Tutu Atwell to injured reserve, will miss next 4 weeks

[WestCoastRam]

Are you watching the All-22 and determining that he's not getting open? Or are you just reading stats?

Stafford mainly targets Puka and Adams even when others are open. It's the way the offense appears to be set up and what Stafford tends to do anyway. While Tutu does appear to be used quite a bit to clear out defenders (if Scott sticks it may be what he's asked to do, too), I've seen Tutu, TEs, and backs open, but prior to just recently that ball almost always goes to Puka or Adams.

BTW, while I might be mistaken, but Tutu is usually on the field with Adams and Puka. I think I seen packages where Smith, Mumpfield, and Whitt are together. I wonder how many of their catches came at this time.

Yeah, it seems that Tutu's main benefit is creating spacing for route combos in three receiver sets when he's on the field. This benefit may be marginal though so I don't think it's the end of the world to lose him for a couple games but just think IF- IFFFFF - there was a dip in some passing production while he's gone, that would be the culprit.

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

Tutu has 4 catches on 152 snaps. Under utilized? Try, not getting open.
Smith 3 catches on 56 snaps, 1 less catch on 100 less snaps
Mumpfield 2 catches on 78 snaps, trending up lets see where he's at at 150.
Whitt 12 catches on 280 snaps, triple that catches on 30% more snaps
We're comparing guys 5th-7th on depth chart to the 10 mill man, and he's behind all of them

Ah yes, the QB that locks in on a single WR won't throw the ball to those guys, because they aren't "open".

I guess no one is getting open until Puka gets hurts, then mysteriously, everyone is open?

 

[DzRams]

Ah yes, the QB that locks in on a single WR won't throw the ball to those guys, because they aren't "open".

I guess no one is getting open until Puka gets hurts, then mysteriously, everyone is open?

Agreed. It's not a function of who's open; it's a function of who the QB is comfortable with.

Which is why I stopped arguing for more Atwell usage. Stafford is clearly not comfortable with him, so it's no big deal if he's gone.

 

[dieterbrock]

Ah yes, the QB that locks in on a single WR won't throw the ball to those guys, because they aren't "open".

I guess no one is getting open until Puka gets hurts, then mysteriously, everyone is open?

So Stafford is the problem then? Our MVP candidate having arguably the best season of his career? He's the problem?

 

[dieterbrock]

Are you watching the All-22 and determining that he's not getting open? Or are you just reading stats?

Stafford mainly targets Puka and Adams even when others are open. It's the way the offense appears to be set up and what Stafford tends to do anyway. While Tutu does appear to be used quite a bit to clear out defenders (if Scott sticks it may be what he's asked to do, too), I've seen Tutu, TEs, and backs open, but prior to just recently that ball almost always goes to Puka or Adams.

BTW, while I might be mistaken, but Tutu is usually on the field with Adams and Puka. I think I seen packages where Smith, Mumpfield, and Whitt are together. I wonder how many of their catches came at this time.

I've seen plenty of cut ups over his 5 years showing how he cant get past press coverage and how his run blocking is sub par, which limits both his snap counts and the trust Stafford has with him on long developing routes. But lets just ignore all that because he can run a 4.3 in shorts
It's the same conversation year over year, if it's not Stafford's fault it's McVay's fault.
Looking forward to seeing how Mumpfield progresses in these next few weeks

 

[sloramfan]

you are saying our QB locks onto receivers? ....

wow... i guess i can cash in, now ive heard everything...

go rams

slo

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

So Stafford is the problem then? Our MVP candidate having arguably the best season of his career? He's the problem?

I didn't say Stafford is a problem, I said he likes to throw to certain players.
All our WRs can get open, but if they don't get the ball thrown to them, that doesn't make them useless, just unused.

 

[dieterbrock]

I didn't say Stafford is a problem, I said he likes to throw to certain players.
All our WRs can get open, but if they don't get the ball thrown to them, that doesn't make them useless, just unused.

Production is more important than participation trophies
5th year of Tutu being "unused" and still its not his fault. Lmfao

 

[Merlin]

So Stafford is the problem then? Our MVP candidate having arguably the best season of his career? He's the problem?

If you want to play eyeball games it requires some presnap determination on reads. Stafford does this extensively and we benefitted from it greatly in our Super Bowl victory. So those who want to knock him for it should take that into account.

