What Assistant Coaches Do You Want? Who do you think they will hire? Who have they hired?

[den-the-coach]

Big Rob tried to play Whitworths role & it didn’t go so well.In fact maybe it is time for him to go & let the Yourh In!!

Gutsy call there, however, Havenstein answered the call every single day and was the only one of the starting 5 to play the whole year. Now I do agree they might have to look at who his replacement is going to be down the line, however, I don't expect Havenstein to be released anytime soon.

IMO, the mistake was not keeping Corbett, it's obvious he should have been kept over Allen and then could have played Center and the Rams could have drafted a Center to back him up. However, Allen saved the Rams bacon in 2021 and they were not going to allow him to walk IMHO.

 

[Allen2McVay]

The 1 player who totally regressed was Big Max. He had promise & I saw him get isolated.Team unity wasn’t there.
Big Rob tried to play Whitworths role & it didn’t go so well.In fact maybe it is time for him to go & let the Yourh In!!

Max? You mean Pircher?
How could a player that has never played regress?
If he ‘regressed’ in practice, how would you know?
‘Isolated’? How could you know? Where did you see that?

And yes, absolutely, the Rams should move on from … literally … the only OL that did not get injured.

 

[So Ram]

Gutsy call there, however, Havenstein answered the call every single day and was the only one of the starting 5 to play the whole year. Now I do agree they might have to look at who his replacement is going to be down the line, however, I don't expect Havenstein to be released anytime soon.

IMO, the mistake was not keeping Corbett, it's obvious he should have been kept over Allen and then could have played Center and the Rams could have drafted a Center to back him up. However, Allen saved the Rams bacon in 2021 and they were not going to allow him to walk IMHO.

The mistake was in 2021 not drafting a C/G. Corbett has NEVER PROVED he could play CENTER!! If you look at his price tag & Comp pick Rhe Rams received for him leaving was well worth it.
Lance Dickerson was the Player I wanted The Rams to trade up for. He fell into that draft range you move up for. The season before (2020) would’ve drafted Johnathan Taylor. All hindsight though.

Rob Havienstien- yes has preformed up to his contract & has been a team leader.I just think his play became POOR the 2nd half of the season & the scrubs were playing as well as he was. I’d look at cost & youth?

Tough call,but whoever The Rams bring in to coach the O’Line needs to evaluate value & depth. We can say draft a player,but it has to be the right player.

 

[dieterbrock]

Two words: Bobby Evans.

Curious, why would that be on Carberry?
Drafted under Kromer's watch, and made it thru 2 seasons prior to Carb showing up

 

[So Ram]

Max? You mean Pircher?
How could a player that has never played regress?
If he ‘regressed’ in practice, how would you know?
‘Isolated’? How could you know? Where did you see that?

And yes, absolutely, the Rams should move on from … literally … the only OL that did not get injured.

If that is your standard of Offensive line play then there you have it. Of course I’m being a little hard on Rob Havienstien,but how he was getting beat & his Pass/Pro . His price tag I really don’t what that compares to now a days contracts?

I saw Max in training camp.He seemed not to fit in. He came out to get extra work with the rookies & the coaches never got him in the drill. He went and did his own shadow thing.
He looked better when he was 19,whatever year that was? He worked with a center that got cut & Hoecht was helping out working with them after practice.
—You can see the players that want it & put the extra work in.

In 2021 it was Whitworth working with Noteboom & Havenstien on pass pro.

Whatever or however you think of my opinion is cool. Just viewing & wondering what Zak Kromer role will be with The Rams. If he got released & Xarberry would have been back maybe my view wouldn’t be as harsh.
As far as Big Rob goes, I think he lost confidence & has always had trouble with edge rushers.I thought when Aaron Kromer out Havienstien at RG made sense. He is a heck of a RUN blocker & would have protection outside.
I would say The Rams always look out for the best interest of the player. I would say though that The Rams keep Big Rob and if the do draft a OT & can save salary cap space & keep a younger player who has more upside you do It.
Your right- you don’t just cut a player without already have a quality replacement.The Rams praying to draft Bruss is not a good situation,especially if the player is BAD?

 

[Merlin]

The OL did look like dog shit early in the season. The injuries sank the season for sure but prior to that these guys were not a good line. Far from it. Funny thing is when I considered that a few months back in kicking around the idea of the OL coach getting canned it seemed to me that not playing the starters in preseason, along with the line retooling, was likely part of the problem. So I wasn't comfortable saying he deserved to be fired.

