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[dieterbrock]

I wouldn't say it'll be hard if that rookie shows out but that's a big if. Puka played early because of injuries but he balled the fuck out of his mind. If any rookie does that again, big if obviously, I guarantee that McVay will sit Tutu's ass right back on the bench more often than not. I'd love that scenario to play out but get its a big, mostly improbable , not impossible ask.

A rookie WR wont have the chance to show out unless there's an injury.
They didnt throw 30+ mill at Davante and Tutu just to have either share snaps with a rookie.
Its not even close to the situation Puka came to.

 

[dieterbrock]

This is not a wrench at all

Exactly. Being in "win now" mode doesnt mean they'd pass up a talent who slipped to them

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I don't see that as a wrench at all but yes just me. Also Burden is the potential 1st round WR I want the least.

I'm guessing because of the diva thing being reported. I personally think he's a talent that should pnly be considered of McVay feels he can handle him and coach does have a record of working with one in Ramsey.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

A rookie WR wont have the chance to show out unless there's an injury.
They didnt throw 30+ mill at Davante and Tutu just to have either share snaps with a rookie.
Its not even close to the situation Puka came to.

I'm not even talking about Adams so apparently you're not understanding what Im saying lol. Saying they threw money at Tutu on a 1 year deal means shit honestly, its a 1 year deal. Its extremely plausible for the Rams to find someone that is taking the slot position longer than Tutu. As much as McVay admits to mis-using him doesn't mean he won't find someone else to use. If we draft a weapon at WR, I'd think we'd target a slot guy as Tutu is going to play that spot but is on a 1 year deal and isn't the most physically gifted guy so we may want someone to eventually replace him. I'm not even saying its a given but could be a possibility. Stances like yours kill me when you want to speak in absolutes....you must be a damn Sith lmao

 

[El Chapo Jr]

This is not a wrench at all. It would be great to have depth behind Tutu just in case he's not as productive as we hope. At which point the draftee takes over the starting job.

If he is as productive as the he and the Rams are betting on, he'll be really expensive next year and they'll already have his replacement with a year's experience in the offense.

Thats why I said semi wrench.....mostly a wrench for Tutu honestly if it goes down like I'm saying. Once again, I'll keep stating its a possibility not a given since ideas seem to get taken as bold predictions around these here parts lol

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Exactly. Being in "win now" mode doesnt mean they'd pass up a talent who slipped to them

Semi wrench....damn, do y'all read lol? I'll explain like I did earlier, that semi-wrench comment is mostly geared toward Tutu. It would definitely affect his usage if McVay finds a good slot that eventually makes him expendable. Once again, not saying it'll happen, but is always a possibility no matter how slight some may think it is.

 

[dieterbrock]

I'm not even talking about Adams so apparently you're not understanding what Im saying lol. Saying they threw money at Tutu on a 1 year deal means shit honestly, its a 1 year deal. Its extremely plausible for the Rams to find someone that is taking the slot position longer than Tutu. As much as McVay admits to mis-using him doesn't mean he won't find someone else to use. If we draft a weapon at WR, I'd think we'd target a slot guy as Tutu is going to play that spot but is on a 1 year deal and isn't the most physically gifted guy so we may want someone to eventually replace him. I'm not even saying its a given but could be a possibility. Stances like yours kill me when you want to speak in absolutes....you must be a damn Sith lmao

You are using Puka as an example as to why a rookie wr could "show out". Which is a completely disingenuous stance considering the actual circumstances. There isnt a world where McVay isnt giving Tutu every opportunity to shine as the #3
There are certain absolutes, and outside of injury there will be mere scraps for the #4/5 guy on the depth chart

 

[dieterbrock]

Semi wrench....damn, do y'all read lol? I'll explain like I did earlier, that semi-wrench comment is mostly geared toward Tutu. It would definitely affect his usage if McVay finds a good slot that eventually makes him expendable. Once again, not saying it'll happen, but is always a possibility no matter how slight some may think it is.

Funny how you criticize talking in absolutes and yet you are only seeing Tutu as a slot? That's hysterical. We have no idea what McVay has planned for this offense

 

[Mackeyser]

We all know that McVay gets hyperfixated on certain formations and things he wants to do. Kupp was always hard to take off the field because he blocked like a TE and made it easier to stay in his rut, for better or worse.

