Allen Robinson and 7th rd pick(251) traded to Pittsburgh Steelers for 7th rd pick(234)

[PARAM]

All true. And for the record I don't think anyone here believes either Snead or McVay are blameless. They missed big time on Robinson.

Question here is whether they're right about him. Because to move him like they just did means they have zero belief in his ability to execute this offense. That was a straight salary dump cut/trade of a mistake signing. But are they right about him.

Again I would have preferred they build value in him and move him at the deadline. But obviously they think that is not likely, otherwise that's what they would have done. This was rushing his ass out the door with no concern for perhaps recouping more value. Very interesting and I hope they're right about him.

Few liked the Robert Woods trade and the ARob signing. Apparently they overestimated ARobs ability to adapt to a pass happy offense and underestimated losing a familiar vet in Woods. The money was practically identical to the penny.

We do have some talent at wideout with Kupp > Jefferson > Tutu > Skow > McCutcheon. One Hall of Famer and some solid types around him isn't the worst setup. We're one speedy matchup problem away from a good starting group. So if Tutu or Jefferson step up this year we would be ok.

Especially if they get the TEs going. And maybe add one who can give us a future there too.

Someone stated, a 7th for ARob is not gonna get you equal talent in the draft. But who said they were using that 7th on a WR? It could be a kicker which would be way more value than what we saw last year. And of course they could use a higher pick to replenish the WR room. Maybe even improve it.

 

[Ram65]

Exactly plus if he does a lot better this season which should easily happen because Stafford is around all off season, Robinson knows the offense why not unload him when his stock is at a high like at the trade deadline because we could still trade him for the same price then. A deparate playoff team loses a bunch of wrs they will need replacements and I am sure we could get way more for him then if he performs.

All true. And for the record I don't think anyone here believes either Snead or McVay are blameless. They missed big time on Robinson.

Question here is whether they're right about him. Because to move him like they just did means they have zero belief in his ability to execute this offense. That was a straight salary dump cut/trade of a mistake signing. But are they right about him.

Again I would have preferred they build value in him and move him at the deadline. But obviously they think that is not likely, otherwise that's what they would have done. This was rushing his ass out the door with no concern for perhaps recouping more value. Very interesting and I hope they're right about him.

This, all of it
For 1 year of Allen Robinson, the Rams paid him 25.5 mill
14 mill signing bonus + 1.5 mill salary + 10 mill of 2023 comp

Hard to believe the money wasted with next to little compensation.

They could have kept him until the trade deadline to get the same money savings and have him available for the first 8 games. A little risky but the remaining players in the WR room all have injury histories. McVay uses a lot of three and four-WR sets so he could have had enough PT with the other WRs. If your going all in for 24 and 25 it would be wise to keep Kupp and the rest of the WRs healthy as possible and save some wear and tear.

Oh well, let's see how it all turns out. Hope for the best.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I don't feel as if I displayed an inordinate amount of either of those. I am just struggling to see the path for the Rams to build back to where they were even last year. Should (hopefully) be interesting to watch.

If all they do is revert to the mean of healthy players, they'll probably win 5 games alone... but maybe not 6!

 

[blackbart]

I seem to remember the overwhelming opinion of ARob last year, started in week 1 and got progressively vitriolic as the weeks went by. It was "he sucks. What a waste of money. Get rid of the guy". And now that they have, it's "he isn't bad and we could use him"?

As far as the roster "looking scary bad", isn't that a product of lack of famiarity? We've got Donald and a bunch of 2nd and 3rd year guys on the DL. Jones and not much familiarity at LB. Fuller at S and a bunch of 2nd year guys we hardly know. It's been concluded our OL sucks but is that really the case? Where else are we weak on offense? RB? We'll get one of those in draft, I'd bet. TE? Prolly one of those too. Maybe even an IOL. For sure a WR now. And a bunch of defensive guys. The top 3 picks are going to be the guyd we need to break into the lineup and at least contribute at some point in the season. But it's scary bad because we don't know many of them, they're young and inexperienced. Does that mean it's an absolute fail? Not so sure about that.

