for an Edge and $16mil/per for a CB?

It looks like the NFL DOES value IOL. If the numbers truly are that comparable, then it would probably be easier to spend the $$ on defense and draft OL

 

[fanotodd]

How capable is he though when he misses a ton of games every year? He's a fill in because he loses his starting spot every time he gets injured.
I'm more concerned with not needing reserves on the oline by having reliable starters. Paying an o-lineman 15 mill to be a reserve while letting a stud starting OG walk instead of paying him 17-18 mill is just insanity to me

When you put it that way…
I hope it isn’t an either or situation like that, because then you are dead right—a starter should be valued over a backup.

But Noteboom still has a lotta value in his depth role. We saw it this year. Jackson hasn’t exactly shown a ton of durability either and between him and Noteboom, the Rams have something. The problem is it’s taking two roster spots and two salaries to get it.

 

[OnceARam]

Dotson is not good. No way is he worth anywhere near the franchise tag. I was watching film of Avila, and Dotson was constantly getting blown up or manhandled.

Also, and this is a question, does anyone know where that inside pressure against Detroit was coming from?

 

[Allen2McVay]

Dotson is not good. No way is he worth anywhere near the franchise tag. I was watching film of Avila, and Dotson was constantly getting blown up or manhandled.

Also, and this is a question, does anyone know where that inside pressure against Detroit was coming from?

I think I know what you are saying (definitely know what you are thinking, and you have a dirty very mind ... shame on you) but I don't agree.

I thought Dotson was outstanding this season. However, Lions' interior DL Alim McNeill destroyed Dotson a number of times on the pass rush last Sunday. Thought that was surprising given pass protection is supposed to be Dotson's strength.

Thought @OldSchool made a good point yesterday (don't tell him ... the man has a massive ego as it is) about being careful rewarding a player with a huge contract after just one good year. Think that sound thought process applies to Not overly criticizing a player for one bad game.

At the end of the day, I am in the camp hoping Dotson is re-signed. Thought the OL (with pretty good health and one good reserve) was a strength this year; and would love some continuity. Unfortunately, two starters will be unrestricted free agents, and a third will be a restricted free agent.