Allen Robinson and 7th rd pick(251) traded to Pittsburgh Steelers for 7th rd pick(234)

[PhillyRam]

We seem to be more caught up with the draft compensation. I don't think that was the goal at all. Everything points to this year as a throwaway year. Its all about next year and beyond. If they win enough to make the playoffs then its just a bonus. But I don't believe that is the primary focus this year. Robinson underperformed last year. He hasn't played well the past few years. Not to mention guys like Tutu need more opportunities. Something he would not get if they kept Robinson. Tutu has the chance to be the WR3 now.

Yeah, to me it seems it's about setting the table for 24' & 25'.

So that entails:

1. Clearing cap space long-term
2. Add youth via draft, UDFA, & waiver wire during camp
3. Develop that youth to find solid starters as well as to strengthen the back end of the roster
4. Find out if recent draft picks will be a part of the future.

Then in 24' hit FA & trades to put them back into a SB window.

The question then is will Stafford & Donald be apart of a 24' & 25' window?

 

[dieterbrock]

They didn't clear cap because it's not June 1 yet. When the Rams declare their post June 1 transactions then the cap situation will be more clear. Right now it shows all the dead cap on this year's cap.

There is no post June 1 designation for trades
There is no cap clearing, not sure what you are missing. They remove the player and are in a worse cap space then before

 

[Flatlyner]

Those teams tanked their roster (equivalently) as the Rams this off-season? Percentage turn-over is maybe a way of saying it.

Well, in the NBA, tanking is well worth it. 1 single player can change your franchise for 10 years (see Embiid). Baseball, not so much. Their draft is still the crap shoots of crap shoots and they generally take a few years in minors to contribute at all.

Yeah, to me it seems it's about setting the table for 24' & 25'.

So that entails:

1. Clearing cap space long-term
2. Add youth via draft, UDFA, & waiver wire during camp
3. Develop that youth to find solid starters as well as to strengthen the back end of the roster
4. Find out if recent draft picks will be a part of the future.

Then in 24' hit FA & trades to put them back into a SB window.

The question then is will Stafford & Donald be apart of a 24' & 25' window?

I agree with the teams outline going forward, the issue with this philosophy is that every single other team is trying to nail their draft, shed cap, and develop also. We have a large problem in that our 3 best players will be 30 or over this season and, in the case of 2 of them, have one foot out the door into retirement. Tell me what we are left with if AD and Stafford retire? Essentially, one of, if not the worst team in the NFL. Clearly, that can change if we hit on a QB in the next 2 drafts, as that is far and away the most vital spot. Question is, do we gamble with a QB this year or, and more likely, take one highly in the 1st next year?

 

[Merlin]

So when does the ability to switch course quickly with a player, translate to being flighty and impatient with a player's development? We JUST got this guy and now we are dumping him? It's not as if our evaluators had no film to work with when they picked him up from the Bears last year.

So he's unhappy....so what? What did players do in the 70's when they were unhappy? They dealt with it and still played.

If McVay believed in his ability to come online in this offense they would have kissed his ass and thrown bro hugs at him and he'd still be in horns. As per usual this is all spin where they spare the player's ego while they throw his ass off the team for a ham sammich.

 

[Loyal]

If McVay believed in his ability to come online in this offense they would have kissed his ass and thrown bro hugs at him and he'd still be in horns. As per usual this is all spin where they spare the player's ego while they throw his ass off the team for a ham sammich.

If so, it still doesn't speak well to the Rams ability to evaluate players.

 

[VegasRam]

Yeah.

Getting rid of the player and a pick and get an equally shitty pick back AND you're paying 2/3 of his '23 salary? What is fucking point of THAT?!

The point is the definition of insanity.
Without assigning blame, AR and the Rams were/are not a good fit, so end it.
And the dead money (2/3 of his salary), we were paying anyway, so it's still a net $5M gain.
And finally, Rams get to look at/utilize another WR. I can't help thinking AR, at his pay, is the reason we didn't see more of McCutcheon, and the book on Tutu, imo, is not yet written.

 

[Merlin]

If so, it still doesn't speak well to the Rams ability to evaluate players.

