OFFICIAL 2023 NFL trades, cuts, free agents, and more

[KA210927]

Tank for Caleb

 

[dieterbrock]

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Ravens are competing with themselves here. Jackson with zero leverage and yet they still cave in

 

[jrry32]

Ravens are competing with themselves here. Jackson with zero leverage and yet they still cave in

Jackson is a successful QB and a former NFL MVP who just turned 26 years old. He has plenty of leverage.

 

[dieterbrock]

Jackson is a successful QB and a former NFL MVP who just turned 26 years old. He has plenty of leverage.

There are no teams out there looking to sign him

 

[jrry32]

There are no teams out there looking to sign him

Because he's franchised. With him, the Ravens can win their division and contend. Without him, they're mediocre at best. His leverage is his ability to refuse to sign the franchise tender and hold out.

 

[dieterbrock]

Because he's franchised. With him, the Ravens can win their division and contend. Without him, they're mediocre at best. His leverage is his ability to refuse to sign the franchise tender and hold out.

Which is no leverage. Sit out a whole season? And be right back where he started? That's not leverage.
In any event, dont confuse my criticism with how Baltimore "caved" with my belief in Jackson as a player. Now that he actually has a weapon to work with, I think whatever contract he signs will be justified. I'd take Jackson over Hurts, Jones or Geno and their ridiculous contracts any day of the week and twice on Sunday

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Because he's franchised. With him, the Ravens can win their division and contend. Without him, they're mediocre at best. His leverage is his ability to refuse to sign the franchise tender and hold out.

The Rams gave up Goff and two first round picks for Stafford. The Niners gave up three first round picks to draft Lance.

If teams feel that Lamar is a franchise changing player that can get them to a Super Bowl, then trading two first round picks to get him is the right choice. Yet no team has pulled the trigger.

If Lamar had a few suitors he’d have a lot of leverage. Otherwise this is just a stalemate.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I view the Lamar Jackson matter very simply. Think it is about just one thing.

Percentage of guaranteed-$. That's it. Absolutely nothing else.

Every top-tier-QB, whether you think they are top-5, top-10, or borderline top-10 receives a big contract. Usually a five-year-deal. The Average-per-year usually goes up a little with each signing. None of that matters.

The common thread is the percentage of the total that is guaranteed. It has almost universally been 65%-72%.

One exception. Deshaun Watson.

Watson was truly a unique situation. Top-tier-talent, under contract for big-$, wanted to be traded, his team wanted to trade him but he had a no-trade-clause. Houston agreed to compensation with five different teams; and told Watson 'Pick One'. Watson began to narrow his choices. Cleveland did not make the first-cut.
Browns' ownership said ... 'Hey Deshaun! What if we fully guaranteed your contract?'
Watson replied ... "I think Cleveland would be a lovely place to play football'.

And every owner in the NFL said "Fuck You Jimmy and Dee Haslam!"

No quality quarterback since then has gotten a fully guaranteed deal.

Yesterday, Jalen Hurts signed for $255M and five years ($51M-per-year). Herbert and Burrow will likely sign next; and the first to sign will get a little more; and the one that signs last, will get even a little more.

Hurts got $179M guaranteed. 179 divided by 255 equals 70%. That's it! That's the entire point.

From everything I have seen, heard and read, Lamar Jackson wants a fully guaranteed deal; and every owner ... THUS FAR ... has refused to join the Haslam's in the NFL Owners' version of the Shit List, Commonly referred to as the Dan Snyder List.

There are teams that would absolutely surrender multiple high picks for Jackson, and give him a huge deal. Just not fully guaranteed.

The argument that Watson re-set the market is absurd, given the unique circumstances surrounding the Watson trade and contract; and given that no other top-tier-QB has gotten a fully guaranteed deal. In fact, the percentage of guaranteed-$ has not really increased. Now if another owner agrees to a fully-guaranteed-deal (i.e. Pulls-A-Haslam), the conversation changes.

 

[Flatlyner]

I view the Lamar Jackson matter very simply. Think it is about just one thing.

Percentage of guaranteed-$. That's it. Absolutely nothing else.