I don’t recall the same posts you are referencing about AR. What I recall is why isn’t he being targeted more. If you’re going to pay someone $10 million they ought to be on your roster not some other team. When he was targeted he produced, even if it was with the backups. With a healthy Stafford, hopefully for the full year, I have no doubt that he’d have much better numbers.

The other guys on the roster who haven’t played much, there are reasons for that. Mostly they didn’t force their way in to more playing time. When they did get in most were not impressive, we can only hope we get a year or two from them before they are gone. They way the team has been run would indicate none will get a second contract.

I am hopeful that the draft has at least two players who break the starting line up not because the roster is so weak but because they are the next wave of core players.

 

[PARAM]

I don’t recall the same posts you are referencing about AR. What I recall is why isn’t he being targeted more. If you’re going to pay someone $10 million they ought to be on your roster not some other team. When he was targeted he produced, even if it was with the backups. With a healthy Stafford, hopefully for the full year, I have no doubt that he’d have much better numbers.

The other guys on the roster who haven’t played much, there are reasons for that. Mostly they didn’t force their way in to more playing time. When they did get in most were not impressive, we can only hope we get a year or two from them before they are gone. They way the team has been run would indicate none will get a second contract.

I am hopeful that the draft has at least two players who break the starting line up not because the roster is so weak but because they are the next wave of core players.

Well I remember those comments. It wasn't until mid season the target issue came up. But no big deal. He's gone.

"The other guys" sometimes turn into key guys. Greg Gaines was one of "the other guys". 26 GP, 0 GS his first 2 years. He played 183 defensive snaps his first season, 201 his second and then 780 his third. After his 4th he signed with Tampa. But he wasn't a big contributor until year 3. Of course we forget that. Same with Nick Scott. 15 snaps as a rookie. 191 in year 2. Third year, 413 snaps. Year 4? 1050. Suddenly they're players we didn't want to lose but they weren't always that way. The problem is we forget. We lose a starter, however good or marginal and suddenly, it's impossible for a 2nd year or 3rd year guy to replace them. Except it isn't. We just forget.

Ramsey we're gonna miss. But even if we had a veteran ready to take over, we'd prolly still miss Ramsey some. One big loss. JR. Floyd? Wagner? Gaines? Scott? Not so much. Who's to say Bobby Brown or Ernest Brown or Larry Murhcison or Copeland won't be pretty good players in their 3rd year? Who's to say Durant and Kendricks won't take a decent step forward after their rookie years? We can't with any kind of certainty. But that's life in the NFL. Gaines and Scott replaced somebody too. But we forget.

 

[PhillyRam]

That IS the question. IMO, ‘24 will be the last gasp for Donald and Stafford (here’s hoping they have enough gas for that!). This is why this draft and next is so important.

Simply put, the Rams need to hit on somebody big. Sure, they have a lotta holes to fill, but that’s just to be competitive. They need a couple stars to make a run, especially if we’re talking ‘25. That’s 3 seasons away!

And they need recent picks like Earnest Jones, Durant, Bobby Brown, Alaric Jackson, Rochelle, Kyren Williams, Bruss, Atwell, Yeast/Lake, and even Skowronek to step up and be key players and in some cases like Jones, become leaders.

 

[PhillyRam]

Well I remember those comments. It wasn't until mid season the target issue came up. But no big deal. He's gone.

"The other guys" sometimes turn into key guys. Greg Gaines was one of "the other guys". 26 GP, 0 GS his first 2 years. He played 183 defensive snaps his first season, 201 his second and then 780 his third. After his 4th he signed with Tampa. But he wasn't a big contributor until year 3. Of course we forget that. Same with Nick Scott. 15 snaps as a rookie. 191 in year 2. Third year, 413 snaps. Year 4? 1050. Suddenly they're players we didn't want to lose but they weren't always that way. The problem is we forget. We lose a starter, however good or marginal and suddenly, it's impossible for a 2nd year or 3rd year guy to replace them. Except it isn't. We just forget.

Ramsey we're gonna miss. But even if we had a veteran ready to take over, we'd prolly still miss Ramsey some. One big loss. JR. Floyd? Wagner? Gaines? Scott? Not so much. Who's to say Bobby Brown or Ernest Brown or Larry Murhcison or Copeland won't be pretty good players in their 3rd year? Who's to say Durant and Kendricks won't take a decent step forward after their rookie years? We can't with any kind of certainty. But that's life in the NFL. Gaines and Scott replaced somebody too. But we forget.

