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Memphis Ram said:

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I hope Scheelhaase gets a head coaching job from us, or we keep him as an offensive coordinator to get a future head coaching job (from what I understand, we can block him from interviewing unless he gets a better position...such as head coach). If he gets a head coaching job from us, we get two more third round compensatory picks.

Losing LaFleur or Shula is going to suck, but I trust McVay in bringing up the right assistants. I just want to get picks for Scheelhaase if we can.

I also really do not want to lose Ryan Wendell; he's been instrumental in our O-line turnaround. Scott Huff (tight ends coach) and Ron Gould (running backs coach) don't get nearly enough credit either, and I'm extremely thankful we have Yarber; the guy's been an amazing receivers coach, and it doesn't seem like he wants to be anything more than an amazing receivers coach.
 
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PARAM said:
Yeah, we'd have to put SF up there too. Not as many wins (71) as Baltimore (86) but went to 2 SBs and has more postseason wins than the Ravens over that span. Gotta include Tampa (they got a Lombardi which automatically vaults them up) and New England. The Patriots last SB was 8 years ago and they have a great team this year. Plus they have as many postseason wins as Baltimore over that time.
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If you wanna include Tampa Bay and the Pats, that's fine. I wouldn't include them for different reasons.

Tampa Bay got a win because they brought in Brady. That's nice for a one off, but my point is emphasizing winning cultures, which includes great coaching. TB doesn't fit that criteria. I don't expect them to be back in the SB anytime soon.

I do expect one of the aforementioned teams to be in the SB every year.

The Pats won 8 years ago due to a winning culture and QB but then tore it down so they don't fit either. Now, it's possible that they've rebuilt everything and will be annual SB contenders, but it's too soon for me to concede that given their success this year was on the back of the easiest schedule in decades.

My overall point is, I'd choose the winning infrastructure over the aging, and likely declining, QB.
 
TE & RB coaches definitely killed it for the Rams this year. No doubt about it. Best job we've seen in a long time for both of them, to my eye at least. Huff's OL experience showed in damn near every TE improving in blocking, hell even our rook TE was out there killing it in that regard. Gould's been a windfall, since he came in this backfield from the decision making in the offseason in how they shaped it to the production of the backs as well as their rotation in the backfield has been top notch. He has been everything Brown was said to be.

I don't want to talk shite about Aubrey here, but their decision to stand pat at corner really fucked him over. This is not to say you don't still evaluate him on the unit overall, but clearly they're short on talent back there. It's gonna kill him though as it pertains to head coach interviews. Nobody wants to hear what the architect of the worst part of our defense thinks. So again it's time this offseason to load the shit out of that group.
 
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WestCoastRam said:
I think that's fair, I'll stand by my point too, I need to see two years in a row of decline before I personally make a declarative statement.

As to the situation (which I know we haven't talked about): I think it's fairly obvious from reports that it Lamar was unhappy and when choosing between Lamar and Harbaugh, you choose Lamar right now. I'd do that in a heartbeat (even if he's got some warts - not everyone can be Tom Brady in work ethic). Sounds like Harbaugh had lost other parts of the locker room too. Interestingly, Mays was asked if there was a coach he would pick over Lamar and his answer was... McVay (and then added Shanahan). I laughed. Thought that was great.

I think we would agree that there's a window here with Lamar now before the wheels start to fall off a bit athletically (well, you may see it sooner) so I think if your Baltimore you make the pivot now. Curious who they get. I think Lamar and Stefanski could be a good scheme fit. Not sure though. Hear Jesse Minter's name a bunch, even Flores - but it sounds like Lamar needs a bit more kid gloves than a guy like Stafford or Brady so not sure people remember how it worked with Tua and Flores - that match sounds outlandish to me.
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It's fair to want two years of decline before making the assessment. I'd be willing to make it now in Lamar's case because he was never great as a pocket passer. Sure, he could be super freak LeBron and not decline until 40, but that's unlikely, so I'm fine with going with traditional wisdom since he won't be a franchise QB without the elite athleticism.