Every top-tier-QB, whether you think they are top-5, top-10, or borderline top-10 receives a big contract. Usually a five-year-deal. The Average-per-year usually goes up a little with each signing. None of that matters.

The common thread is the percentage of the total that is guaranteed. It has almost universally been 65%-72%.

One exception. Deshaun Watson.

Watson was truly a unique situation. Top-tier-talent, under contract for big-$, wanted to be traded, his team wanted to trade him but he had a no-trade-clause. Houston agreed to compensation with five different teams; and told Watson 'Pick One'. Watson began to narrow his choices. Cleveland did not make the first-cut.
Browns' ownership said ... 'Hey Deshaun! What if we fully guaranteed your contract?'
Watson replied ... "I think Cleveland would be a lovely place to play football'.

And every owner in the NFL said "Fuck You Jimmy and Dee Haslam!"

No quality quarterback since then has gotten a fully guaranteed deal.

Yesterday, Jalen Hurts signed for $255M and five years ($51M-per-year). Herbert and Burrow will likely sign next; and the first to sign will get a little more; and the one that signs last, will get even a little more.

Hurts got $179M guaranteed. 179 divided by 255 equals 70%. That's it! That's the entire point.

From everything I have seen, heard and read, Lamar Jackson wants a fully guaranteed deal; and every owner ... THUS FAR ... has refused to join the Haslam's in the NFL Owners' version of the Shit List, Commonly referred to as the Dan Snyder List.

There are teams that would absolutely surrender multiple high picks for Jackson, and give him a huge deal. Just not fully guaranteed.

The argument that Watson re-set the market is absurd, given the unique circumstances surrounding the Watson trade and contract; and given that no other top-tier-QB has gotten a fully guaranteed deal. In fact, the percentage of guaranteed-$ has not really increased. Now if another owner agrees to a fully-guaranteed-deal (i.e. Pulls-A-Haslam), the conversation changes.

Excellent and accurate post. This is the only reason he isn't on another team. The only. He'd have been a Colt weeks ago at minimum. Browns were absolute desperate fools and its being proven every game Watson plays like shit, which has almost been every game he's played as a Brown.

 

[Merlin]

I view the Lamar Jackson matter very simply. Think it is about just one thing.

Percentage of guaranteed-$. That's it. Absolutely nothing else.

That is an oversimplification.

Projected ability to be available--due to his play style that introduces extra risk of injury--factors in here and magnifies his guaranteed money demands.

The lack of suitors for a 26 year old QB factors in here too. If there were teams offering packages of picks for him the Ravens would deal him for the picks and he would get what he wants.

 

[Flatlyner]

I still believe fairly strongly, if his contract demands were not a fully guaranteed massive contract, he'd be on another team. Sure, factor in his injury risk, of course, but that just comes back to the guarantee's in the end. No team wants to pay a huge guaranteed contract for a guy on IR.

 

[Allen2McVay]

That is an oversimplification.

I wrote it that way with you in mind.

 

[KA210927]

I am glad they were able to get rid of that Allen Robinson contract. I think they will go all in again next season for AD and Staffords last season. They should have all their picks and a lot of money to make some moves.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I view the Lamar Jackson matter very simply. Think it is about just one thing.

Percentage of guaranteed-$. That's it. Absolutely nothing else.

Every top-tier-QB, whether you think they are top-5, top-10, or borderline top-10 receives a big contract. Usually a five-year-deal. The Average-per-year usually goes up a little with each signing. None of that matters.

The common thread is the percentage of the total that is guaranteed. It has almost universally been 65%-72%.

One exception. Deshaun Watson.

Watson was truly a unique situation. Top-tier-talent, under contract for big-$, wanted to be traded, his team wanted to trade him but he had a no-trade-clause. Houston agreed to compensation with five different teams; and told Watson 'Pick One'. Watson began to narrow his choices. Cleveland did not make the first-cut.
Browns' ownership said ... 'Hey Deshaun! What if we fully guaranteed your contract?'
Watson replied ... "I think Cleveland would be a lovely place to play football'.

