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I know I'm going to stir up a hornet's nest with this one, but I happened to look at some numbers that really surprised me. During the Panthers and Lions game, they mentioned that Goff has played longer for Detroit than he did as a Ram, which made me curious to look at his stats.

If we compare Stafford's stats as a Ram to Goff's stats as a Lion, Stafford leads in one category, and it is the most important one: Super Bowl wins. I guess you could add MVP awards if you want to consider that to be a stat.

For their regular season stats, Goff is ahead of Stafford in almost every other meaningful statistic. A virtual clean sweep. Wins, completion rate, QB passer rating, TD/INT ratio, 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, PFR has a key stat called adjusted net yards per attempt. One reason this is surprising is that Stafford won the SB his first year with the Rams. Meanwhile, the Lions were terrible the 1st year Goff was there, they couldn't buy a win for the longest time. At one point that year the Lions had zero wins, 10 losses and a tie. I got the stats from PFR.

Stafford: 78 starts, 48-30-0 record. 1,763/2,701 (65.3% completions), 20,596 yards, 147 TDs (5.4%), 58 INTs (2.1%), 2.53 TD/INT ratio, 7.6 yards per attempt, 7.7 adjusted yards per attempt, 264.1 YPG, 97.4 QB rating, 7.0 ANY/A, 146 sacks (5.13%), 6 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives

Goff: 86 starts, 50-35-1 record. 2,013/2964 (67.9% completions), 22,665 yards, 158 TDs (5.3%), 47 INTs (1.6%), 3.36 TD/INT ratio, 7.6 yards per attempt, 8.0 adjusted yards per attempt, 263.5 YPG, 101.7 QB rating, 7.2 ANY/A, 165 sacks (5.27%), 12 4th quarter comebacks, 17 game winning drives

The Lions are struggling and their window to contend might have closed. Meanwhile, the Rams have hopes for capturing a 2nd SB with Stafford. There are no regrets from the Rams side of the trade. On the other hand, if I got in a time machine and went back to when the trade was made and told you that the stats would look like this, what percentage of Rams fans would have believed me? I bet the majority would have assumed that Goff would no longer be Detroit's starter and might not even still be in the NFL by this point.
 
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Twopointtry said:
I know I'm going to stir up a hornet's nest with this one, but I happened to look at some numbers that really surprised me. During the Panthers and Lions game, they mentioned that Goff has played longer for Detroit than he did as a Ram, which made me curious to look at his stats.

If we compare Stafford's stats as a Ram to Goff's stats as a Lion, Stafford leads in one category, and it is the most important one: Super Bowl wins. I guess you could add MVP awards if you want to consider that to be a stat.

For their regular season stats, Goff is ahead of Stafford in almost every other meaningful statistic. A virtual clean sweep. Wins, completion rate, QB passer rating, TD/INT ratio, 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, PFR has a key stat called adjusted net yards per attempt. One reason this is surprising is that Stafford won the SB his first year with the Rams. Meanwhile, the Lions were terrible the 1st year Goff was there, they couldn't buy a win for the longest time. At one point that year the Lions had zero wins, 10 losses and a tie. I got the stats from PFR.

Stafford: 78 starts, 48-30-0 record. 1,763/2,701 (65.3% completions), 20,596 yards, 147 TDs (5.4%), 58 INTs (2.1%), 2.53 TD/INT ratio, 7.6 yards per attempt, 7.7 adjusted yards per attempt, 264.1 YPG, 97.4 QB rating, 7.0 ANY/A, 146 sacks (5.13%), 6 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives

Goff: 86 starts, 50-35-1 record. 2,013/2964 (67.9% completions), 22,665 yards, 158 TDs (5.3%), 47 INTs (1.6%), 3.36 TD/INT ratio, 7.6 yards per attempt, 8.0 adjusted yards per attempt, 263.5 YPG, 101.7 QB rating, 7.2 ANY/A, 165 sacks (5.27%), 12 4th quarter comebacks, 17 game winning drives

The Lions are struggling and their window to contend might have closed. Meanwhile, the Rams have hopes for capturing a 2nd SB with Stafford. There are no regrets from the Rams side of the trade. On the other hand, if I got in a time machine and went back to when the trade was made and told you that the stats would look like this, what percentage of Rams fans would have believed me? I bet the majority would have assumed that Goff would no longer be Detroit's starter and might not even still be in the NFL by this point.
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I’d pick Stafford every time, but Goff has always drawn some weird hate his entire career. Never could figure it out.
 
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Twopointtry said:
I know I'm going to stir up a hornet's nest with this one, but I happened to look at some numbers that really surprised me. During the Panthers and Lions game, they mentioned that Goff has played longer for Detroit than he did as a Ram, which made me curious to look at his stats.

If we compare Stafford's stats as a Ram to Goff's stats as a Lion, Stafford leads in one category, and it is the most important one: Super Bowl wins. I guess you could add MVP awards if you want to consider that to be a stat.