But, we know he can adjust because he used DeSean Jackson well (not enough, but he recognized that) and he used Tutu well when he had to (and admitted he needed to use him more)

I think we’re going to see more diversity in the play calling because he has newer pieces to work with in Adams and he needs to incorporate Tutu now. Whittington will provide some of the flex Kupp provided, but not enough for McVay to not need to change things up. If anything, I think he’s going to stress defenses vertically again and that’s always fun.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

You are using Puka as an example as to why a rookie wr could "show out". Which is a completely disingenuous stance considering the actual circumstances. There isnt a world where McVay isnt giving Tutu every opportunity to shine as the #3
There are certain absolutes, and outside of injury there will be mere scraps for the #4/5 guy on the depth chart

I'm only using Puka as an example, which actually happened, of a true rookie WR under McVay that showed out in camp and ended up getting playing time. Of course the circumstances are going to be different because we aren't asking any rookie WR to be a #1 or a #2 WR. However, to go out on a limb and say Tutu can't be supplanted as a #3 is hilarious as hell. Dude is on a 1 year deal. If Tutu shows out than obviously that point is moot. However, how do we know Tutu will hold up the whole year? Do we know if another receiver will outshine Tutu? Hell McVay had other WRs playing ahead of Tutu just last year not name D Robinson and Kupp. The fact that this is looked at this way by you reeks of I'm going to stand my ground no matter what. Have it my friend, I'm just more open that the #3 spot isn't necessarily concrete just for Tutu sake of a 1 year contract.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Funny how you criticize talking in absolutes and yet you are only seeing Tutu as a slot? That's hysterical. We have no idea what McVay has planned for this offense

Honestly, I see him as a slot, but if he plays out wide, hey so be it, I'm all for it if he can do it. I'm mostly guessing those spots are reserved for Adams and Puka. I could be wrong there as I've never claimed to know what's in McVay's mind. Other WRs could outplay Tutu there as well and I only see that happening if those outside CBs find ways to press Tutu effectively. Damn, see no absolutes hahaha.... don't take it so personally my guy. I did put that other part in blue to show I'm messing with ya.

 

[OldSchool]

I'm guessing because of the diva thing being reported. I personally think he's a talent that should pnly be considered of McVay feels he can handle him and coach does have a record of working with one in Ramsey.

I just want somebody other than a slot WR. I want somebody who can and has played a role other than that at WR and I'd like somebody with a little more speed burst. He's a fine WR I just want something else.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I just want somebody other than a slot WR. I want somebody who can and has played a role other than that at WR and I'd like somebody with a little more speed burst. He's a fine WR I just want something else.

Oh ok, I can understand that. I know the scouting report I read said Burden should be able to play all positions but I'll be the first to admit that I'm not sure if he played the majority of his reps outside or as a slot. I know from Steve Smith's assessment, he viewed him as a slot.

 

[OldSchool]

Oh ok, I can understand that. I know the scouting report I read said Burden should be able to play all positions but I'll be the first to admit that I'm not sure if he played the majority of his reps outside or as a slot. I know from Steve Smith's assessment, he viewed him as a slot.

Yeah he probably can play other spots but didn't Smith say something like 95% of his snaps were from the slot or some silly number?

 

[brucebruce]

I'm pumped to see this new WR attack with tutu starting.

 

[Classic Rams]

My only problem with Tutu is that he's hardly used. Maybe he's not the crushing pancake blocker that I thought he was.

 

[Memento]

Yeah he probably can play other spots but didn't Smith say something like 95% of his snaps were from the slot or some silly number?

As a Mizzou fan, a lot of Burden's touches came from the slot because that's how he was schemed. He's more than capable of playing outside (see, South Carolina touchdown).

 

[OldSchool]

As a Mizzou fan, a lot of Burden's touches came from the slot because that's how he was schemed. He's more than capable of playing outside (see, South Carolina touchdown).

All well and good, I've seen a lot of examples of it from the players I listed. Never said he couldn't do it or he was bad. Just said what I've seen from him is not what I want from a WR. But that's just my preference.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Yeah he probably can play other spots but didn't Smith say something like 95% of his snaps were from the slot or some silly number?

Obviously I wasn't paying super close attention hahaha. I was listening to that vid while doing chores around the house so some stuff I definitely caught and others I obviously missed. I got to give it a 2nd listen for sure.

 

[OldSchool]

Obviously I wasn't paying super close attention hahaha. I was listening to that vid while doing chores around the house so some stuff I definitely caught and others I obviously missed. I got to give it a 2nd listen for sure.

The Jayden Higgins video from Smith was posted in that thread.