Tight End class in draft

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At the end of the day, I don't see anything about Taylor that says special talent or game changer to me. I see solid. A guy that has impressive movement skills as a lesser Loveland, smooth as a route runner, and a solid consolation prize in the late 2nd/early 3rd. I don't really see the aggressiveness or physicality those top tight ends seem to have. And I'm not basing my opinion off of bulk stats, media scouting reports, or keeping up with the hype. I've watched every target both guys had last year. A few times actually I've been more locked into the draft this year than usual. And no, I don't think Taylor does what Fannin does if the roles are reversed.

Anyway we all know that "F them picks" Les Snead isn't looking for "solid" in the first round. And McVay wants a shot of adrenaline to keep his passion for the game going. They want a guy that's going to make plays like this:


The best player ever from Bowling Green I think was the WR legend Scotty Miller. Although Fannin Jr. physically overpowered his opponents-I would not draft him higher than the 3rd round. To me he looks like a shorter and less athletic Kyle Pitts/Gerald Everett clone.
 

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The best player ever from Bowling Green I think was the WR legend Scotty Miller. Although Fannin Jr. physically overpowered his opponents-I would not draft him higher than the 3rd round. To me he looks like a shorter and less athletic Kyle Pitts/Gerald Everett clone.

Unlike Kyle Pitts, Fannin can actually block - and do it well; advanced college stats showed that he was a better blocker than almost every tight end in this class. To say that he's a poor blocker just because he's a smaller receiving tight end doesn't characterize what kind of player Fannin is.

And the best player from Hofstra before Marques Colston? Best player at John Carroll before London Fletcher? Talent is talent, and Fannin had many offers to go to other places but decided to stay at Bowling Green because of loyalty. And how is that supposed to be a bad thing?

I would gladly take Fannin in the second round over Taylor and Arroyo, and I like them both.
 

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I’m not a huge Fanin guy, but the Rams used Kupp a lot like a TE for much of his career. I’d say in a weak receiving class I could see them taking Fanin, even at 26. I wouldn’t be excited about it.
 

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The best player ever from Bowling Green I think was the WR legend Scotty Miller. Although Fannin Jr. physically overpowered his opponents-I would not draft him higher than the 3rd round. To me he looks like a shorter and less athletic Kyle Pitts/Gerald Everett clone.
Kyle Pitts and Gerald Everett are very different players. He's similar to Gerald Everett, but Fannin has much, much better hands.
I’m not a huge Fanin guy, but the Rams used Kupp a lot like a TE for much of his career. I’d say in a weak receiving class I could see them taking Fanin, even at 26. I wouldn’t be excited about it.
I don't see us taking him at #26. He's a Day 2 guy.
 

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I fear we will be disappointed because there will be a run on TEs before we pick again at the tale end of the 3rd round. After doing way too many draft simulations on multiple sites, there is no way of knowing whether we pick at 26 or trade down. It’s a cliche but it will depend on how the draft falls to us. There are plenty of scenarios where we might stick at each spot even if I would prefer more second day capital and pick a player like Fannin.

In many scenarios, pick 90 might actually be the best spot to trade back for more picks

Of course, one player we would probably take at 26 is Loveland but that scenario also seems unlikely given what a dominant TE can do for a young QB and so many teams picking before us
 

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I fear we will be disappointed because there will be a run on TEs before we pick again at the tale end of the 3rd round. After doing way too many draft simulations on multiple sites, there is no way of knowing whether we pick at 26 or trade down. It’s a cliche but it will depend on how the draft falls to us. There are plenty of scenarios where we might stick at each spot even if I would prefer more second day capital and pick a player like Fannin.

In many scenarios, pick 90 might actually be the best spot to trade back for more picks

Of course, one player we would probably take at 26 is Loveland but that scenario also seems unlikely given what a dominant TE can do for a young QB and so many teams picking before us
If no QB early, I am all in on a trade back and take Mason Taylor. With the extra pick from the trade down, you can still address CB, OT, WR, and even QB with your three 3rds (one from the trade) and the 4th rd pick.
 

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If no QB early, I am all in on a trade back and take Mason Taylor. With the extra pick from the trade down, you can still address CB, OT, WR, and even QB with your three 3rds (one from the trade) and the 4th rd pick.
I really hope for a trade back (though seems less likely). Load up on depth in this draft with some guys who can take over for players next year at CB, safety, OT, TE, etc... (and maybe get lucky on a starter this year).

And then we can shoot for the moon in the draft next year for QB, WR, etc...
 

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When I look at Mason Taylor, I see Davis Allen. Not sure he provides anything more than what the Rams have. Which probably means the Rams will draft him now lol
To my eye, there is a clear divide between Warren/Loveland and the rest of the pack. I think Mitchell Evans will be a steal from this draft, and doesnt appear to require a day 1 or 2 draft pick to get him
 

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When I look at Mason Taylor, I see Davis Allen. Not sure he provides anything more than what the Rams have. Which probably means the Rams will draft him now lol
To my eye, there is a clear divide between Warren/Loveland and the rest of the pack. I think Mitchell Evans will be a steal from this draft, and doesnt appear to require a day 1 or 2 draft pick to get him
For the hype around Taylor i just don't see it in his game tape.
 

