Vent thread Bills at Rams Opener

[Kupped]

Yeah that room just continues to be filled with pass catchy types that magnify our OL weaknesses when we face top fronts. It is maddening.

If you are going to do that then come into these matchups with no run game plays and a varied set of quick passes to get them the ball. But what we do is line up and get trucked then look surprised.

Like I keep saying McVay is a generational coach who has a hole in his game when it comes to running the ball. And he has zero respect for power backs until he needs to trade for one to get his offense back on track.

It is a funny coincidence, is it not, that both his Super Bowl years he traded for the exact type of back he has disdain for in the offseason. And those two backs got those respective teams back on track then were largely ignored in the big games.

Great as he is the run game is his blind spot. 9ers are ready to start a new win streak given this display.

I think Henderson runs with plenty of power.. gets low behind his pads & has low center of gravity.
The problem, to me, was playcalling & blocking.

 

[Loyal]

It was definitely a team effort loss.

The Oline was painful for me to watch. They were bullied, and it wasn't just Von Miller. The intense pressure affected Stafford badly and he morphed into the Detroit version of himself. The few times I saw Tutu play, he did nothing and couldn't but help remind me of what could have been with a monster Center that we missed that year.

Did you ever notice how annoying Chris Collinsworth's voice is during a loss? But he was right that the best play of the night was his tackle of the defender that just intercepted him and was going for a Pick Six.

 

[oldnotdead]

I don’t believe New Offensive Coordinator Liam Coen is calling the plays.

I don’t believe the Rams changed their offense to use ‘Coen’s playbook’.

The reason I don’t believe these things is because I have not read or heard anything, reported anywhere, by anyone to suggest that the defending Super Bowl Champions adopted a new offensive playbook and handed the play calling to their first year OC.

Where do you get this stuff?

McVay has said on multiple occasions that he's delegated much of the OC work to Coen, including calling plays so that he could focus on game management and the "bigger picture". Simple observation of the plays showed that they weren't typical of McVay's offenses in past years.

Why do you think Stafford stood back there holding the ball for so fucking long. If your QB is getting so much pressure you shorten up his reads to get the ball out faster. McVay schemes WR open, Coen obviously didn't. The run game was a mess. They fucking have a FB on the PS in Rodger Carter why didn't they use him? If they aren't going to play with a FB then you are limited to zone concepts in the run game. Because the Bills used a FB just like the Niners, they ran at will. People here scoff at my insistence that if you want to run consistently between the tackles you need a FB or you are limited to inside zone. People ignore the consistent success of the Niners and now the Bills of how it's much harder to stop inside runs of the Bills and Niners.

Von obviously told them Raheem doesn't challenge short passes. So the Bills simply use that to march down the field at will. Von obviously told them Edwards was a JAG and they clearly exploited it.

All these things are rectifiable, so they can get back on track but not with Coen's offense and not when Morris going back to his ultra soft zone.

 

[Faceplant]

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rams previous opponents in the first game of the regular season with mcvay as head coach.

2017 - colts
2018 - raiders
2019 - panthers
2020 - cowboys
2021 - bears

not a powerhouse among them.

bills were a different kettle of fish for the rams to play first up. rams were still in preseason mode, bills were in kiss arse mode.

still the rams had them at 10-10 at the break. they just ran out of puff for the second half?

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This is an outstanding post. Seriously made me feel a bit better, so thank you. Also... Kettle of fish.... Haha hahahaha. Never heard that before!!

 

[Allen2McVay]

I don't play a coach, even on TV - but could'a called a better game than Coen did...
How many times do you have to run the ball for a loss before you figure out, it ain't working.
Secondly, what does it take to roll out Stafford 3-4 times per quarter.... to get some WR's involved other than ones named Kupp?

These aren't really questions.... just pizz'd off today.

Why do you believe Coen called the plays?

I’m sure he had input but you’re the second poster who has identified Liam Coen as the primary play-caller.

Maybe I missed something. Would not be the first time … today … just think of McVay as the primary offensive play-caller.

 

[Kupped]

Why do you believe Coen called the plays?

I’m sure he had input but you’re the second poster who has identified Liam Coen as the primary play-caller.

Maybe I missed something. Would not be the first time … today … just think of McVay as the primary offensive play-caller.

