That is probably not what it is supposed to be, but invariably that is more or less how it turns out.
Stafford vs Goff stats
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Initially hated the move, then came around quickly.
I will say that with Stafford, I never feel out of the game. With Goff, it felt like he’d win or lose it for us and it was a coin toss which.
I will say that with Stafford, I never feel out of the game. With Goff, it felt like he’d win or lose it for us and it was a coin toss which.
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I'll take Stafford any game regular season and playoffs. Wish we had drafted him however the last 5 plus years have been so much fuckin fun. Love #9 in Horns
When we moved up to select Goff first overall it set us on course for long term success under McVay including trading for Stafford
As long as it doesn’t come by defeating us in the playoffs then I would feel nothing but happy for Goff if the Lions win a Super Bowl. He’s consistently one of the best QBs each year.
As long as it doesn’t come by defeating us in the playoffs then I would feel nothing but happy for Goff if the Lions win a Super Bowl. He’s consistently one of the best QBs each year.
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Thanks, my bad. When I added the numbers, I misread the rows and left out the 2021 season for Stafford. That's why the numbers didn't match.
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All I did was try to present the stats themselves.
Look at the trade from Detroit's POV. Stafford demanded to be traded. He saw a rebuild coming and he didn't want to waste the rest of his career in that situation. Typically, if a older QB makes a public demand like that, the team doesn't have leverage and has to trade him for less value. Detroit was not in a good negotiating position.
Surprisingly, Detroit end up getting a long-term starting QB, plus a nice haul of high draft picks. If you look around the NFL, consider the success rate of 1st round QBs since the trade (e.g. Justin Fields, Mac Jones, Trey Lance, Anthony Richardson, Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, JJ McCarthy, even Cam Ward at number one overall) what the Lions got with the "throw in" Goff ended up being more valuable than a high 1st round selection. Consider as an example CJ Stroud, a QB who when he was in the draft was frequently compared to Goff. If you gave Detroit the choice, would they trade Goff right now for Stroud? My gut says they would stick with Goff. Stroud was the 2nd overall selection in his draft class.
When people say that the trade worked well for both teams, this is a massive understatement. The Rams got at least one SB after the trade, while for Detroit, IMO the trade could have been the best single transaction for the team since the day they drafted Barry Sanders. Oddly, it is arguably even more significant than when they drafted Stafford, because they only got one player with that pick, and in the trade they effectively got multiple players.
Instead of Detroit going into a "dark ages" period like the Rams experienced before McVay's revival, they rebounded quickly and almost made it to the SB themselves. In my lifetime, I have never seen Detroit's fan base so energized as they have been in the last few years. For an entire generation, including some painful experiences when Stafford was up there, it was "cruel and unusual punishment" to be a Lions fan. There has been a sea change. I hope something like that happens someday for Cleveland Browns fans.
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I don't dispute this but remember that in the context of the trade, the teams didn't swap the QBs head-to-head. The Rams sent multiple 1st round picks to Detroit and since the Rams unexpectedly had a down year, one of those picks ended up being in the top 10 overall. If the Rams had traded down the same way Detroit did, we would have added another 2nd round pick and still could have gotten a great player lower in the 1st.
The trade helped us win the SB that 1st season with Stafford but losing those picks had a negative impact on subsequent years (including the current season) as we try to chase another trophy. Stafford is a much better QB than Sam Darnold. Seattle still won the SB with Darnold. They had a more complete team last season than the Rams. Does the difference between Stafford and Goff make up for that gap? [We also have to consider the salary cap, because the trade had negative cap consequences for both the Rams and the Lions.] We could debate that until the cows come home.
But a more postive impact on the most important and valued position...that being the QB, as well in the subsequent years. Guys like Darnold are the exception for Super Bowl winners, not the norm.
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I didn't know where else to put this.
After watching the vince young doco it confirmed everything i thought about Jeff fisher. He didn't want Goff and it showed as he did everything in his power to derail the rookie QB's career.
Goff should thank everything that is good and holy in the world that Sean McVay entered his life before fisher ruined his career for good.
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I didn't know where else to put this.
After watching the vince young doco it confirmed everything i thought about Jeff fisher. He didn't want Goff and it showed as he did everything in his power to derail the rookie QB's career.
Goff should thank everything that is good and holy in the world that Sean McVay entered his life before fisher ruined his career for good.
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You know what SEAN MCVAY(Rahem Morris) say about Stats ??
STATS are for LOSERS!!!!!!!!
If you want to fall into that category ? Go ahead
I think Super Bowl isn’t a REAL stat unless you put it into a category.It’s The ULTIMATE GOAL.
Plus MVP is a nice HONOR as well to add HALL of FAME career !! Jared Goff will NEVER get there ? Don’t want to take hard work away from him he has to do,or that he HELPED get The RAMS & MCVAY(1st) to the Superbowl!!