For their regular season stats, Goff is ahead of Stafford in almost every other meaningful statistic. A virtual clean sweep. Wins, completion rate, QB passer rating, TD/INT ratio, 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, PFR has a key stat called adjusted net yards per attempt. One reason this is surprising is that Stafford won the SB his first year with the Rams. Meanwhile, the Lions were terrible the 1st year Goff was there, they couldn't buy a win for the longest time. At one point that year the Lions had zero wins, 10 losses and a tie. I got the stats from PFR.

Stafford: 78 starts, 48-30-0 record. 1,763/2,701 (65.3% completions), 20,596 yards, 147 TDs (5.4%), 58 INTs (2.1%), 2.53 TD/INT ratio, 7.6 yards per attempt, 7.7 adjusted yards per attempt, 264.1 YPG, 97.4 QB rating, 7.0 ANY/A, 146 sacks (5.13%), 6 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives

Goff: 86 starts, 50-35-1 record. 2,013/2964 (67.9% completions), 22,665 yards, 158 TDs (5.3%), 47 INTs (1.6%), 3.36 TD/INT ratio, 7.6 yards per attempt, 8.0 adjusted yards per attempt, 263.5 YPG, 101.7 QB rating, 7.2 ANY/A, 165 sacks (5.27%), 12 4th quarter comebacks, 17 game winning drives

The Lions are struggling and their window to contend might have closed. Meanwhile, the Rams have hopes for capturing a 2nd SB with Stafford. There are no regrets from the Rams side of the trade. On the other hand, if I got in a time machine and went back to when the trade was made and told you that the stats would look like this, what percentage of Rams fans would have believed me? I bet the majority would have assumed that Goff would no longer be Detroit's starter and might not even still be in the NFL by this point.
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I was one who stated the Goff was unfairly assessed by Rams fans.

He isn't Stafford but he isn't as far behind as most Rams fans think.

But Goff has one huge weakness that is extremely annoying. He usually makes "at least" one really dumb play per game against the tough teams. And that really happens during the playoffs. But he wasn't the one who lost the 49ers game.
 
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Something that is not measured by these stats is toughness and leadership. This is a big advantage for Stafford over Goff in my opinion.
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I have to disagree about the toughness factor. Leadership - yes. Toughness - not quite. Goff is extremely tough. You rarely see Goff leave a game after getting a hard hit. Broken thumb is one thing. Can't grip a ball when that happens.
 
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Twopointtry said:
For their regular season stats, Goff is ahead of Stafford in almost every other meaningful statistic. A virtual clean sweep. Wins, completion rate, QB passer rating, TD/INT ratio, 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, PFR has a key stat called adjusted net yards per attempt. One reason this is surprising is that Stafford won the SB his first year with the Rams. Meanwhile, the Lions were terrible the 1st year Goff was there, they couldn't buy a win for the longest time. At one point that year the Lions had zero wins, 10 losses and a tie. I got the stats from PFR.
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But you misinterpret some of them.

Goff leads in TD passes? Sure, because he's thrown more passes. Stafford leads in TD%...which means to throw the same number of TDs, he doesn't need as many passes as Goff.
Goff has more wins? Sure, because he's played more games. His win pct. is .587.2. Stafford's is .615.4. If you extrapolate that over a 17 game season, Goff produces 10 wins (9.98) while Stafford produces 10.5 (10.46).
4th quarter comebacks? Goff has 12 in 86 games, which means added to his losses (35) that's 47 opportunities. Stafford has 9 in 78 games, which if added to his losses (30) means he's had 39 opportunities. Perhaps Stafford's play has kept those opportunities to a minimum?
Stafford leads in Super Bowl appearances and victories as well as MVP awards. MVP awards isn't a stat, I'll give you that. It's a description of his play which is something Goff has not received. He has finished 5th in the voting once.
Stafford also leads in league leading catagories like passing yards (4707 in 2025) and TDs (46) while Goff has never lead the league in either of them.

So, on one hand we can say Goff "leads in most catagories" but Stafford leads in the most important catagories.

And I think the question that must be asked is, having 1 game to win, who would you rather have under center? Stafford or Goff? I know my answer to that question.

You began by saying.....
I know I'm going to stir up a hornet's nest with this one
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Not really. Interpretation of the numbers is what's important, not the numbers themselves. So no hornets nest here. Stafford is by far, the better QB of the two.
 
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They are both excellent and both are tough.
Leadership in the locker room? Who knows? We aren't there.
Haven't heard complaints about either.
The biggest difference in the two Ive seen is just pure, raw arm talent.
Its not close.
 
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I know I'm going to stir up a hornet's nest with this one
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If we compare Stafford's stats as a Ram to Goff's stats as a Lion, Stafford leads in one category, and it is the most important one: Super Bowl wins.
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Just to build-on the posts-above from @Ramstien and @Ellard80 (2 other renowned ROD trouble-makers), another VERY Important stat is Post-season performance ...

