Bobby Wagner Released

[Tano]

Brady never took less in New England, they cheated their way thru that too. They funneled money to him thru the onsite sales, and as always Goodell looked the other way. Still and all, Brady remains the exception and surely not the rule. 6th round pick? 44 years old? Nah...
Anyways, it will all play out and guys will get what they want. Ultimately, @jrry32 is correct, if Miller's market value is say 20 mill, he might stay in LA for 18 mill, but wouldnt stay for 12.

I think that is what a lot of us are saying

And that $2M discount might be just enough for us to sign Miller



No clue though since I am not a CAP guy

 

[Loyal]

Come on. We know Stafford wasn't going to a team like the Lions. We know Von came here because he had a real chance at going to the SB. AD has said he would consider retirement without the right group around him. MULTIPLE players have said they would only go to a serious contender. There was a player last week (Calais) that said the right system would be more important than $.

Are you really jumping on the sword that players will not discount a couple million a year for the right situation?

It happens all the time.

deiter looks at 503 and mutters,

 

[RamFan503]

I was reading this and thinking it had blue font. Stafford and Miller were traded, had no say in where they were going and got paid what their contracts paid them. If there are examples of guys who were the top free agents (like Wagner and Miller) taking less money, I'd like to see who they are.
As for Calais? Campbell I presume? He's kind of the perfect example. Allegedly loves the Ravens and fits in perfect, but still wants to test the FA market anyways. AKA, wants to see if he can get more $$ either out there or from the Ravens. I dont blame any of them, they should be going for the most $$ they can get

Have at it but I think you're kidding yourself if you think Staff would have gone to another cellar dweller or that Von would have been dissed by Denver by them trading him to a team like the Yets. By all accounts, deals were made with those two players with very much deference and respect to what the players meant to and did for their respective teams. I would bet that if either of them - especially Staff - would have said, "Oh HELL no.", the trades would not have happened.

I've watched you argue that players that many of us know took less money to go to or stay with a particular team or contender didn't in reality. It's a pointless circle jerk to keep pointing at players. We hear every year that players were offered more but chose a team they were more comfortable with or felt it gave them a better chance to win a SB.

I don't think anyone is saying that a player is going to take a 50% cut to play here. But a structured deal that pays them a couple to a few million less vs going to a crap team? Figuring that their endorsement $s will be factored in when considering playing in LA or Cleveland won't factor in? Returning to a team you really gelled with to win a SB won't factor in? The chance of going against the team you may feel screwed you wouldn't be part of a decision?

In the end, I'm sure we would need to be close. But without a doubt in my mind, we won't be in a position to have to overpay like teams like the Jags. I can virtually guarantee you that those teams will pay far more for players than the Rams.

I don't have any problem with a player chasing dollars. I would think that it is the most important thing for most players. But I think you are ignoring the desires of individuals to be called a world champion, or to achieve fame and fortune outside of playing the game, or to not play for an embarrassing organization, or to live in a Malibu vs Detroit suburb. Many will just want the money. Good for them. But many will have a broader set of criteria when considering a contract.

 

[Florida_Ram]

Give that shit a rest, dude. You're not the only person who has followed the NFL for a long time. You can disagree without being condescending.

Bro, you give it a rest.

For real, I never meant to come across as condescending. It was merely a strong opinion (money discounts are overrated imo during NFL free agency) and I might be wrong in this case.

You are one of the better posters on this forum @jrry32.

We don't always see eye to eye. What two posters do on a message forum that arn't able to talk it out in person before they give a strong opinion. It's likely going to happen time to time and push a button or two.

We both agreed on Cooper Kupp in your in depth WR rankings prior to him being drafted.

You switched your avatar to Jerry the mouse and I was the one that recommended it, but you probably forgot.

It fits you well because you are quick witted, fast and clever like Jerry was to Tom in the old cartoon.

Anyway, cheers brother. Sometimes I kneejerk post and I could've chosen a better worded/toned opinion.

Our Rams need to get this offseason correct to have a chance to repeat since the 2004 - 2005 Patriots.

A tough act to follow even if you bring most of the players back and add a few studs.

This is why the NFL is the greatest professional sport in the world.

 

[jrry32]

Bro, you give it a rest.

For real, I never meant to come across as condescending. It was merely a strong opinion (money discounts are overrated imo during NFL free agency) and I might be wrong in this case.

You are one of the better posters on this forum @jrry32.

We don't always see eye to eye. What two posters do on a message forum that arn't able to talk it out in person before they give a strong opinion. It's likely going to happen time to time and push a button or two.

We both agreed on Cooper Kupp in your in depth WR rankings prior to him being drafted.

You switched your avatar to Jerry the mouse and I was the one that recommended it, but you probably forgot.

It fits you well because you are quick witted, fast and clever like Jerry was to Tom in the old cartoon.

Anyway, cheers brother. Sometimes I kneejerk post and I could've been worded better.

Our Rams need to get this offseason correct to have a chance to repeat since the 2004 - 2005 Patriots.

A tough act to follow even if you bring most of the players back and add a few studs.

This is why the NFL is the greatest professional sport in the world.

All good, man. It's not personal. I like you. Simply didn't appreciate that specific line in your comment. But you're right, tone doesn't come across well over the internet. Cheers.

 

[Florida_Ram]

All good, man. It's not personal. I like you. Simply didn't appreciate that specific line in your comment. But you're right, tone doesn't come across well over the internet. Cheers.

And how about the Big Whit retirement speech today...

It broke me down and I caught myself wiping a couple of tears off of my cheek.

Our postseason victories over the Bucs, then the 49ers, followed by the Super Bowl victory over the Bengals all made me shed a tear or two.