Now, if it's true that Harbaugh was losing the locker room then it was time for a change. That's the one thing that would make me want to move on.

But to the larger philosophical question of choosing the QB over the infrastructure, I'd take the winning Ravens culture over Lamar. And I think it's a mistake to only think of the culture in terms of who the coach is. (talking about Mays' question above.) You need a great owner, a great front office, and a great coach. The Ravens had this infrastructure in place as evidenced by their winning history over the last decade and by being consistently voted by GMs as a top 2 drafting team in the league. If I had a winning infrastructure with all three of those critical elements, I'm not choosing an aging running QB over maintaining that.
 
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DzRams said:
If you wanna include Tampa Bay and the Pats, that's fine. I wouldn't include them for different reasons.

Tampa Bay got a win because they brought in Brady. That's nice for a one off, but my point is emphasizing winning cultures, which includes great coaching. TB doesn't fit that criteria. I don't expect them to be back in the And SB anytime soon.

I do expect one of the aforementioned teams to be in the SB every year.

The Pats won 8 years ago due to a winning culture and QB but then tore it down so they don't fit either. Now, it's possible that they've rebuilt everything and will be annual SB contenders, but it's too soon for me to concede that given their success this year was on the back of the easiest schedule in decades.

My overall point is, I'd choose the winning infrastructure over the aging, and likely declining, QB.
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And there's the reports that the Ravens had to choose between 29 year old, 2 time MVP QB and head coach. HC loses that every time.
 
WestCoastRam said:
Lamar's EPA from the pocket from 2019 to now goes: .07/.04/.05/.04/.04
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And yet that's going to decrease as his athleticism declines because teams will be less afraid and devote fewer resources to trying to contain him in the pocket. He's been such a running threat that you cant rush him. You know that stats never tell the full story.
 
DzRams said:
And yet that's going to decrease as his athleticism declines because teams will be less afraid and devote fewer resources to trying to contain him in the pocket. He's been such a running threat that you cant rush him. You know that stats never tell the full story.
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That could be a valid point but I've watched a bunch of his games and will say the stats severely underestimate his processing, touch and maneuverability (not escape) in the pocket. It's a pernicious thing out there about his ability as a pocket passer.

I think there are things at the margins that push people towards that thinking but that's a convo for a different forum, I'm sure.
 
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RamsSince1969 said:
302 miles between Vegas and Phoenix. It might come down to which area has better schools.
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Phoenix - and it's not close.

Glad I didn't/don't have kids in Clark County School District.
I designed several middle schools, and saw it up close and personal.

Total shitshow, and has been since I moved here almost 40 yearts ago.
 
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Memphis Ram said:
Sorry. I just don't feel like counting or having this discussion.
But, I do consider Lamar Jackson a franchise QB and I'm iffy on John Harbaugh being a great Head Coach. Good perhaps. But, great?
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For what it’s worth, my opinion on the great coaches is those are the guys that show the ability to hire and replace the coaches around him time and time again with sustained success, and get the entire thing pointed in the same direction….
and whether or not the HC is an “offensive” guy or a “defensive” guy doesn’t matter.

You’re higher on Lamar than I am. That’s obvious. IMO the arrow on his career is on the downswing already due to his play style. Harbaugh is one of a handful of the best coaches and his “skills” aren’t in decline because he isn’t getting hit every week. It’s a silly analogy but…That’s just how it works. Players get older and beat up. Coaches get older and continue to coach. The good ones get better at it.

I know we’ll disagree on all that. Nothing wrong with differing opinions.
 
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WestCoastRam said:
Lamar's EPA from the pocket from 2019 to now goes: .07/.04/.05/.04/.04
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One year removed from 41 TDs, 4 Int and a 119.6 QB rating and he's done (according to some)? He had a fooking 103.8 QB rating this year!!!

Here's his last two season's combined:
508 of 776 (65.5%) for 6721 yards (8.66/att) with 62 TDs (8.0%) 11 Int (1.4%) and a 113.4 QB rating. The guys fucking toast eh?
Now do people see why they got rid of Harbaugh? Should have got rid of Lamar and kept Tomlin-lite.
 
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