Stafford's strength is he can manufacture open receivers. His weakness is when he's got a good WR1 and WR2 most balls will get to them.

 

[RamDino]

If you want to play eyeball games it requires some presnap determination on reads. Stafford does this extensively and

Stafford's strength is he can manufacture open receivers. His weakness is when he's got a good WR1 and WR2 most balls will get to them.

I don't disagree with this but I also wonder how much of Staffords "weakness" was due to running 11 personnel 96% of the time with the exact same receivers.

 

[PARAM]

Stafford's strength is he can manufacture open receivers. His weakness is when he's got a good WR1 and WR2 most balls will get to them.

Megatron and Kupp had phenominal years with Stafford. Puka was/is on pace to do something similar. Puka misses a game and 9 guys catch passes. Clearly #9 locks onto certain guys. The thing is, he is talented enough to get away with it. When it comes to Tutu, he's a deep threat and a decoy defenses have to respect. But who's gonna get more yac in a congested intermediate field, Puka or Tutu?

 

[dieterbrock]

Puka is catching 73.8 % of the passes Stafford has thrown his way, Staff 60% comp to everyone else.
Maybe Stafford "locks in" to the open receiver?

 

[Snaz]

Puka is catching 73.8 % of the passes Stafford has thrown his way, Staff 60% comp to everyone else.
Maybe Stafford "locks in" to the open receiver?

Tutu usually has the 2nd best hands on the team. Someone posted that.
It's a Stafford issue, not a problem. Last year when Puka and Kupp were out Tutu had a lot of catches.
With them back, not so much. It has nothing to do with Tutu or any other receiver getting open, was shown in All 22.
It's definitely a Stafford Issue.

 

[RamDino]

It's definitely a Stafford Issue.
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And I'm ok with that. He is the most important player on the team and he usually delivers. All hail Mathew Stafford!

 

[Allen2McVay]

It's definitely a Stafford Issue.

And I'm ok with that. He is the most important player on the team and he usually delivers.

All hail Mathew Stafford!
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[Snaz]

And I'm ok with that. He is the most important player on the team and he usually delivers.

All hail Mathew Stafford!

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Reminds me of the Dilly Dilly commercials before Bud Light went all Woke.

 

[Memento]

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Reminds me of the Dilly Dilly commercials before Bud Light went all Woke.

It's Lord of the Rings! Do you not see Aragorn in the middle of it?

 

[Merlin]

Puka is catching 73.8 % of the passes Stafford has thrown his way, Staff 60% comp to everyone else.
Maybe Stafford "locks in" to the open receiver?

I think what Stafford does is looks for specific matchups, i.e. Kupp or Nacua vs selected DBs for given plays. And if it's there he will hike the ball, move who he needs to move with his eyes, and fire the ball where he needs to for the completion.

That is fundamentally different than a QB who locks onto receivers, which is moreso due to inexperience or a lack of balls.

And your point is true too I think. Look at what this offense did when OBJ was opening up defenses on the backside of the play. That shit was a revelation. Nobody could stop it. We would have blown the Bengals out if OBJ hadn't blown his knee out in the SB.

Either way I look forward to the Rams maybe getting one of these excellent receivers in this upcoming draft with Atlanta's pick if they don't like any of the QBs there. And if they do that I am sure we'll see the impact in our pass game.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I've seen plenty of cut ups over his 5 years showing how he cant get past press coverage and how his run blocking is sub par, which limits both his snap counts and the trust Stafford has with him on long developing routes. But lets just ignore all that because he can run a 4.3 in shorts.

Again, I seen plays where Tutu and others are open. BTW, most of the WRs on these teams over the years struggled getting past press coverage. I remember an announcer stated that he was told by the staff that even Robinson was the best at it on the team at one point. That's probably one of the main reasons Adams was targeted so heavily.

We will have to agree to disagree. And no one is going to be able to convince me that McVay and staff saw what you saw during Atwell's rookie deal and then agreed that he should be re-signed for $10 million if all he provides is a 4.3/40 in shorts.

The lack of utilization was the same with DeSean Jackson. Only he couldn't stand it and wanted out.

 

[dieterbrock]

The lack of utilization was the same with DeSean Jackson. Only he couldn't stand it and wanted out.

Desean was a locker room cancer and complained every where he went, was out of the league a year after the Rams released him
Hardly a help towards defending tutu.
Alas, we'll see how things bear out. We wont miss Tutu but his loyal fans will likely say we did