Detroit signs Jared Goff to 4 year $212M extension $170M guaranteed

[kurtfaulk]

Johnson and Goff spent a weekend together in the offseason two years ago after Johnson was named OC. They took three long days to watch film of Goff with the Rams and trade ideas about plays that would work. Johnson then redesigned the Lions' O. The immediate result next year was a powerhouse offense. This what happens when a coach works with, not against, his quarterback.

Contrast this with McVay, who publicly blamed Goff for the failure of McVay's own offense after the running game (Gurley) and the oline (Saffold and Allen) took significant hits. McVay lacked the patience to adapt his offense to its actual capabilities and lacked the patience to work with Goff (although he was willing to sign him to an expensive contract.)

Goff has never trashed any teammate or coach.

But in the grand scheme of things the situation seems to have worked out. McVay got a Super Bowl. Goff may well get one in Detroit. And even if he doesn't, Goff will make ten times as much money, or more, than McVay could ever think about.

I'm sorry but Goff was so fortunate Mcvay came into his career so early. Can you imagine if stan kept fisher around. Goff would have had no chance. So even if their partnership didn't end well Goff is so much better for having worked with Mcvay for 4 years.

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[FarNorth]

I'm sorry but Goff was so fortunate Mcvay came into his career so early. Can you imagine if stan kept fisher around. Goff would have had no chance. So even if their partnership didn't end well Goff is so much better for having worked with Mcvay for 4 years.

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Agree. McVay was totally responsible for elevating the Rams offense and putting Goff in a position to succeed with the Rams at that time. But he then lost patience with Goff as the offense deteriorated without a healthy Gurley and healthy oline. And no, I wouldn't wish Jeff Fisher on any young QB.

But vice versa, Goff was good enough to beat New Orleans and Drew Brees on the road in a really, really tough game to take the Rams to the Super Bowl. Goff was also a key to the Rams' success.

I still blame McVay for losing patience with Goff and even more for his immature public trashing of him. McVay knows it was bad behavior.

Regardless of what happened with the Rams, Goff has proven himself with Detroit. And Goff didn't blink faced with Stafford and McVay in the playoffs.

 

[OnceARam]

 

[RamUK]

Did you see what happened to Stafford in the 22 season? Every pocket passer needs a good oline.

Why do you think the Golden boy was able to be productive for so long? Nobody could touch him and he had 5 seconds to find an open guy almost every down.

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Rothlisberger played behind some horrible Olines and still looked like a great QB. So did Stafford in Detroit and IIRC, Andrew Luck.

All I'm trying to say is that great QBs will look great even with no time. Goff has had games when he's looked awful and always looked rattled under pressure.

I'm not saying Goff isn't good, or even very good, I'm saying he's not great imho.

 

[OnceARam]

Goff is good except when he has to move an inch off his spot.

Goff is good except when he has to make a play in the SB.

Goff is good except when he has to transfer film study to the field.

Goff is good except when he is flat in the third quarter.

Goff is good except when he isnt.

But hey, he must be better than Hendon Hooker.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Rothlisberger played behind some horrible Olines and still looked like a great QB. So did Stafford in Detroit and IIRC, Andrew Luck.

All I'm trying to say is that great QBs will look great even with no time. Goff has had games when he's looked awful and always looked rattled under pressure.

I'm not saying Goff isn't good, or even very good, I'm saying he's not great imho.

Yeah, you can't put him in with the elite qbs but he's very good and sometimes that's enough.

Teams can win with him and every team is searching for a qb that can win games for them. It's no accident he helped two teams off the scrap heap.

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[tempests]

Johnson and Goff spent a weekend together in the offseason two years ago after Johnson was named OC. They took three long days to watch film of Goff with the Rams and trade ideas about plays that would work. Johnson then redesigned the Lions' O. The immediate result next year was a powerhouse offense. This what happens when a coach works with, not against, his quarterback.

McVay has had top 10 offenses with three different QBs now.

Contrast this with McVay, who publicly blamed Goff for the failure of McVay's own offense after the running game (Gurley) and the oline (Saffold and Allen) took significant hits. McVay lacked the patience to adapt his offense to its actual capabilities and lacked the patience to work with Goff (although he was willing to sign him to an expensive contract.)

McVay has adapted his offense. It needed to evolve after the SB loss to the Patriots because Belichick provided the blueprint. Every defense they faced in 2019 was throwing the same counter at them.

Stafford is the better fit for McVay's passing concepts as they exist today.

And McVay isn't the only one who wanted to trade for Stafford. Niners would've done it if we hadn't beat them to it.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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[OldSchool]

I don't think there are many fans who hate Goff, although I could be wrong

Hate isn't the right word and I don't like the word at all but it's become the common phrase. The people that I'm referring to don't hate him they just will never give him credit. No matter what he does they will always have negative comments for him. They can't get over something in the past and move on with any kind of positivity. They just won't consider that he's grown from year to year and is good for his current team. There are a lot of people here that fit this mold it's like they took a stance on him and don't ever want to change it. Goff isn't the only one he's just the most popular target for their animosity. Unfortunate really that they can't acknowledge what others do that is good.

 

[PARAM]

No.. it's not.
And.. yes.. I watched that game. Since you started out with the.. "didn't watch"... I'll respond with "you didn't read, eh?"

Goff worked completely within structure.. AND WAS GREAT. The ball he dropped to Cooks down left sideline was pretty amazing.

He had everyone except Kupp going on offense and a full, badass line.

Contrast that to what Stafford was working with.

And it's not about Goff vs. Stafford.. I was pointing out what Stafford can do that Goff can't do that creates the difference in value between the two.