Misses happen in FA. Plus the Rams have been fucking up their vet decision making for years and have missed on their share for sure. And yet still managed two Super Bowl appearances in a 5 year window.

So I'd love to see them bat a thousand but it's not realistic. They're human. Plus I was very excited about Robinson's signing when it happened, with visions of him giving us a second security blanket for Stafford. This means I feel this one rather acutely, the fail of it and all that. Oh well. On to the draft.

 

[PhillyRam]

Well, in the NBA, tanking is well worth it. 1 single player can change your franchise for 10 years (see Embiid). Baseball, not so much. Their draft is still the crap shoots of crap shoots and they generally take a few years in minors to contribute at all.

I agree with the teams outline going forward, the issue with this philosophy is that every single other team is trying to nail their draft, shed cap, and develop also. We have a large problem in that our 3 best players will be 30 or over this season and, in the case of 2 of them, have one foot out the door into retirement. Tell me what we are left with if AD and Stafford retire? Essentially, one of, if not the worst team in the NFL. Clearly, that can change if we hit on a QB in the next 2 drafts, as that is far and away the most vital spot. Question is, do we gamble with a QB this year or, and more likely, take one highly in the 1st next year?

Well, need a QB this yr just to be a back up. So I use a 4th rounder assuming they aquire one via trade down or trade up, and get a decent QB prospect.

Even with that, if they are able to land a top 3 QB in next yrs draft you still do it unless this yrs rookie is some kind of revelation.

 

[So Ram]

Well, need a QB this yr just to be a back up. So I use a 4th rounder assuming they aquire one via trade down or trade up, and get a decent QB prospect.

Even with that, if they are able to land a top 3 QB in next yrs draft you still do it unless this yrs rookie is some kind of revelation.

Just think The Rams could have had the $250 plus million Man in 2020.

 

[HitStick]

I'm almost positive we take Dell at #36...i'm not advocating for it but I can just feel it happening...

I would be extremely disappointed. He is the exact same player as Tutu. I’m good with a shorter receiver, but they have to have some sort of mass to them (Steve Smith, Tyreek, Lockett)…

I just don’t understand how we can continuously ignore the offensive line with potential day one starters for these tiny receivers. You block well enough and anyone can get open.

 

[Da-Rock]

I really don't get the "Tank" for Caleb angle......We would need to win, what....one game max to get the top spot in order to justify "Tanking"?
Does anyone here think Matthew Stafford and Mr on the field Titan #10 won't win more than that? You can debate the defense having issues and even the offense for some games, but I can't see this offense Not winning at least 3 games......are you all saying that the Texans, Cardinals, Panthers, and Bears will all have more wins?

 

[AZRams]

Teams were waiting for him to be released and get him for nothing. Moving up halfway in the 7th isn't nothing. Nick Sott was taken in the 7th round at 243. They clear enough cap to now have enough to pay their draft class and have contingency money going into next season. It gets them a decent developmental player like OG or WR who can also play STs.

AD is likely to retire next year. There is no guarantee Stafford won't retire as well. Taking the cap hits this year allows them not to be swamped next year in contingency. It's called financial planning. If one or both play through 2024 all's well and good, but neither will likely be active in 2025. It doesn't mean they are tanking this year. It means they come back to the pack this year and have to play well to be competitive. Like I said before this is the year where we see the quality of the Ram coaching staff.

All true but 'planning' for or expecting the same kind of success in the 7th round is not the most wise option.

 

[AZRams]

I really don't get the "Tank" for Caleb angle......We would need to win, what....one game max to get the top spot in order to justify "Tanking"?
Does anyone here think Matthew Stafford and Mr on the field Titan #10 won't win more than that? You can debate the defense having issues and even the offense for some games, but I can't see this offense Not winning at least 3 games......are you all saying that the Texans, Cardinals, Panthers, and Bears will all have more wins?

Precisely.

Folks don't understand just how bad the Rams would have to be to out-Houston the Texans or out-Chicago the Bears.

 

[Flatlyner]

I would be extremely disappointed. He is the exact same player as Tutu. I’m good with a shorter receiver, but they have to have some sort of mass to them (Steve Smith, Tyreek, Lockett)…

I just don’t understand how we can continuously ignore the offensive line with potential day one starters for these tiny receivers. You block well enough and anyone can get open.

