FEATURE Atwell Extended

[DzRams]

And more people wonder if McVay feels or thinks that way then why hell wasn't he used the last 4 years. It would have made the Rams a better team and it mismanagement to no use him

Also if he really feels that way why only a 1 year deal? You're going to sign him use him so he puts up better numbers and gets more mo ey? Again the word mismanagement comes to mind.

Isn't McVay admitting some degree of mismanagement? There may be reasons to justify his non-use but it sounds like he's falling on the sword here.

And as PhillyRam said, maybe Atwell didn't want to sign for more than one year.

 

[OldSchool]

Atwell has a say on if its 1 yr or 2 yr deal etc... he is betting on himself to have good year and then demand more money next year.

Also, tough to say Atwell should have played more when Kupp, Nacua, and Robinson were all healthy. Had they pulled Kupp more for Atwell, you probably would be the first to bitch about it.

First to butch about it? Absolutely not. And why Kupp and not Robinson? Choose your target form ore affect? Give me a break.

No fan is going to complain about a player being given snap and producing.Sorry but to think people would complain about production is just garbage.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Atwell has a say on if its 1 yr or 2 yr deal etc... he is betting on himself to have good year and then demand more money next year.

Also, tough to say Atwell should have played more when Kupp, Nacua, and Robinson were all healthy. Had they pulled Kupp more for Atwell, you probably would be the first to bitch about it.

almost like there was an opportunity cost to using him

 

[DzRams]

almost like there was an opportunity cost to using him

It's pretty clear to me what happened.
They hoped Atwell could handle the X position but he's not an X WR.
His natural position is F (slot) or Z.
Problem is, Kupp or Nacua would have to sit for him to get snaps.
They like his speed and skillset, Kupp has declined, so they're moving off Kupp to make room for Tutu.

 

[OldSchool]

It's pretty clear to me what happened.
They hoped Atwell could handle the X position but he's not an X WR.
His natural position is F (slot) or Z.
Problem is, Kupp or Nacua would have to sit for him to get snaps.
They like his speed and skillset, Kupp has declined, so they're moving off Kupp to make room for Tutu.

Kupps decline is the perfect spot to give him snaps of in fact you as McVay think Atwell is best used there. Egos be damned.

 

[DzRams]

Kupps decline is the perfect spot to give him snaps of in fact you as McVay think Atwell is best used there. Egos be damned.

I don't disagree. It seems to me that McVay likes to move the vet rather than sit them.

 

[dieterbrock]

I don't disagree. It seems to me that McVay likes to move the vet rather than sit them.

Hmmmm….. that checks out. Never thought about it like that

 

[Corbin]

I been a huge Tutu critic since literally the first second of the his drafting but I couldn’t say Tutu has bad hands, slightly to moderately above average TBH.

Don’t think that has ever been his issues. Part had been how little/fragile he is, another being a Tavon Austin clone and McVay don’t use them to much, and the lack of usage by McVay has been his downfall.

 

[Akrasian]

Kupps decline is the perfect spot to give him snaps of in fact you as McVay think Atwell is best used there. Egos be damned.

Kupp was too popular with the team to lose playing time to Tutu, but he no longer produced at a level that made sense to the team. Hence try to trade him, and cut him if need be.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Kupps decline is the perfect spot to give him snaps of in fact you as McVay think Atwell is best used there. Egos be damned.

There is a semi wrench in that plan draft wise.....what if Burden falls to us? I believe he's a viable option in the slot which may also explain the one year deal for Tutu for both sides?

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I been a huge Tutu critic since literally the first second of the his drafting but I couldn’t say Tutu has bad hands, slightly to moderately above average TBH.

Don’t think that has ever been his issues. Part had been how little/fragile he is, another being a Tavon Austin clone and McVay don’t use them to much, and the lack of usage by McVay has been his downfall.

I'm with you there. Tutu has produced and could put some numbers up. Where my concern lies is can he take a beating the whole year? I'd imagine every single opponent is going to be as physical as possible with him which is a smart approach.

 

[Ram Ts]

It’s rare for a rookie to come in to a SB contender and be a day 1 starter 50+ snaps a game. Especially one like McVay that requires them to know the offense and be able to block properly. Talent alone won’t do it for the rams. Picking a WR at 26 can happen. I think it’s whomever is top in their board regardless of position (mostly).