And if you read the whole fucking post.. you'd know I praised him for his play against the 9ers.

So.. don't project that bullshit on me.

What "bullshit"? I responded to one part of your post and then gave an "opinion" of the rest of it. Did you not say, "the next time he shows the ability to succeed when things are breaking down around him will, pretty much, be the first time"? Now you say "Goff worked completely within the structure"? Further proof of the inaccuracy of your original statement (the part I quoted). The structure of what? Kupp was injured and missed the game. The Rams couldn't run. CJ's longest run was 8 yards, Gurley's was 6 yards, the two of them ran 20 times for 54 yards (take out those two runs and they ran 18 times for 40 yards, 2.2 YPC!!! Some structure, eh?). The Rams trailed 20-10 with 8 minutes and change left in the 3rd and again 23-20 with 1:41 left in the game. And they won by 3 in OT!!! It's all good. That's your opinion. But as Tom Jackson used to say on TV, "come on man!"

And "it's not about Goff vs Stafford", yet anytime somebody gives the guy a hint of kudos, they quantify it by saying, "yebbit, yebbit, yebbit, he can't do what Stafford has done". We all love Stafford. We all know he's the better QB. But most can't give #16 a compliment without including that fact. That's the bullshit.

 

[AvengerRam]

You know…I was going to be an NFL QB, but, no….I had to choose law school.

Oh well…at least I’m unlikely to get CTE in court.

 

[Tano]

A lot of people are saying Goff is only good since he had a great offensive line.

So I guess Aikman actually sucked.

 

[Loyal]

Goff is no longer a Ram, so I don't really care whether he does good or bad...and after last year, rooting for the loveable, loser Lions is over for me. I hope we destroy them every time we meet, from now on.

 

[PARAM]

A lot of people are saying Goff is only good since he had a great offensive line.

Isn't that the way it is with every QB (Mahomes being the 1 possible exception). They all need an OL, WRs, a run game and having a good defense on the other side doesn't hurt either. I'd love to see a list of the QBs who excelled minus most of that.

#1. Mahomes
#2. .........
#3. .........

 

[dang]

Top 8 NFL QB. Check
Top 6 NFL Team. Check.
Great teammate. Check
Overall good guy. Check.
Hhhhhhhotttttt girlfriend. Double Check
Huge high $$$$ contract. Triple Check

Its good to be Goff!!

 

[Mojo Ram]

I don't think there are many fans who hate Goff, although I could be wrong

The person? Yeah I doubt it. Good dude.

Hate is a strong word. Dislike i guess.

Dislike the QB? Yeah. I’m one of them. I have no faith that he can deliver or carry in the biggest moments consistently.

 

[Ramstien]

Stafford is the QB that McVay wanted over Goff and the Rams made it happen. Does anyone really believe that any GM in the NFL would pick Goff over Stafford if given the choice?

 

[FrantikRam]

The person? Yeah I doubt it. Good dude.

Hate is a strong word. Dislike i guess.

Dislike the QB? Yeah. I’m one of them. I have no faith that he can deliver or carry in the biggest moments consistently.

Same for me.

Hate definitely isn't the word - I feel like I see him for what he is. He's a solid QB who will look great when things are great around him, but is unlikely to carry a team. I say unlikely because we haven't yet seen him put into that position in Detroit - two OL injuries here, a WR injury there, the run game not working, etc. He absolutely couldn't do it here, we saw that.

I think for me, I still don't feel like there was enough "hey guys I was wrong" - we saw Stafford lead a game winning drive in the Super Bowl with a non existing run game, Brian Allen at center (everyone's favorite whipping boy) and nothing at WR besides Kupp....oh and down to our third TE.

You could not ask for a better demonstration of "was the trade worth it?" and yet we still have people who refuse to acknowledge it.

And now we're back to thinking he's as good as we thought in 2017/2018, all because he has the same level of talent around him that he did with us during those years. Its like we're living in the twilight zone. Context matters.

 

[FrantikRam]

This signing is complicated - its the Lions, and I think Goff is somewhere between league average and above average. Ultimately, they should be competitive/have a winning record with him consistently.

I think that their playoff success last year has escalated things for them though - they now have Super Bowl aspirations. How many years until Lions fans aren't accepting divisional round exits?

The other thing here...Brady and Mahomes have confused people into thinking you need to have a great QB, but if you look at the last Super Bowl winning QBs, it paints a slightly different picture:

Mahomes (GOAT 2.0)
Stafford (McVay + the Von Miller trade where we only paid him 2 million - Stafford deserves a ton of credit too, but those are the facts)
Brady
Foles
Peyton Manning (decrepit Peyton)
Wilson
Flacco
Eli manning


And then it gets even more interesting when you factor WHO Mahomes/Stafford/Brady prevented from winning a title along the way:

Purdy (rookie contract)
Hurts (rookie contract)
Burrow (rookie contract)
Jimmy G
Goff (rookie contract)

And all of those were CLOSE. When you factor that in alongside Foles/Peyton/Wilson (rookie contract)/Flacco/Eli - you have Brady and Mahomes who are EXTREME outliers - otherwise who is winning it all? Teams with either cheaper QBs or average QBs, who have an elite team built around them. These teams are so good that the list above had all those guys inches away from being the two GOATs.

So I'll say to Detroit what I wanted the Rams to do - shouldn't have signed him, and should have moved on to a rookie coming into an elite team around him IF you want to make or win the Super Bowl.

 

[Tumak61]

Stafford will want more it seems. Rams though want to go year to year with him.