I'm not normally a tears person but this Rams team got to my heart in all three of those epic games.

I became vulnerable and they brought me all the way back to my childhood love for them.

I know, I probably sound like a wussy, but I'm okay confessing it on the ROD forum.

These have been the best happy tears I've had following our Rams.

 

[PhillyRam]

Lets get our inside linebacker in FA and db in the draft. The Rams seem to be better evaluators at defensive backs than inside linebackers because our linebacking group has routinely been the weakest position group since fletcher was regrettably jettisoned.

Yes we have some promising young talent but that's aways our story with this group. Just once before I die, I'd like have a proven bad ass mother fucker who can stay on the field. I want some bobby fucking wagner!

Is that so much to ask
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Looks like they hit a honerun in Jones. Not so much in Rapp & Long, guys picked in the 3rd or higher.

 

[dieterbrock]

Have at it but I think you're kidding yourself if you think Staff would have gone to another cellar dweller or that Von would have been dissed by Denver by them trading him to a team like the Yets. By all accounts, deals were made with those two players with very much deference and respect to what the players meant to and did for their respective teams. I would bet that if either of them - especially Staff - would have said, "Oh HELL no.", the trades would not have happened.

Sorry but yeah, there's literally nothing either guy could have done if traded to the Jets. Of course they could refuse to report, get all sorts of fines, sit out the year etc, but they couldnt prevent the trade.
The confusion here is that the only teams that would be willing to make the trade for a Stafford or Miller, would be a team that was looking to win right away. Miller a 1 year rental, Stafford a 2 year rental
The Redskins err, the Washington Football team were said to have offered a 1st rounder, and surely had they sweetened the pot to match or exceed what the Rams offered, he would have been traded there

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Looks like they hit a honerun in Jones. Not so much in Rapp & Long, guys picked in the 3rd or higher.

Let’s hope Snead has gotten better at picking talent.

Or, every draft is different. It can be difficult to find good players in round two sometimes. Some drafts even the first round only produces a few standouts.

 

[wolfdogg]

Looks like they hit a honerun in Jones. Not so much in Rapp & Long, guys picked in the 3rd or higher.

Is jones really a home run? If he stays healthy, maybe, probably? Wagner is a grand slam. Rapp is fielders choice.

 

[FrantikRam]

Sorry but yeah, there's literally nothing either guy could have done if traded to the Jets. Of course they could refuse to report, get all sorts of fines, sit out the year etc, but they couldnt prevent the trade.
The confusion here is that the only teams that would be willing to make the trade for a Stafford or Miller, would be a team that was looking to win right away. Miller a 1 year rental, Stafford a 2 year rental
The Redskins err, the Washington Football team were said to have offered a 1st rounder, and surely had they sweetened the pot to match or exceed what the Rams offered, he would have been traded there

Matthew Stafford had one request from Lions when quarterback asked to be traded

Stafford just wanted to make sure of one thing when he requested a trade from Detroit

www.google.com

Money quote for you from the article:

"What's accurate is -- and this is an incredible thing by (the Lions) -- I asked to go to a team that was ready to win a championship, Stafford said, via Mitch Album of the Detroit Free-Press. "And, you know, there were a few teams on that list. There were a few teams that were not on that list. And they were respectful of that and understood completely. I had thoughts and reasons for each one of them."

 

[dieterbrock]

Matthew Stafford had one request from Lions when quarterback asked to be traded

Stafford just wanted to make sure of one thing when he requested a trade from Detroit

www.google.com

Money quote for you from the article:

"What's accurate is -- and this is an incredible thing by (the Lions) -- I asked to go to a team that was ready to win a championship, Stafford said, via Mitch Album of the Detroit Free-Press. "And, you know, there were a few teams on that list. There were a few teams that were not on that list. And they were respectful of that and understood completely. I had thoughts and reasons for each one of them."

And yet he was traded to the team which offered the best deal. Imagine that

 

[Kupped]

And yet he was traded to the team which offered the best deal. Imagine that

Depends on who you ask. Panthers reported offer would’ve been worth more.

 

[dieterbrock]

Depends on who you ask. Panthers reported offer would’ve been worth more.

I just go by what was reported as the offer. A first round pick and Teddy Bridgewater? Not even close

 

[oldnotdead]

I think if they can't sign Miller they will grab Wagner who will love to play and beat the Hawks twice a year.

 

[wolfdogg]

And yet he was traded to the team which offered the best deal. Imagine that

Did you see that dwill took less money, to be in Jacksonville of all places, so he could be back home. Now, he's a player I woulda thought would take the highest contract given the circumstances. You just never know what's going to be the deciding factor.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Did you see that dwill took less money, to be in Jacksonville of all places, so he could be back home. Now, he's a player I woulda thought would take the highest contract given the circumstances. You just never know what's going to be the deciding factor.

We never truly know where a player's thoughts are at and what is most important to them. Money is important but it isn't everything. These guys make a shit ton of money so losing out on a few mill is not the biggest deal in the world to some of them that place a high value on other factors. Sounds crazy saying that but it's the truth.

 

[RamWoodie]

Not interested!!! The Rams have good LB talent...let those guys develop and grow.

 

[RamWoodie]

Also Von isn't going anywhere. You're all reading too much in to twitter posturing.

I wouldn't say that. Granted he's stated he wants to stay, but the guy has 2 rings now...and he's probably content with that.

I think he goes where the money is as long as they're contenders.

 

[wolfdogg]

I wouldn't say that. Granted he's stated he wants to stay, but the guy has 2 rings now...and he's probably content with that.

I think he goes where the money is as long as they're contenders.

Good thing brownies and Cowboys aren't contenders