Truly impactful draft class

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This is what drives me batty. You refuse to believe that Snead is very big on physical measurables, after we’ve been hearing and reading about for several years.

I’m not going through the list right. But I think you are off on every one of your explanations.
This is nuts.

Of COURSE physical measurables are important.. they’re pro fucking athletes and you need all the info you can get!

But that’s not what we’re talking about.. we’re talking about how important those traits are in the whole process.

When you choose guys with red flags… injury history… position questions, character problems, lack of production, bad fundamentals… ONLY because they’re athletic freaks, you’re making a reach, imo.

Moreso.. in addition to his focus on traits… Snead has said repeatedly that McVay’s ability to communicate specifics in what he wants in players has made his job clearer.

Snead absolutely changed his draft habits after McVay came in. Its crystal.

The variance is a product of the system, overall.
 
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Dude! Tell me about it. And I'm a sucker for a height/weight/speed corner. It's maybe the one position where I over value that stuff. Rochell being 6', 200 pounds and hyper fast just drew me in. And those long arms!
Remember all the comparisons to Jalen Ramsey? We all fell for it -lol.
 

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This is nuts.

Of COURSE physical measurables are important.. they’re pro fucking athletes and you need all the info you can get!

But that’s not what we’re talking about.. we’re talking about how important those traits are in the whole process.

When you choose guys with red flags… injury history… position questions, character problems, lack of production, bad fundamentals… ONLY because they’re athletic freaks, you’re making a reach, imo.

Moreso.. in addition to his focus on traits… Snead has said repeatedly that McVay’s ability to communicate specifics in what he wants in players has made his job clearer.

Snead absolutely changed his draft habits after McVay came in. Its crystal.

The variance is a product of the system, overall.
Tutu was picked for speed. Otherwise they don’t draft a 5’8” receiver just for his hands.

Jacob Harris had no football skills at all but he was tall and very fast.

Snead still has his picks where he uses the measurables over the talent. In Tutus case he was productive in college but that same level of production rarely translates to the NFL.

I could go on with the rest of them but you said you could only think of one. There were more than one.

Back to the original discussion. It has been reported and is widely known by anyone who follows the Rams draft that the Rams specifically targetted players that fought the odds and succeeded. They also looked for players that were in leadership roles.

This last draft wasn’t just variance. They had a plan and executed it. I hope they continue to emphasize these character traits on every pick from here on out because that was the running theme throughout this draft and it’s been Snead’s most complete draft of his career.
 

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Rochell and Harris were absolutely both "traits" picks and the only two I can really think of since McVay became coach.

I mean.. Maybe Daniel Hardy. and Nick Scott? But when we're talking 7th round, I think it's all a crapshoot.

I'm just glad Harris and Rochelle were 4th rounders and not high seconds or first rounders.
Also, at the time we were a stacked team. I think you tend to draft differently when that's the case: at the time, I think there was always a tension between drafting guys who are more well rounded but won't break the lineup with their talents nor will we have the snaps to develop them vs traits guys who might steal spot starts and eventual starts cause of their athletic ability and develop later on.
 

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Tutu was picked for speed. Otherwise they don’t draft a 5’8” receiver just for his hands.

Jacob Harris had no football skills at all but he was tall and very fast.

Snead still has his picks where he uses the measurables over the talent. In Tutus case he was productive in college but that same level of production rarely translates to the NFL.

I could go on with the rest of them but you said you could only think of one. There were more than one.

Back to the original discussion. It has been reported and is widely known by anyone who follows the Rams draft that the Rams specifically targetted players that fought the odds and succeeded. They also looked for players that were in leadership roles.

This last draft wasn’t just variance. They had a plan and executed it. I hope they continue to emphasize these character traits on every pick from here on out because that was the running theme throughout this draft and it’s been Snead’s most complete draft of his career.
Man.. you just don't read. And you're fundamentally wrong about some of these takes.

Tutu was absolutely a skilled receiver, if you had watched any of his college stuff, you'd know that. People on here automatically went, "Tavon Austin!" but he's not that. He runs routes and catches the ball. Tutu's red flag was A LACK OF PHYSICAL TRAITS.. being too small. His skill, character, production.. all that, was solid!!

Jacob Harris was ABSOLUTELY A TRAITS PICK AND I'VE SAID THAT!! Jesus.

They had a plan LAST DRAFT... and Logan Bruss got hurt.. and didn't look good before that.

The certainly had a plan in the 2017 draft.. and the results were exceptional. Lots of experienced players with solid character in that draft as well.

Akers and Van Jefferson were guys you could easily drop in the middle of this draft class as far as profile. Terrell Burgess too.. guess what? They didn't work out.

It's variance. Some years they make the wrong pick.

Want to know how quickly it goes from an incredible draft to an average draft or worse?

Rams drafted an edge guy who had GREAT PHYSICAL TRAITS.. but didn't have great college production and was an older prospect. What if Young just wasn't a guy who could grow?

Rams drafted a WR with a history of injury.. what if Puka got hurt in training camp?

These are the razor's edge type successes that don't necessarily reflect big changes in philosophy.

You're confusing results with process.

That doesn't mean that there aren't tweaks and refinements every year.. changes in personnel in the scouting department, etc.. you know.. things that can CONTRIBUTE TO VARIANCE.
 

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Also, at the time we were a stacked team. I think you tend to draft differently when that's the case: at the time, I think there was always a tension between drafting guys who are more well rounded but won't break the lineup with their talents nor will we have the snaps to develop them vs traits guys who might steal spot starts and eventual starts cause of their athletic ability and develop later on.
This too.
The other thing is.. when you have as many picks as the Rams had this year.. if you miss on a few, it's not as noticeable.