Yeah.. McVay's the play caller.

That being said... whatever work was done in coming up with a game plan failed, big, big time.

 

[Merlin]

I think Henderson runs with plenty of power.. gets low behind his pads & has low center of gravity.
The problem, to me, was playcalling & blocking.

When is the last time this offense looked good, meaning high output in points and ground production, with him taking the carries or being the guy.

My memory is shit admittedly. But depending on Henderson in the backfield tends to align with our worst offensive outputs. Every time he is the guy the offense looks stagnant. I fact in the beginning of last night's game I knew we were up shit creek on offense the moment I realized 27 had the nod.

It is possible I am being unfair to him but he is the wrong RB for games vs top fronts. He is a guy you play when you know you will have the seams.

 

[Merlin]

Did you ever notice how annoying Chris Collinsworth's voice is during a loss? But he was right that the best play of the night was his tackle of the defender that just intercepted him and was going for a Pick Six.

That fuckhead was enjoying that shit last night. You know he is still bitter we beat his Bungles.

 

[GroundPounder]

McVay has said on multiple occasions that he's delegated much of the OC work to Coen, including calling plays so that he could focus on game management and the "bigger picture". Simple observation of the plays showed that they weren't typical of McVay's offenses in past years.

Why do you think Stafford stood back there holding the ball for so fucking long. If your QB is getting so much pressure you shorten up his reads to get the ball out faster. McVay schemes WR open, Coen obviously didn't. The run game was a mess. They fucking have a FB on the PS in Rodger Carter why didn't they use him? If they aren't going to play with a FB then you are limited to zone concepts in the run game. Because the Bills used a FB just like the Niners, they ran at will. People here scoff at my insistence that if you want to run consistently between the tackles you need a FB or you are limited to inside zone. People ignore the consistent success of the Niners and now the Bills of how it's much harder to stop inside runs of the Bills and Niners.

Von obviously told them Raheem doesn't challenge short passes. So the Bills simply use that to march down the field at will. Von obviously told them Edwards was a JAG and they clearly exploited it.

All these things are rectifiable, so they can get back on track but not with Coen's offense and not when Morris going back to his ultra soft zone.

We have Bobby Wagner now. This was a mirage

 

[El Chapo Jr]

One thing I hate is it seems like far to often we get absolutely annihilated by great teams or overall physical teams. The NFC Champ game vs 49ers is an exception. And the trend continued last night. Seems like we have a hard time getting up and ready to go against them.

Also, the Bills are great, but the Rams also aren't that bad.

The OL does really worry me. Need to as someone said above, look at jumbo sets and a big physical blocking TE.

Also, where the hell is Akers? Is he really not that ready to go? No offense to DHendo, but if he's your starter, you have a weak RB room.

Bring Michel back please.

Michel is with the Chargers now. Doubt we'd trade anything for him. This is why I hinted before at possibly trading for Kareem Hunt but I also knew that was kinda a remote possibility. Our RB room is just not deep at all plus they get injured easily. However after seeing this game, we may have to look for an interior offensive lineman. That Creed miss is biting us in the ass at the moment as we could have had more money to spend elsewhere for depth if we had his rookie contract. I know it's a common theme, but this organization needs to draft and develop lineman better if this is what we see in the field every Sunday.

 

[AZRams]

I think Henderson runs with plenty of power.. gets low behind his pads & has low center of gravity.
The problem, to me, was playcalling & blocking.

I keep asking, do they struggle in the run b/c of scheme or is it the talent on the OL? It's something...what is it!?

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Already hoping for 9ers, cardinals and Seahawks to lose to stay tied for 1st. Lolololol.

Unfortunately the 49ers may win and not because I'm expecting them to be great or anything, but it's da Bears

 

[El Chapo Jr]

With all the bad shit that happened last night, we do play the Falcons next. That should be an easy win because if not, then it will officially be time to panic cuz they suck.

 

[Allen2McVay]

McVay has said on multiple occasions that he's delegated much of the OC work to Coen, including calling plays so that he could focus on game management and the "bigger picture". Simple observation of the plays showed that they weren't typical of McVay's offenses in past years.

