Bobby Wagner Released

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If not Wagner... anyone for Myles Jack? (Just released by Jags)
Me! Maybe even more so then Wagner. For one he is younger and certainly more athletic at this point. I'd love me some Wagner, but if Jack can be had for less and potentially a longer deal, I'd go for that. Both released so fit our criteria.
 

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Not interested!!! The Rams have good LB talent...let those guys develop and grow.
We do? We have Jones and Howard really, with little to no depth. I admit, we could use a CB more, however, no great CB's have been released yet.
 

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I just go by what was reported as the offer. A first round pick and Teddy Bridgewater? Not even close
Teams don't generally say what they offered. It mostly comes down to reporter guesses and then other reporters taking those conjectures and running with them.

You dismiss the idea that the Lions organization honored Stafford's request by saying it was the best offer. Yet - no one aside from insiders within teams that were actively working the trade lines really know the details. And they're not running to the press saying, "We offered much more but were turned down." The one fact that we CAN know is that - as was pretty common knowledge - the Lions ruled out several teams as to not fuck over a player that was the face of their franchise for more than a decade after HE requested a trade.

Staff wanted to be traded. But he did not want to go to a cellar dweller. The Lions got the best deal they could WITHIN those constraints. Could they have traded him to the Yets? Technically - yes. But in reality, the Rams were the best situation and Holmes - of all people - knew it. And the fact that Staff came to us after that fortuitous meeting in Cancun should scream that the Rams were favored by him and it's almost zero doubt that he told his agent he wanted to come to LA and to get a deal done.

Bottom line is that players will go to teams for a variety of reasons. Money is definitely one of - if not THE - biggest reason. But the idea that you know what a team offered a player without the deal being made is just not reality. Hell... We don't generally know what someone got offered on the deal they DID sign. We only find out the details after both sides have agreed to terms. After the deal is done, players will often say they had other offers and interest, but chose team X. Who knows if that is accurate? The organization he allegedly turned down isn't going to show his cards to the rest of the players at the table.

When you see players getting involved ala Suh, Stafford, OBJ, etc..., there is more than money in the discussion. Players don't negotiate their own contracts. But when it is not all about money for a player, they get involved to essentially interview the team or they get feedback from players on teams they're interested in. You see it all the time with elite players or those that are looking at a late career contract. If this were not the case, there would be absolutely no need for a no trade clause in a contract.
 

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I just go by what was reported as the offer. A first round pick and Teddy Bridgewater? Not even close
That one first was worth more than the Rams two firsts.. draft chart would value it at being worth two firsts and a 2nd or third rounder. The multiplier on that is if there's a top ten talent that a specific team is particularly interested in. Look at what the Bears gave up to move from 20 to 11 to draft fields, for example.

A temporary QB is a temporary QB.. they wouldn't be winning anything with Bridgewater or Goff.
 

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We do? We have Jones and Howard really, with little to no depth. I admit, we could use a CB more, however, no great CB's have been released yet.

The LB starters for the SB were Floyd, Jones, Reeder, and Miller.
Backups were Lewis, Oko, and Garrett. Not bad in my book.

You work with the draft...but if you grab Wagner. You gotta pay the guy. His record demands money and it's highly unlikely the Rams are gonna pay Wagner 20 mil with their cap situation.

Maybe if this was this past season you bring him like the Rams did Von Miller...but not now!
 

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The LB starters for the SB were Floyd, Jones, Reeder, and Miller.
Backups were Lewis, Oko, and Garrett. Not bad in my book.

You work with the draft...but if you grab Wagner. You gotta pay the guy. His record demands money and it's highly unlikely the Rams are gonna pay Wagner 20 mil with their cap situation.

Maybe if this was this past season you bring him like the Rams did Von Miller...but not now!
The most I'd pay Wagner is 5 million a year.
You have one three down linebacker on your roster.. so you're either reducing snaps for Jones or making Wagner a two down player most of the time.
Not interested unless he wants to be an absolute bargain and play at home.
 