Hello Stetson Bennett and Nick Hampton!
 

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This too.
The other thing is.. when you have as many picks as the Rams had this year.. if you miss on a few, it's not as noticeable.

Hello Stetson Bennett and Nick Hampton!
I'm not giving-up on Hampton just yet.

Sebastian Joseph-Day had a red-shirt rookie season ... on the 53-man roster for the entire 2018 season but not game-day active for even a single game ... and he became a productive player.
 

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I'm not giving-up on Hampton just yet.

Sebastian Joseph-Day had a red-shirt rookie season ... on the 53-man roster for the entire 2018 season but not game-day active for even a single game ... and he became a productive player.
Totally fair.
Just pointing out he's been a notable nothing this season.
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Man.. you just don't read. And you're fundamentally wrong about some of these takes.

Tutu was absolutely a skilled receiver, if you had watched any of his college stuff, you'd know that. People on here automatically went, "Tavon Austin!" but he's not that. He runs routes and catches the ball. Tutu's red flag was A LACK OF PHYSICAL TRAITS.. being too small. His skill, character, production.. all that, was solid!!

Jacob Harris was ABSOLUTELY A TRAITS PICK AND I'VE SAID THAT!! Jesus.

They had a plan LAST DRAFT... and Logan Bruss got hurt.. and didn't look good before that.

The certainly had a plan in the 2017 draft.. and the results were exceptional. Lots of experienced players with solid character in that draft as well.

Akers and Van Jefferson were guys you could easily drop in the middle of this draft class as far as profile. Terrell Burgess too.. guess what? They didn't work out.

It's variance. Some years they make the wrong pick.

Want to know how quickly it goes from an incredible draft to an average draft or worse?

Rams drafted an edge guy who had GREAT PHYSICAL TRAITS.. but didn't have great college production and was an older prospect. What if Young just wasn't a guy who could grow?

Rams drafted a WR with a history of injury.. what if Puka got hurt in training camp?

These are the razor's edge type successes that don't necessarily reflect big changes in philosophy.

You're confusing results with process.

That doesn't mean that there aren't tweaks and refinements every year.. changes in personnel in the scouting department, etc.. you know.. things that can CONTRIBUTE TO VARIANCE.
You are contorting this whole conversation and ignoring what you choose to. Plus you’re being a bit demeaning. I’ve noticed that a lot with you lately. We can will just have to disagree. See you around.
 

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You are contorting this whole conversation and ignoring what you choose to. Plus you’re being a bit demeaning. I’ve noticed that a lot with you lately. We can will just have to disagree. See you around.
I’m not contorting anything.

Sorry you feel that way.
 

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This too.
The other thing is.. when you have as many picks as the Rams had this year.. if you miss on a few, it's not as noticeable.

Hello Stetson Bennett and Nick Hampton!

I think Hampton would fit so much better as an inside linebacker. He certainly has the speed and pass-rushing skills (and can definitely be taught). I just don't think he's best suited to fighting against taller and longer tackles on the outside.

Either way, like Allen, I'm not giving up on him yet either.
 

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I think Hampton would fit so much better as an inside linebacker. He certainly has the speed and pass-rushing skills (and can definitely be taught). I just don't think he's best suited to fighting against taller and longer tackles on the outside.

Either way, like Allen, I'm not giving up on him yet either.
I think he’s slight and long to be playing inside, personally.
 

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I think he’s slight and long to be playing inside, personally.

I think he's a classic tweener. He's far too light and not lengthy enough to be on the outside, so you might as well try him out inside, right? Given that Rozeboom and Reeder are free agents (Rozeboom a RFA, if I'm not mistaken), it wouldn't hurt to try Hampton there.
 

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When you choose guys with red flags… injury history… position questions, character problems, lack of production, bad fundamentals… ONLY because they’re athletic freaks, you’re making a reach, imo.

You will get no argument from me on this.

Moreso.. in addition to his focus on traits… Snead has said repeatedly that McVay’s ability to communicate specifics in what he wants in players has made his job clearer.

When you are drafting heavily in the mid and lower rounds then you are talking about a developmental type of players. So of course you will draft for the traits you want. IMO you simply vet them for injury and character issues. Something they apparently didn't do with Bennett and wasted a valuable pick.

But when you look at this draft:

Avila, Turner, Nacua, E. Evans and Young giving them 5 players as starters which is impressive by any measure, and all without a first round pick. Most teams are fortunate to get 1 or 2 starters out of a draft.

Add in their FA signings of Freeman, and Witherspoon and their trade for Dotson, making this a remarkable remodel of this team. Now add in their signing of Carson Wentz as backup QB and this team can make a legit playoff run. This team is defying conventional wisdom by being in playoff contention this year. All this from a team that has been built without first round picks for years, validating the perspective that talent can be found in every round if they have exceptional scouts.

People make a big deal, and rightly so about McVay, but IMO the real prime mover of this franchise is Les Snead. His ability to accumulate talent needed to build a contender makes him one of the best GMs in the NFL. It's why when McVay thought about walking away, it was disappointing but not the end of the world that most seem to believe. As long as Snead is GM this franchise will have a top roster, no matter who is coaching it.
 

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I'm not giving-up on Hampton just yet.

Sebastian Joseph-Day had a red-shirt rookie season ... on the 53-man roster for the entire 2018 season but not game-day active for even a single game ... and he became a productive player.
As did John Franklin-Myers.
 

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As did John Franklin-Myers.

I'm pretty sure jfm played his rookie season. And quite well. He had a sack in the superbowl.

Which made his release next season at final cuts rather curious.

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