But the guy might be a whiny bitch behind the scenes. Or irritating enough to rub the boss the wrong way.

I have to say the OL improvement we saw in the Super Bowl season was the best I've seen in many years. The technique improvement in picking up blitzes and stunts was profound. So Carberry will probably have plenty of good choices in his next job.

All that aside I'm not gonna feel sorry for him. I never got the feeling Carberry is some sort of savant with the line. So onwards and upwards and let's hope McVay kills this hire for his replacement because improvement on that line is sorely needed.

 

[So Ram]

Curious, why would that be on Carberry?
Drafted under Kromer's watch, and made it thru 2 seasons prior to Carb showing up

Did you see how he played under Aaron Kromer vs. Careberry. Especially after having 2 years of NFL experience.He got worse than getting better. He still keep him in the starting lineup.

The Rams had how many injuries & Bobby Evans was healthy & BENCHED finally. Then cut.

 

[dieterbrock]

Did you see how he played under Aaron Kromer vs. Careberry. Especially after having 2 years of NFL experience.He got worse than getting better. He still keep him in the starting lineup.

The Rams had how many injuries & Bobby Evans was healthy & BENCHED finally. Then cut.

Did you see him play under Kromer in his 2nd season? I'll answer that for you, no you didnt. Because he had 1 snap on the o-line all season. Barely saw the field in '21
So I dont know where you saw his "regression" because it surely wasnt on the field
Heck, who knows if we would have even saw him last season if not for losing 3 guys before he saw the field

 

[FaulkSF]

Curious, why would that be on Carberry?
Drafted under Kromer's watch, and made it thru 2 seasons prior to Carb showing up

Because he continually played poorly, yet Carberry didn't have the leadership and courage to bench him due to his poor play. Instead he got Staff injured.

 

[dieterbrock]

Because he continually played poorly, yet Carberry didn't have the leadership and courage to bench him due to his poor play. Instead he got Staff injured.

He only played after injuries took out other players, so who was he supposed to replace him with?

 

[OldSchool]

The OL did look like dog shit early in the season.

McVay's decision not to play them as much in preseason practice/scrims/games IMO. McVay is not alone in this but he was really the trendsetter of this habit. I'm sure most of us would like to see them play more not really all the time in camp but more to gel.

 

[OldSchool]

He only played after injuries took out other players, so who was he supposed to replace him with?

Some dude working at a grocery store in LA. DUH!

 

[BonifayRam]

Curious, why would that be on Carberry?
Drafted under Kromer's watch, and made it thru 2 seasons prior to Carb showing up

Never should have made the initial 2022 MR53 roster. The talent/Skill was not there & there was no potential for any further development or improvement going into his last season on his initial rookie contract & being a UFA in March.

It's a clear poor decision by the OL coach in hindsight. Evans took an Ol position that a younger future potential Ram OL'er could have filled which would help this Ol going into the future. Evans is part of the recent past that all Ram should want to forget.

 

[PARAM]

The OL did look like dog shit early in the season. The injuries sank the season for sure but prior to that these guys were not a good line. Far from it.

They all looked bad vs Buffalo. Then by the time Stafford took the third snap from Shelton in week 2 we were on our third RG. To start week 4, Evans was the starter at LG because Allen, Anchrum and Edwards were out and Shelton left that game after 22 plays. The OL did look like shit but I'd use the words "in shambles" as a more accurate term. The lack of "continuity" was obvious and though that doesn't suggest simply running out the same 5 guys every week is going to give you a good OL, it means even with talent, the lack of continuity will produce a much lesser product.

I keep going back to Noteboom, who's injuries in 2019 and 2022 cost us dearly. After rewatching the first 5 games of 2022, I didn't see the guy OL critics in Ramsnation describe. He has a quick kick step, seems to always be in balance and clearly protected Stafford's blind side extremely well. Stoned the DE/OLB most of the time in pass pro. He's also quick and efficient in the run game. I've been told (elsewhere) "WTF??? He was leading the NFL in sacks allowed (5) and pressures (23) when he was injured!!!! He sucks!!!!". But if you rewatch those first 5 games and focus on just JN, you'd see in reality he allowed just 2 sacks in 5 games. I question the other 3 sacks PFF credited to him. Pressure? Another PFF measure, that's measured in inexact ways. I didn't see 1 DL he was blocking touch #9 or affect the throw, except when he allowed those 2 sacks.

But the "company line" line is "Noteboom sucks", which is not the case IMHO. I fully expect when he's healed (which should be in July) the OL will have him at LT and Jackson at LG.

