Stafford vs Goff stats
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I still like watching Goff. I thought he needed a kick in the ass for more motivation. You could see McVay's frustration at the end of his last Rams season. He got it with the wake-up-call trade to the Lions. I think it helped him reset.
Goff has a lot of talent around him on offense. A lot more speed. Too bad he doesn't have any defense. I wonder what Stafford could do with all that speed. Stafford wins a Super Bowl and both are doing well. I like the trade at the time and still do.
Goff has a lot of talent around him on offense. A lot more speed. Too bad he doesn't have any defense. I wonder what Stafford could do with all that speed. Stafford wins a Super Bowl and both are doing well. I like the trade at the time and still do.
What's the point of this thread?
Goff was really good, Stafford has been great
We needed Great to win a Superbowl and that is what we got
Goff was really good, Stafford has been great
We needed Great to win a Superbowl and that is what we got
Does the thread require a point? Isn't it traditional for ROD members to debate the merits of Horns' QB's?
Here is the other thing about Goff....we've seen who he is, many times over. With an elite supporting cast, well....the best game I've still ever seen was Goff against the Vikings in 2018. Pretty sure it has an argument for best QB'd game ever, because IIRC its the most pass attempts of all time to have a perfect passer rating. That was never in doubt.
The problem was when things broke down. Kupp got hurt, the OL took some hits, Gurley's knee.....in 2020, we had the #1 defense in both points and yards allowed. We had Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods, healthy. We had the one good year of Cam Aker's career and a top 10 running game. A QB can not ask for a better supporting cast top to bottom than that.
The season after, we swapped out Goff for Stafford and the running game fell off with Akers achilles injury, the defense regressed, then in the Super Bowl, we were down to basically Cooper Kupp and Brycen Hopkins on offense.
Then, even after that, we saw Goff melt down at home in a divisional round playoff game against a mediocre Commodes team.
If you just compare stats, Goff will always be right there. He was before the trade happened too. Its not about that....it never was. Its about being able to carry your team when things are not ideal, and being able to perform on the biggest stage. Stafford isn't perfect, but in those he destroys Goff.
The problem was when things broke down. Kupp got hurt, the OL took some hits, Gurley's knee.....in 2020, we had the #1 defense in both points and yards allowed. We had Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods, healthy. We had the one good year of Cam Aker's career and a top 10 running game. A QB can not ask for a better supporting cast top to bottom than that.
The season after, we swapped out Goff for Stafford and the running game fell off with Akers achilles injury, the defense regressed, then in the Super Bowl, we were down to basically Cooper Kupp and Brycen Hopkins on offense.
Then, even after that, we saw Goff melt down at home in a divisional round playoff game against a mediocre Commodes team.
If you just compare stats, Goff will always be right there. He was before the trade happened too. Its not about that....it never was. Its about being able to carry your team when things are not ideal, and being able to perform on the biggest stage. Stafford isn't perfect, but in those he destroys Goff.
Let’s not forget all the 4th quarter and game winning drives Stafford has missed out on because the D couldn’t make a stop or STs gaffs. The 2 point play game in OT. The block FG in Philly just to name a 2.
And the Philly playoff game that I have no doubt we win and probably win the Super Bowl that year because Philly was the only team to our level that season if Beaux Limmer doesn't let Carter run right past him with a streaking Higbee to the endzone.
brucebruce
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That slow and long wind up is still tough to watch because it takes me back to rams-off-the-cliff-Goof.
There's also this stat...........Goff has spent almost his entire career with a STUD running back......Gurley with the Rams and Gibbs with the Lions. Stafford has had a slew of mediocre running backs in Detroit and 1 damn fine, albeit under rated RB in L.A.. Still, as much as I like Kyren, he's not Jahmyr Gibbs or Todd Gurley.
As far as postseason stats, here they are.......