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And now Jack is off the market for 8/mil a year. One less MLB option.
 

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Did you see that dwill took less money, to be in Jacksonville of all places, so he could be back home. Now, he's a player I woulda thought would take the highest contract given the circumstances. You just never know what's going to be the deciding factor.
I don't know what offers he received. But I will say the way he played last season he didn't deserve to make a ton more money. So maybe the market just spoke there.

If he had hit FA after the 2020 season he would have been showered with big deal offers. What he just got feels to me like what he deserves though. Still overpaid because it's FA. But then again he has shown when he plays with anticipation he can ballhawk which is valuable so maybe he bounces back and plays better down there. I doubt it though.
 

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And now Jack is off the market for 8/mil a year. One less MLB option.
I just want to say that I don't think ILB offers a lot of upgrade for us dollar for dollar. Jones is going to hold it down in there for us. He's going into year two. So bringing in an outside option feels inefficient given that we'll be in a lot of nickel and dime.

What we need more of is cover types. More corner talent to snuff out early reads and give what will be a lesser rush time to get home. Those two elements need to complement one another. If your CB group is weak you can boost them with the rush. If your rush is weak you can boost them with the coverage.

But high priced ILBs don't really feel like something that's gonna move the bar for us all that much.
 

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I just want to say that I don't think ILB offers a lot of upgrade for us dollar for dollar. Jones is going to hold it down in there for us. He's going into year two. So bringing in an outside option feels inefficient given that we'll be in a lot of nickel and dime.

What we need more of is cover types. More corner talent to snuff out early reads and give what will be a lesser rush time to get home. Those two elements need to complement one another. If your CB group is weak you can boost them with the rush. If your rush is weak you can boost them with the coverage.

But high priced ILBs don't really feel like something that's gonna move the bar for us all that much.

It really comes down to the money for me as Bobby Wagner could easily be asking for more than the Rams care to pay. Wagner/Jones feels ideal from a mentorship point of view for Howard & Jones as well as their potential to dominate, but I also like the depth they provide as it seems we are always getting dinged up somewhere at ILB.
 

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It really comes down to the money for me as Bobby Wagner could easily be asking for more than the Rams care to pay. Wagner/Jones feels ideal from a mentorship point of view for Howard & Jones as well as their potential to dominate, but I also like the depth they provide as it seems we are always getting dinged up somewhere at ILB.
That's a fair take. Wagner might end up giving us huge on-field impact if we go get him too. But signing an older type like him and giving him what might be his retirement contract in an offseason where we just found or might have found our defensive game caller feels like bad timing to me.

If it was last year's offseason yes I'd be all over Wagner. But now... Spend that money or spend those picks on edge or cover options. Even a safety who can play over the top. Then in midrounds of the draft go get that oversized safety who projects to the box as an NFL conversion to ILB and plug his ass into the depth chart.
 

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I just want to say that I don't think ILB offers a lot of upgrade for us dollar for dollar. Jones is going to hold it down in there for us. He's going into year two. So bringing in an outside option feels inefficient given that we'll be in a lot of nickel and dime.

What we need more of is cover types. More corner talent to snuff out early reads and give what will be a lesser rush time to get home. Those two elements need to complement one another. If your CB group is weak you can boost them with the rush. If your rush is weak you can boost them with the coverage.

But high priced ILBs don't really feel like something that's gonna move the bar for us all that much.
+1

I'm not on the Wagner bandwagon. Cap space on defense would be better spent on the Edge and CB.
 

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Something to keep in mind...

We went 1-3 against GB and SF last year.

Wagner would bring physicality that would help us win those games....which may be playoff games next year
 

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Something to keep in mind...

We went 1-3 against GB and SF last year.

Wagner would bring physicality that would help us win those games....which may be playoff games next year
That's what I like. I feel against physical teams, we lack that physicality sometimes. The NFCC vs SF game was the exception.