I can go on ,but that’s my point.Not worth looking back. IN FACT Mattew Stafford will go into The HOF as a RAM !!
You seem to accept certain things as fact when they aren't.
First, Stafford DID NOT make a public demand for a trade so your leverage angle is incorrect. Detroit was in a fine negotiating position. They had Brad Holmes, who knew and believed Goff to be an excellent young QB and nobody knew of Stafford's demand. There was also the angst of McVay to get rid of Goff and when he became aware of Stafford's availability, he'd have given just about anything to get him.
As a result, the trade seemed to come out of the blue and initially it looked like the Rams got fleeced (because of all the picks PLUS a QB who played in a Super Bowl). But it was a good trade for both teams (and that IS NOT a massive understatement). It's clearly been a better one for the Rams. Unfortunately for the Lions and Goff, their amazing OC moved on after just 2 successful years, resulting in a mediocre 9-7 non-playoff season, while with the Rams and Stafford, McVay has been here through it all and remains.
And IMHO, that's the key to the entire trade. You try to start a debate over Goff/Stafford but it's McVay that makes the trade such a win for the Rams. Johnson and Goff had 2 good years but he's gone. Will Goff get another shot at a SB? There is some opinion that Detroit's window is closing. Their current defense is the worse they've had since the first season Goff arrived and there's no relief in sight. We might have thought with all those extra picks from the Stafford trade they would have improved the defense more than they have. It's quite possible a year or two down the road, Detroit has a whole new coaching staff. They're 7-9 their last 16 and over that span, they haven't won two in a row. That fanbase, who were riding on air for a couple of years, may have some nasty flashbacks in the not-to-distant future.
I have another question....who in the hell ever compared CJ Stroud to Jared Goff? They're nothing alike other than they both have trouble with pressure and can be extremely undecisive at times.
On the first highlighted part, WTF are you talking about.
On the second highlighted part, abso-fucking-lootly!!!!
The Rams have made 2 first round picks in 10 years. Their record over that period is 94-59 (.614), 10-6 in the postseason.....with 7 postseasons out of 9, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Lombardi, making them the envy of most of the NFL. You think they're affected by the loss of draft picks? Get the fuck outta here!!!!
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Fisher was a QB career killer. In fact, Fisher ruined many offensive players careers.
He got lucky in TN but was ultimately exposed for the incompetent HC he really was.
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Perhaps.
Although, Stafford has regressed pretty badly when under pressure this season. Ranking, I believe, worst among starting QBs.
A lot more goes into that than just a number however.
Yep. You’re right. I saw it again yesterday. Pretty much the same sentiment.
I think Darnold can play that game manager QB position better than Goff - though Goff has better tools. I’m just not convinced Goff ever wins a SB and I actually liked Goff. Even if Goff has a stellar O-line, receiving corp, and running game, he does just enough dumb shit in the biggest games.
Time will tell, but IMO, the answer to your question is YES.
Jared Goff is an excellent QB... and with hindsight....
I'd make that trade again.. and again.. and again.. and.....
I'd make that trade again.. and again.. and again.. and.....
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Yes, #9 has not handled it well lately....I'd look at the right side of the OL as the main reason for that...Kevin Dotson & Warren McClendon have forgotten how to pass block!
There is no reason I know of for such crappy effort by both of them. Kevin is supposed to be the leader of that highly paid OL.
I don't think he was a completely incompetent HC other than he was fucking stubborn at getting a good OC.
He could have been really good if he wasn't so fucking stubborn.
Jared is the guy who gets off the mat after he's been knocked down. First year at Cal, first year with the Rams, first year in Detroit all sucked. Won a bowl game with Cal, went to a Super Bowl in LA, record breaking offense in Detroit. Can't keep him down.
As I recall, McVay wanted his offense to evolve after the SB loss to the Patriots and every team was giving them the same looks. Stafford helped him do that. Most talented QB to play for the Rams, among the all time best arms, and played some of the best postseason and regular season football any gunslinger in LA ever has.
Goff being a top 5-10 QB means the Rams got it right when they drafted him. But 2021 version of Goff does not get past the 49ers or come back against Cincinnati, or keep his composure when the team was falling apart against Tampa Bay. As long as they're within striking distance against any team, Stafford with the ball in his hands gives his team a chance.
As I recall, McVay wanted his offense to evolve after the SB loss to the Patriots and every team was giving them the same looks. Stafford helped him do that. Most talented QB to play for the Rams, among the all time best arms, and played some of the best postseason and regular season football any gunslinger in LA ever has.
Goff being a top 5-10 QB means the Rams got it right when they drafted him. But 2021 version of Goff does not get past the 49ers or come back against Cincinnati, or keep his composure when the team was falling apart against Tampa Bay. As long as they're within striking distance against any team, Stafford with the ball in his hands gives his team a chance.