 

[El Chapo Jr]

It’s rare for a rookie to come in to a SB contender and be a day 1 starter 50+ snaps a game. Especially one like McVay that requires them to know the offense and be able to block properly. Talent alone won’t do it for the rams. Picking a WR at 26 can happen. I think it’s whomever is top in their board regardless of position (mostly).

I think as long as that rookie shows something on the field, McVay will play them. Happened with Puka and even he admitted he didn't fully know the playbook early on lol.... fuckin love Puka for admitting that

 

[PhillyRam]

I'm with you there. Tutu has produced and could put some numbers up. Where my concern lies is can he take a beating the whole year? I'd imagine every single opponent is going to be as physical as possible with him which is a smart approach.

If a WR falls to them who they can't pass up, I would assume Tutu gets the snaps early and the rookie would have to win the job from him...and maybe does by mid season. Either way the 1 year deal makes sense for both sides. You don't want to enter the season with Whittington as the #3, and with Nacua's own injury history, a chance to be the #2. So you bring back Tutu for experience purposes and sone rookie will privide depth behind Tutu & Whittington.

Maybe if Robinson wouldn't have had his legal issues, maybe Tutu is not offered a contract and Robinson is brought back on a short term deal instead.

It really isn't that hard to understand. Once it was decided that Kupp & Robinson wouldn't be asked back, you needed a vet for insurance to play with & behind, Nacua & Adams.

 

[dieterbrock]

I think as long as that rookie shows something on the field, McVay will play them. Happened with Puka and even he admitted he didn't fully know the playbook early on lol.... fuckin love Puka for admitting that

Puka was also forced in to playing early because of Kupp being out. A rookie WR will be stuck behind Puka, Davante and Tutu on the depth chart. Will be hard to get any significant PT

 

[El Chapo Jr]

If a WR falls to them who they can't pass up, I would assume Tutu gets the snaps early and the rookie would have to win the job from him...and maybe does by mid season. Either way the 1 year deal makes sense for both sides. You don't want to enter the season with Whittington as the #3, and with Nacua's own injury history, a chance to be the #2. So you bring back Tutu for experience purposes and sone rookie will privide depth behind Tutu & Whittington.

Maybe if Robinson wouldn't have had his legal issues, maybe Tutu is not offered a contract and Robinson is brought back on a short term deal instead.

It really isn't that hard to understand. Once it was decided that Kupp & Robinson wouldn't be asked back, you needed a vet for insurance to play with & behind, Nacua & Adams.

I actually do understand why he was brought back, just more so stating my concerns from a physicality standpoint for Tutu. I cringe anytime he takes a hit because he's a small dude by NFL standards. Its going to be interesting to see how he holds up because he's going to be relied upon much more unless Whittington or some rookie starts taking snaps from him. I for one hope he balls out as I do for any Ram since it benefits the team in general.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Puka was also forced in to playing early because of Kupp being out. A rookie WR will be stuck behind Puka, Davante and Tutu on the depth chart. Will be hard to get any significant PT

I wouldn't say it'll be hard if that rookie shows out but that's a big if. Puka played early because of injuries but he balled the fuck out of his mind. If any rookie does that again, big if obviously, I guarantee that McVay will sit Tutu's ass right back on the bench more often than not. I'd love that scenario to play out but get its a big, mostly improbable , not impossible ask.

 

[OldSchool]

Kupp was too popular with the team to lose playing time to Tutu, but he no longer produced at a level that made sense to the team. Hence try to trade him, and cut him if need be.

Am I allowed to say horse shit excuse? You literally agreed either me saying his production has dropped. Also players want to win and the players helping win the most are the ones the lockerroom wants to play. Also he can handle cutting Kupp while he's so popular but can't handle the locker room for cutting 15 or 20 snaps a game from him? Also Tutu could take snaps from Robinson and the snaps Puca sits.

There were plenty of snaps to give him last year.

 

[OldSchool]

There is a semi wrench in that plan draft wise.....what if Burden falls to us? I believe he's a viable option in the slot which may also explain the one year deal for Tutu for both sides?

I don't see that as a wrench at all but yes just me. Also Burden is the potential 1st round WR I want the least.

 

[DzRams]

There is a semi wrench in that plan draft wise.....what if Burden falls to us? I believe he's a viable option in the slot which may also explain the one year deal for Tutu for both sides?

This is not a wrench at all. It would be great to have depth behind Tutu just in case he's not as productive as we hope. At which point the draftee takes over the starting job.

If he is as productive as the he and the Rams are betting on, he'll be really expensive next year and they'll already have his replacement with a year's experience in the offense.