My one criticism of what they have done is I think they could have and should have kept Gaines, especially considering what he signed for.

At the very least he could have a been a bridge in leadership from Donald to the next DL group

 

[PARAM]

My one criticism of what they have done is I think they could have and should have kept Gaines, especially considering what he signed for.

At the very least he could have a been a bridge in leadership from Donald to the next DL group

I liked Gaines. Maybe he thought, "I'll take a 1 year deal with Tampa, then come back when they afford to give me more money"? More likely they probably figured they could replace him with Bobby Brown.

 

[Ram Ts]

I liked Gaines. Maybe he thought, "I'll take a 1 year deal with Tampa, then come back when they afford to give me more money"? More likely they probably figured they could replace him with Bobby Brown.

I think it was exactly the latter. We’re not spending crap on this year and instead gonna let young guys play. Young guys we believe in (or hope they will ascend). But they are willing to take a hit potentially performance wise in their goal of opening space for future years. Every single dollar.

 

[Ramhusker]

At the end of the day, the Rams must feel decent with the WRs they have now and think they can cultivate some late picks into service.

 

[snackdaddy]

The compensation was just a small bonus.

If they released Robinsin pre June 1st, they eat his entire guaranteed salary this yr. So they saved $5M this yr vs an out right release pre June 1st that would not saved that $5M. Granted overall they lost cap space vs what was listed a few days ago, but that number would be $5M worse if they had released him now.

Had they waited until after June 1st yo release him, they would save more 23' cap space, but would then have dead cap space in 24' for Robinson. Obviously that did not fit the plan of max cap space in 2024.

So it was a straight salary cap dump and the Steelers ate $5M for the Rams and gave us a slightly better 7th rd pick.

It is what it is.

Everything they are doing sure points to this year being a throwaway year. Its all about next year and beyond. Pissed off Rams fans on twitter who think they should be going all in every year will be annoying. So will the anti Rams division rivals who will be gloating. I don't do twitter anymore so I won't have to see it.

 

[Neil039]

Is it 1979? The Steelers just used The Rams up like an on tissue next to @Loyal s nightstand.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Is it 1979? The Steelers just used The Rams up like an on tissue next to @Loyal s nightstand.

Little disconcerting that you know what’s next to @Loyal ‘s nightstand.

 

[Neil039]

Little disconcerting that you know what’s next to @Loyal ‘s nightstand.

After years of his posts I am using my old detective skills to deduce what is likely there…lol

 

[Loyal]

After years of his posts I am using my old detective skills to deduce what is likely there…lol

Don’t lie now, Neil. Just don’t tell him about the hot tub extras…

 

[Loyal]

Don’t lie now, Neil. Just don’t tell him about the hot tub extras…

 

[Mackeyser]

Well...my hope was that moving on from AR would save money we could use to bring back OBJ.... but since that's not happening.....I'm guessing the importance of drafting a WR is now higher to go with the guys we have left for that 3rd WR spot in Tutu, McCutchen and Skowronek.... There are some solid options in this draft in the middle to even later rounds.

A guy like Bryce Ford-Wheaton or AT Perry could be had in rounds 3-5.

Let's not forget Jacob Harris

Edit: just found out he's a FA, so there goes that

 

[Merlin]

After years of his posts I am using my old detective skills to deduce what is likely there…lol

I'm guessing...

- Playboy Magazine dated December 1978 (mysteriously missing the centerfold of Farrah)

- LED flashlight

- Decimated box of tissues

- Bottle of Jurgens lotion

 

[RocknRam29]

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1649213657031516161?t=o4bSi-LTm9kIYpLxeWLyug&s=19

 

[Tano]

Certainly a factor. But McVay is more than capable of adjusting to that don't you think. If Robinson had nothing to do with his struggles. If he was some victim of circumstance.

So I think his part in the failure, his contribution, was that he didn't know wtf he was doing. It's the only thing that explains the behaviors we are seeing.

That may be true but damn on almost every pass play either Kupp or Higbee was the first read.

I almost never saw Robinson be the first read.

And because of the shitty line - Stafford went to his first read on almost every play.