Why do you think Stafford stood back there holding the ball for so fucking long. If your QB is getting so much pressure you shorten up his reads to get the ball out faster. McVay schemes WR open, Coen obviously didn't. The run game was a mess. They fucking have a FB on the PS in Rodger Carter why didn't they use him? If they aren't going to play with a FB then you are limited to zone concepts in the run game. Because the Bills used a FB just like the Niners, they ran at will. People here scoff at my insistence that if you want to run consistently between the tackles you need a FB or you are limited to inside zone. People ignore the consistent success of the Niners and now the Bills of how it's much harder to stop inside runs of the Bills and Niners.

First off, thanks for responding.

There’s a lot in your post but I’m just going to reply to the first two comments.

I don’t believe McVay has handed-off primary play calling responsibilities in the Regular Season to Coen, or his predecessors. I’m sure there’s a ton of input, and these coaches (especially Coen) is in McVay’s ear. However, from everything I have read and observed, I think it’s McVay that is in Stafford’s ear.

Both our opinions are valid but you tend to state yours as facts; and that’s often why I push-back. I think some of the ‘scoffing’ you referred to is because of that.

Just my opinion.

I actually agree with some of your thoughts about the Rams’ running game but as to the Fullback commentary, has McVay ever used a FB with the Rams? Did he in Washington when he was the OC? I don’t believe so.

 

[Merlin]

Michel is with the Chargers now. Doubt we'd trade anything for him. This is why I hinted before at possibly trading for Kareem Hunt but I also knew that was kinda a remote possibility. Our RB room is just not deep at all plus they get injured easily. However after seeing this game, we may have to look for an interior offensive lineman. That Creed miss is biting us in the ass at the moment as we could have had more money to spend elsewhere for depth of we had his rookie contract. I know it's a common theme, but this organization needs to draft and develop lineman better if this is what we see in the field every Sunday.

Our rook RB being hurt again is some bullshit. So yes I would be calling to get Hunt who would help us. But I would also be looking for answers at RG. Having a weak RG next to an iffy center is a bad mix if you plan on being in the playoffs.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Our rook RB being hurt again is some bullshit. So yes I would be calling to get Hunt who would help us. But I would also be looking for answers at RG. Having a weak RG next to an iffy center is a bad mix if you plan on being in the playoffs.

Yeah I was like, are you fucking kidding me when Williams got hurt. I don't know what spirits we pissed off but someone for the sake of our young RBs, sacrifice a chicken or something. I'm sure the Rams are looking for a RB as we speak since elevating Funk would do nothing. Agree that mixing in this problem with our interior line is not good at all.

 

[Tano]

Yeah I was like, are you fucking kidding me when Williams got hurt. I don't know what spirits we pissed off but someone for the sake of our young RBs, sacrifice a chicken or something. I'm sure the Rams are looking for a RB as we speak since elevating Funk would do nothing. Agree that mixing in this problem with our interior line is not good at all.

 

[BC Ramfan]

Execution was poor overall but I think I was most disappointed by the coaching.
The O and D game plans were ineffective (after all summer to prepare) and IMO badly conceived.
Running up the middle for no gain, how many times?
Slow developing pass plays with the protection failing over and over.
Soooooft zone giving up 4, 5, 6, 7 all night with no challenge.
And no effective adjustments were ever made, really.
A couple apparent assignment breakdowns in the secondary for long gains.
Return Special teams were quite bad too.
The stubbornness on O Line minimalism looked costly.

Mirror time IMO.

BC

 

[ottoman89]

I know I've said it time and time again over the last 12 hours, but I really hope this doesn't flip OBj to the Bills. We need him later in the season especially if we can't run the damn ball.

 

[AZRams]

Execution was poor overall but I think I was most disappointed by the coaching.
The O and D game plans were ineffective (after all summer to prepare) and IMO badly conceived.
Running up the middle for no gain, how many times?
Slow developing pass plays with the protection failing over and over.
Soooooft zone giving up 4, 5, 6, 7 all night with no challenge.
And no effective adjustments were ever made, really.
A couple apparent assignment breakdowns in the secondary for long gains.
Return Special teams were quite bad too.
The stubbornness on O Line minimalism looked costly.

Mirror time IMO.

BC

Play calling was driving me nuts...it was well into the second-half before we ran a pass play on 1st down.