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For the hype around Taylor i just don't see it in his game tape.
I feel like if his last name was Smith, he wouldnt have the same appeal. I've heard how he's set the all time records for tight end at LSU over and over, but what TE have they produced in the last 50 years? He has some skills but nothing earth shattering IMO
 

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What excites me about this draft is the chance that things will line up for us at the position. Because for some reason that never happens with TE. Could this finally be the year?

Warren is not going to last long on this year's board. Which is too bad because his combination of skills would be insanely magnified by a QB like Stafford who is among the best at manipulating coverages with his eyes. In this offense he's basically a Higs upgrade.

Loveland I go back and forth on. There is a reason you don't take big wideouts and play them in that TE role. I mean you can find big wideouts with 4.7 range speed well into a lot of drafts. Skow ran in the 4.6 range. But the TE position has a mystique to it for the dudes who have enough size to them to body DBs over the middle, and those guys are different than the big wideout types. I like the idea of what McVay can do with him. I figure McVay loves him. If we get him he will be rotated in as the second TE, or he'll spell Higs on third and long type situations. And he is good enough in combination with Higs to enable 12 sets. Feels like he'll be off before 20 though.

Arroyo is another guy McVay is going to love. Fluid in space, instinctive, suddenness to his movement in the pattern. Again his knee scares me, I think if it wasn't for that he's a slam dunk first round TE. Basically turn on his film and he's that guy we never are in position to draft. He's a bit small, but that doesn't matter to Coach for his pass game threat weapon in the slot. This dude fits precisely what McVay wants. He should be there at 26. He plugs in day one the same way Loveland would. But just like with Loveland does he allow Higs to leave in FA? Not really. This is a pass game weapon and the Rams would have to be good with his medicals.

Taylor & Ferguson to me are very similar in that they both have the protoypical size and athleticism you want from a TE. Usually we don't get to take guys like these in our late 2nd round draft opening pick. Both are high upside. Taylor had a very strong Senior Bowl week. Both in interviews seem like great kids, so I think they're both fits for the Rams if they are ok with some projection. Rams should be able to get one of them after a slight move down, though it is possible TE gets a bit of a run on it in the 20s so maybe one of them is in play if the Rams love that player.

Fannin is the film stud. He didn't have a great Senior Bowl week, though he reportedly finished strong. Teams had that staff moving him around quite a bit, including some backfield usage, and I think his head was spinning. He's more instinctive in the pattern than technician. Bit small compared to these other TEs, but I'd say he's precisely up McVay's alley in how he uses that pass game slot threat. I have thought for a while that McVay is high on him. I do think he made a mistake running at the combine, not that his time was too terribly bad for a TE but when comparing vs this class of TEs he really needed a good time and didn't get it. A 4.6 would have put him up there with Taylor & Ferguson, to my eye at least.

One last thing that I really don't have any idea of with these kids is how they project for option route usage. That's a big part of what McVay does. It requires great instincts and a studious approach. And it may drive that decision on who they target.

After Fannin I think there is quite a bit of dropoff in pass game potency and projection. The Nebraska kid is intriguing for example, but has the knee issue as well and now you're into guys who are similar to what we normally see brought in here. This is why I am hoping they address it early. They could hit on TE in this draft into rounds 3/4 probably, but I don't like their TE track record of evaluation so maybe change it up and go get one early.
 

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After Fannin I think there is quite a bit of dropoff in pass game potency and projection. The Nebraska kid is intriguing for example, but has the knee issue as well and now you're into guys who are similar to what we normally see brought in here. This is why I am hoping they address it early. They could hit on TE in this draft into rounds 3/4 probably, but I don't like their TE track record of evaluation so maybe change it up and go get one early.
Can't say that I agree on a sizeable or any drop off with Gunnar Helm, Joshua Simon, Jaylin Conyers and a lesser discussed Rivaldo Fairweather.
 

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Can't say that I agree on a sizeable or any drop off with Gunnar Helm, Joshua Simon, Jaylin Conyers and a lesser discussed Rivaldo Fairweather.
There's something about Gunnar Helm. He's pretty slow for a tight end but all he does is get open, catch the ball, and make a few guys miss after the catch. Not a bad run blocker either. He's essentially what we hoped Davis Allen would develop into.
 

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There's something about Gunnar Helm. He's pretty slow for a tight end but all he does is get open, catch the ball, and make a few guys miss after the catch. Not a bad run blocker either. He's essentially what we hoped Davis Allen would develop into.
Really like the kid, shame about his speed.
 

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Helm seems like the prototype TE from 30 years ago. Big slow good blocker that doesn't offer much excitement. Hed have been a good pick back then but now seems like a 6th round pick.
 

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I'd say it's a shame about his combine 40 time on a bum ankle.
He's not a speedster, but I question if he's really as slow as some seem to believe on healthy ankles.
I haven't watched any of his games, but from what I've seen of cut ups he still seems pretty slow but smooooooth. He seems to have the kind of body lean and bendiness that allows him to consistently gain about 1-5 extra yards after contact cause of it.

Useful player.
 

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Somebody throw me a bone here and say something nice about Mitchell Evans would ya!
Hahaha
I thought I mentioned this before but like him and you can easily see the reasons why he has a runway to improve a good amount in the NFL.

Could have a future as an 8-10 year Y TE.