5'8" 165lbs and slower then Tutu. Extremely disappointed would be an understatement and ROD would most certainly go down with the amount of folks on here bitching about it, and rightfully so. I REALLY hope McVay doesn't get blinders this year. Of all the years, we need to not get blinders for one guy or one position. BPA within reason.

 

[Flatlyner]

I really don't get the "Tank" for Caleb angle......We would need to win, what....one game max to get the top spot in order to justify "Tanking"?
Does anyone here think Matthew Stafford and Mr on the field Titan #10 won't win more than that? You can debate the defense having issues and even the offense for some games, but I can't see this offense Not winning at least 3 games......are you all saying that the Texans, Cardinals, Panthers, and Bears will all have more wins?

Well, 3 wins got the 1st pick this year and last, so not sure were you are getting that we cannot win more then 1. Add on to that the both of the teams that had only 3 wins have actually improved this offseason. We have decidedly not.

 

[PhillyRam]

All true but 'planning' for or expecting the same kind of success in the 7th round is not the most wise option.

The compensation was just a small bonus.

If they released Robinsin pre June 1st, they eat his entire guaranteed salary this yr. So they saved $5M this yr vs an out right release pre June 1st that would not saved that $5M. Granted overall they lost cap space vs what was listed a few days ago, but that number would be $5M worse if they had released him now.

Had they waited until after June 1st yo release him, they would save more 23' cap space, but would then have dead cap space in 24' for Robinson. Obviously that did not fit the plan of max cap space in 2024.

So it was a straight salary cap dump and the Steelers ate $5M for the Rams and gave us a slightly better 7th rd pick.

It is what it is.

 

[Merlin]

Well, need a QB this yr just to be a back up. So I use a 4th rounder assuming they aquire one via trade down or trade up, and get a decent QB prospect.

Even with that, if they are able to land a top 3 QB in next yrs draft you still do it unless this yrs rookie is some kind of revelation.

If there is a QB in this draft that they believe in then they may prioritize picking him to not only provide us a backup but to maybe hit on a replacement for Stafford. It's a good time for a move like that, in a rebuilding year, so whichever guy McVay has a woody over try to get him if at all possible.

Based on the interviews I suspect the guy is Hall. But if it's one of these other guys fine go get him and let's cross our fingers and hope maybe we have more than a backup on our hands down the road when Stafford is ready to hang 'em up.

 

[WestCoastRam]

The point is the definition of insanity.
Without assigning blame, AR and the Rams were/are not a good fit, so end it.
And the dead money (2/3 of his salary), we were paying anyway, so it's still a net $5M gain.
And finally, Rams get to look at/utilize another WR. I can't help thinking AR, at his pay, is the reason we didn't see more of McCutcheon, and the book on Tutu, imo, is not yet written.

I don't understand why you don't want to stay in a dead marriage! Think of the years we've put in, the vacations we've had, the kids... oh, okay, we don't have kids. But still!!

 

[PARAM]

All true but 'planning' for or expecting the same kind of success in the 7th round is not the most wise option.

Well to be fair, Skowronek was drafted in the 7th round of 2021 and though he had just 11 rec/133 yards as a rookie, he did have a couple of catches in the SB. Then as a 2nd year 7th round player he had 39 receptions, 376 yards last year while ARob had 33/339. Maybe they thought, "hell you can get equal production in the 7th round".........of course you can't expect it but......

 

[blackbart]

I haven’t heard the Rams say ‘23 is a throw away year, in fact they said they would compete for the division this year.

The roster looks scary bad, they have so many holes to fill I really have to question paying AR to play for someone else. He isn’t that bad.

I don’t see how any fans be ok with throwing a year away just because they made a run 2 years ago and won a SB .

I’m sure they are all on the same page and MAYBE Sneed isn’t on the hot seat but, if they don’t hit on a couple of players this year he might start looking for his next job.

The Rams may have been a destination a couple of years ago but, right now I don’t see that being the case. The roster is not competitive and the taxes are stupid.