Goff's Lions ...
... two playoff appearances ... 2-2 record
... Goff has played very well ... Lions' Defense gave-up 79 points in those two playoff losses

Stafford's Rams ...
... four playoff appearances ... 7-3 record
... if you like to focus on stats ... 21 TDs / 4 Ints. / 3,000 passing yards
... personally, I think Stafford has played exceptionally-well in all ten of those plaoff games
... in five of those seven victories, the game was either tied, or the Rams trailed, in the final five minutes; and, in all three losses, Stafford and the Rams' offense were driving for go-ahead scores in the final minutes
 
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It literally doesn't matter especially after that super bowl was won. But McVay needed leadership and a killer instinct from his QB and not an aloof, deer in headlights at times kid. I am a Goff fan and defended him till he left but lets call a spade a spade.

Also curious with what Goff's stats are with and without Todd Gurley/Jahmyr Gibbs vs anyone else. Stafford won a Super Bowl with duct tape and chewing game at RB and TE.
 
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I think this is a bit of an example of how stats don’t tell to whole truth. Let me put it to you this way: if you were to somehow poll all nfl fans with the question of what QB would you rather have to win you a game with 1:30 left?

I’d say it would be pretty favorable for Stafford
 
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I think this is a bit of an example of how stats don’t tell to whole truth. Let me put it to you this way: if you were to somehow poll all nfl fans with the question of what QB would you rather have to win you a game with 1:30 left?

I’d say it would be pretty favorable for Stafford
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Matthew is the Fourth Quarter Maestro, the No-Look Playmaker, the QB with a Thousand Types of Pass Releases, the Opposing DBs Worst Nightmare, the Leprechaun's Wet Dream (other than Veronica), ..., but I digress...
 
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Why are we doing this...is it just for kicks??? We all know why Goff was tradded for Stafford. He was not good under pressure and had trouble handling the blitz. Let's remember how bad he was when the Rams went to Green Bay and the Rams lost that playoff game for those very reasons!!!

In fact when he got to Detroit, Campbell hinted in Goff's first year, that if he couldn't handle the pressure, he was out and Goff heeded the message and became a very good OB.

Lastly...Stafford is still better!!!
 
Twopointtry said:
I know I'm going to stir up a hornet's nest with this one, but I happened to look at some numbers that really surprised me. During the Panthers and Lions game, they mentioned that Goff has played longer for Detroit than he did as a Ram, which made me curious to look at his stats.

If we compare Stafford's stats as a Ram to Goff's stats as a Lion, Stafford leads in one category, and it is the most important one: Super Bowl wins. I guess you could add MVP awards if you want to consider that to be a stat.

For their regular season stats, Goff is ahead of Stafford in almost every other meaningful statistic. A virtual clean sweep. Wins, completion rate, QB passer rating, TD/INT ratio, 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, PFR has a key stat called adjusted net yards per attempt. One reason this is surprising is that Stafford won the SB his first year with the Rams. Meanwhile, the Lions were terrible the 1st year Goff was there, they couldn't buy a win for the longest time. At one point that year the Lions had zero wins, 10 losses and a tie. I got the stats from PFR.

Stafford: 78 starts, 48-30-0 record. 1,763/2,701 (65.3% completions), 20,596 yards, 147 TDs (5.4%), 58 INTs (2.1%), 2.53 TD/INT ratio, 7.6 yards per attempt, 7.7 adjusted yards per attempt, 264.1 YPG, 97.4 QB rating, 7.0 ANY/A, 146 sacks (5.13%), 6 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives

Goff: 86 starts, 50-35-1 record. 2,013/2964 (67.9% completions), 22,665 yards, 158 TDs (5.3%), 47 INTs (1.6%), 3.36 TD/INT ratio, 7.6 yards per attempt, 8.0 adjusted yards per attempt, 263.5 YPG, 101.7 QB rating, 7.2 ANY/A, 165 sacks (5.27%), 12 4th quarter comebacks, 17 game winning drives

The Lions are struggling and their window to contend might have closed. Meanwhile, the Rams have hopes for capturing a 2nd SB with Stafford. There are no regrets from the Rams side of the trade. On the other hand, if I got in a time machine and went back to when the trade was made and told you that the stats would look like this, what percentage of Rams fans would have believed me? I bet the majority would have assumed that Goff would no longer be Detroit's starter and might not even still be in the NFL by this point.
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1. You omitted a key stat. Fumbles and fumbles lost. I don't know what the stats are, but I can virtually guarantee there is a noticeable difference in that one. Losing fumbles is Goff's worst trait.

2. Ask any Rams fan which QB they'd rather have over the last five years. Still a slam dunk.

3. You also omitted playoff stats. Curious how those would compare. Seems like you did some cherry-picking of stats here.
 
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Feel free to go look at playoff stats and that'll close this thread right up.

Did you know that in Stafford's three playoff losses with the Rams, he's been arguably better than the playoff wins? The significance of that can't be overstated because we don't lose to worse teams. Only better teams, and in two of the three, games we really had no business being in but almost pulled them out because of Playoff Matt.
 
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