 

[den-the-coach]

But the "company line" line is "Noteboom sucks", which is not the case IMHO. I fully expect when he's healed (which should be in July) the OL will have him at LT and Jackson at LG.

I'm not sure as it seemed that before the injury, Noteboom was fine against a nobody, but struggled against the somebodies. Also, his lack a durability is a major concern and it seemed every time he filled in for Whitworth, he was injured the very next week and now the Rams are asking Noteboom to play a whole season, which he's never done if starting.

It's obvious the Rams first pick needs to be edge, but in the 3rd round I would go get the best LT and let him compete too, although it's nice that Jackson could hold that position down too if called upon.

 

[Allen2McVay]

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It's obvious the Rams first pick needs to be edge, but in the 3rd round I would go get the best LT and let him compete too, although it's nice that Jackson could hold that position down too if called upon.

I don't know about that.

Agree that Edge is a Big-need-spot but I think the Rams have to use that initial pick on their highest rated player (or a teeny-tiny WR) at one of several positions ... Edge, O-Line and Cornerback the leading candidates.

It's super ... duper ... early but there may be excellent depth at late-Round 1 Cornerbacks this year.

Not saying ... Just saying.

I hear @Elmgrovegnome is a HUGE Calijah Kancey fan ...

 

[BonifayRam]

I'm not sure as it seemed that before the injury, Noteboom was fine against a nobody, but struggled against the somebodies. Also, his lack a durability is a major concern and it seemed every time he filled in for Whitworth, he was injured the very next week and now the Rams are asking Noteboom to play a whole season, which he's never done if starting.

It's obvious the Rams first pick needs to be edge, but in the 3rd round I would go get the best LT and let him compete too, although it's nice that Jackson could hold that position down too if called upon.

Big stinky question..... What do Snead/McVay plan to do with Noteboom who is their highest-paid OL'er & his new contract?

So much of that 3 seasons $40 million {$10 million signing bonus, $25 million guaranteed} was pushed far into the far future when Noteboom will have long departed. This 2022 season on this new $40 mil contract cap hit was ONLY -$3.5 million.

This upcoming 2023, season the {damaged rehabbing} Noteboom will earn a base salary of $8.5 mil. & roster bonus of $5 mil, while carrying a cap hit of $15.5 million & a dead cap value of $13 million.

* Trade Him????? When????? Which insane NFL team will trade for Noteboom with his ugly baggage ($$$$$$$$ contract / highly injury prone/ damaged} OL'er ?

* Plan to slowly blend Noteboom into the lineup if healthy in the 2023 bye as a reserve swing OT? What do the Rams do with the OT's who have been working hard before the bye as the Swing OT's like Arcuri or Pircher or Zac Thomas?

*Play Noteboom when healthy @ LT & bench 3rd season pro-Alaric Jackson who is the most likely candidate to start the season. The results of doing that, have a bad history outcome on OL CONTINUITY.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I don't know about that.

Agree that Edge is a Big-need-spot but I think the Rams have to use that initial pick on their highest rated player (or a teeny-tiny WR) at one of several positions ... Edge, O-Line and Cornerback the leading candidates.

It's super ... duper ... early but there may be excellent depth at late-Round 1 Cornerbacks this year.

Not saying ... Just saying.

I hear @Elmgrovegnome is a HUGE Calijah Kancey fan ...

It’s not that I’m not a fan. I just don’t see a second rounder in him.

 

[Merlin]

But the "company line" line is "Noteboom sucks", which is not the case IMHO. I fully expect when he's healed (which should be in July) the OL will have him at LT and Jackson at LG.

I think the board has been pretty accurate re: Boom. Not too much hating on the guy. He struggled vs the good edges, particularly the ones with power. Is he going to be able to overcome that. He will need to overcome that in order to be a starting LT for a team of this level. So the jury is still out on him at this point and he also has to show he can stay off the trainer's table which makes it even more in question.

Jackson looks like a better LT to me. He withstands power better than Boom. Still need to see him vs some top speed types but bottom line is Boom may not be the best LT on our roster.

This is why I'll be a lot happier if a LT they like is on the board in this draft when they're on the clock. It is a longshot but if you add a young developing type behind Boom and Jackson suddenly we look reasonably good there.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

The OL did look like dog shit early in the season.

Well Whit retired and we let Corbs walk, so I'm not sure who wouldn't have expected a downturn. We couldn't run block in the SB even with them. It's all a real head scratcher to me.