And every owner in the NFL said "Fuck You Jimmy and Dee Haslam!"

No quality quarterback since then has gotten a fully guaranteed deal.

Yesterday, Jalen Hurts signed for $255M and five years ($51M-per-year). Herbert and Burrow will likely sign next; and the first to sign will get a little more; and the one that signs last, will get even a little more.

Hurts got $179M guaranteed. 179 divided by 255 equals 70%. That's it! That's the entire point.

From everything I have seen, heard and read, Lamar Jackson wants a fully guaranteed deal; and every owner ... THUS FAR ... has refused to join the Haslam's in the NFL Owners' version of the Shit List, Commonly referred to as the Dan Snyder List.

There are teams that would absolutely surrender multiple high picks for Jackson, and give him a huge deal. Just not fully guaranteed.

The argument that Watson re-set the market is absurd, given the unique circumstances surrounding the Watson trade and contract; and given that no other top-tier-QB has gotten a fully guaranteed deal. In fact, the percentage of guaranteed-$ has not really increased. Now if another owner agrees to a fully-guaranteed-deal (i.e. Pulls-A-Haslam), the conversation changes.

Two seasons with injuries may be marking the precipitous decline of Jackson’s ability to run. You don’t think NFL teams recognize that trend with running QBs?

 

[Allen2McVay]

Two seasons with injuries may be marking the precipitous decline of Jackson’s ability to run. You don’t think NFL teams recognize that trend with running QBs?

I think Jackson gets a huge deal from the Ravens, if he accepts 75% guaranteed.

I think teams, without a quality-Quarterback, line-up to trade multiple high picks for Jackson; and then sign him to a huge deal, if he accepts 75% guaranteed.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I think Jackson gets a huge deal from the Ravens, if he accepts 75% guaranteed.

I think teams, without a quality-Quarterback, line-up to trade multiple high picks for Jackson; and then sign him to a huge deal, if he accepts 75% guaranteed.

Giving a lot of guaranteed money to a running QB who is starting to have injuries is a risk.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Giving a lot of guaranteed money to a running QB who is starting to have injuries is a risk.

I don't disagree with that. I don't think Lamar Jackson is elite.

I do think teams pay big for the Quarterback position.

Arizona risked a lot to re-sign Kyler Murray. Denver gave-up a ton for Russell Wilson. Carolina traded a lot for the 1st overall pick this year. San Francisco traded three #1s for Trey Lance. When Carson Wentz signed his extension with the Eagles, he was one of the NFL's highest paid QBs. A month later, the Rams signed Goff for even more money. Then the Rams gave up a ton for Stafford. The Giants just paid Daniel Jones big-$.

Many of theses moves did not work out. A couple did; and a few are still to be determined.

My posts have nothing to do with QB Evaluation. It's all about how teams value and pay for the position.

 

[jrry32]

Which is no leverage. Sit out a whole season? And be right back where he started? That's not leverage.
In any event, dont confuse my criticism with how Baltimore "caved" with my belief in Jackson as a player. Now that he actually has a weapon to work with, I think whatever contract he signs will be justified. I'd take Jackson over Hurts, Jones or Geno and their ridiculous contracts any day of the week and twice on Sunday

Nuking Baltimore's season is plenty of leverage. It's enough leverage that they're negotiating and targeting WRs Lamar wants.

The Rams gave up Goff and two first round picks for Stafford. The Niners gave up three first round picks to draft Lance.

If teams feel that Lamar is a franchise changing player that can get them to a Super Bowl, then trading two first round picks to get him is the right choice. Yet no team has pulled the trigger.

If Lamar had a few suitors he’d have a lot of leverage. Otherwise this is just a stalemate.

NFL teams can be very stupid. They can also be very underhanded. Either could be the case here.

 

[PARAM]

I don't see him anywhere but Baltimore. They built/designed their offense for him. If he goes somewhere else, he might not enjoy that advantage. But who knows? When it comes to huge money, anything can happen.

 

[CGI_Ram]

They built/designed their offense for him.

That’s another reason he is an unusual free agent / tagged player; he seems more fit specific than the average player.