Stafford 13 GS, 7-6, 308 of 483 (63.8%) for 3932 yards (8.1 yds/att) with 25 TD (5.2%) and 7 Int (1.5%), for a 100.4 QB rating.
Goff 9 GS, 10 G, 5*-5, 213 of 348 (61.2%) for 2450 yards (7.0 yds/att) with 9 TD (2.6%) and 5 Int (1.4%), for a 85.1 QB rating
*Goff deserves the win for the game he took over early in the first quarter when McVay's mini-me was injured.
Clearly.....I'll repeat that.....CLEARLY, Stafford is the guy you want under center.
As far as postseason stats, here they are.......
Stafford 13 GS, 7-6, 308 of 483 (63.8%) for 3932 yards (8.1 yds/att) with 25 TD (5.2%) and 7 Int (1.5%), for a 100.4 QB rating.
Goff 9 GS, 10 G, 5*-5, 213 of 348 (61.2%) for 2450 yards (7.0 yds/att) with 9 TD (2.6%) and 5 Int (1.4%), for a 85.1 QB rating
*Goff deserves the win for the game he took over early in the first quarter when McVay's mini-me was injured.
Clearly.....I'll repeat that.....CLEARLY, Stafford is the guy you want under center.
Just for fun, I had Gemini make up this chart. Stafford ranks higher than Goff. However, Goff isn't that far behind him. Uncatchable ball rate, where the lower is better, shows Goff is the most accurate. I'm sure protection, WR routes, and throwing distance factor into that as well. It's not all-inclusive, of course. Just some names to give you a sense of where they stand compared to others. Edit: Added Ball velocities. Goff's spin rate is slower than others. He does throw some flutter balls. Allen has that power and speed with a slower delivery release time. A higher spin rate can relate to cutting through the wind better.
| Name | Release Time (Seconds) | Spin Rate (RPM) | Ball Velocity (Max MPH) | Career Average Uncatchable Pass Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aaron Rodgers | 0.307 | 650 – 700 | 58 mph | 19.1% |
| Dan Marino | 0.312 – 0.327 | 600 – 650 | 59 mph | 20.2% |
| Matthew Stafford | 0.31 – 0.33 | 650 – 700 | 58 – 60 mph | 18.4% |
| Tom Brady | 0.33 | 600 – 620 | 56 mph | 15.6% |
| Jared Goff | 0.33 – 0.35 | 570 – 600 | 54 – 56 mph | 15.2% (Best) |
| Patrick Mahomes | 0.35 – 0.37 | 600 – 620 | 58 – 60 mph | 16.8% |
| Josh Allen | 0.38 – 0.40 | 650 – 720 | 62 mph (Best) | 17.9% |
| Ben Roethlisberger | 0.40 – 0.42 | 540 – 570 | 55 – 57 mph | 19.5% |
| Tim Tebow / Byron Leftwich | 0.45 – 0.52 | 500 – 550 | 54 mph | 27.1% |
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Goff definitely wins in this category.
I liked Jared and think he took way more shit around here than he deserved, but Stafford won me over and I'm glad we've had him the last 5+ years.
Who is this Jared Goff you speak of? I seem to remember that name but... I see he plays for DET, so I could not care less.
BonifayRam
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I would agree with you on this, but for me It's Goff's lack of ability to sense or judge the under-siege throwing pocket that will deny him the ring.
Maybe I'm naive, but with his overall improvement, I bet McVay could win with him. Reality is if Detroit had a top 10 defense andva HC with a brain, he might have gotten a ring there. Especially that 2023 season when they should have easily beaten the Niners.
Another reality check. If Gurley was peak Gurley in 2018, he would have won a ring in LA.
I always thought there was an outside chance he might comeback here after Stafford retired and Detroit moved on from Goff for cap reasons. Not happening now as they have no reason to dump Goff and Simpson now looking like the heir apparent here.
I think McVay has said that stats are for suckers. Who would anyone rather have then and now. I liked Goff. But seriously? No contest.