Back then it was true! Today, the lineman are more athletic than he was.
So... I want Manziel in horns. Douchbag or not.
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Yep. I want him as well. I don't care if he weighs in at 180 and measures at 5'11'' at the Pajama Party. This kid does things on the field that I've never seen any QB do in nearly 45 years of watching Football, College or Pro.
I'll sum up the difference between him and Bradford in one brief paragraph:
Bradford acts like he doesn't care if he doesn't convert a key 3rd and short late in a game.
Manziel plays every down as if the life of every one of his family members depends on it.
I'll sum up the difference between him and Bradford in one brief paragraph:
Bradford acts like he doesn't care if he doesn't convert a key 3rd and short late in a game.
Manziel plays every down as if the life of every one of his family members depends on it.
lasvegasrams
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it wont matter how important manziel sees a down in the nfl if he keeps lowering his shoulder like he's jerome bettis.
i'd rather have my qb calm and collected like sam than a dude who reminds me of rg3 going through menopause
duckhunter
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That's like saying Babe Ruth couldn't hit today's pitching. Here's another example. Track sprint time records have decreased through the years. You might surmise they are getting faster, but there is a big difference running on cinder tracks and on Tartan surfaces. Like at least a half a second in the 100. No real way to compare times one way or the other. Most comparison factors are realistically only relative to the era and conditions of the time.
When Reggie White came out, he ran 4.6. Now which big men today at 280 run that on a shitty surface. Not LBs I'm talking DTs. The answer is none that I know of.
Yeah, maybe DEs were relatively larger to stop the run first offenses and hence slower than the Pass Rush Specialist today.
Manziel maybe a DB, but it's because he's a rich kid that has gotten everything he's ever wanted. He's 21 years old and has money. Of course he's a db Maturity is not going to be part of his personal life, but he plays far beyond his years when he steps between the lines.
If I had a young daughter and she brought Tim Tebow home, I'd be thrilled and would want her to marry him, but I wouldn't want him to be my starting QB.
As for Manziel not having arm strength, IDK how that even got started - go on YT and watch some vids. He can deliver the out pass from the opposite hash with heat and accuracy. He can throw the long pass and drop it right over the WR's shoulder as if he were dropping it into a bucket, and that's off of his back foot. The kid has a strong arm. Not a Dan Marino arm, but a strong enough, NFL quality arm. He can contort his body, throwing on the run and still deliver a strike with some pepper on it.
And yeah, I'd rather have a QB that looks like RG3 going thru menopause than a guy that drops back and looks like a guy walking backwards thru footdeep snow, taking a good .5th of a second at minimum off of his pass protection time leading to more sacks. Watch some tape of SB on a 5 or 7 step dropback - it's like he's wearing cement shoes. When you have just 2.5 seconds to throw, that .5th of a wasted second really matters. Clemons drops back so much faster even though he gets sacked more.
Bradford just seems to be in slo-mo out there. Manziel, like Bradford, will have to learn how to play and take a snap from under Center.
Manziel has much quicker feet so I don't think his drop back will be sluggish like Bradford's.
Sorry, but paying 18 Million a year on average for someone entering his 5th year of on the job training with minimal results is not a winning formula in the NFL or anywhere else. The Rams are in a position to dump SB and realize cap savings while having a high pick and having a chance to take a QB that will fill the Dome and bring some excitement back to STL
And imagine Manziel and Austin lined up together in the backfield. That would give DC's nightmare's.
Fisher and Schotty need to draft Manziel and get into the modern game and implement the Pistol/Option with these two speedsters and give Defenses fits and create mismatches.
Why the hell did we trade up for Austin if were just going to use him as a checkdown receiver?
Manziel would be the perfect compliment to Austin.
If I had a young daughter and she brought Tim Tebow home, I'd be thrilled and would want her to marry him, but I wouldn't want him to be my starting QB.
As for Manziel not having arm strength, IDK how that even got started - go on YT and watch some vids. He can deliver the out pass from the opposite hash with heat and accuracy. He can throw the long pass and drop it right over the WR's shoulder as if he were dropping it into a bucket, and that's off of his back foot. The kid has a strong arm. Not a Dan Marino arm, but a strong enough, NFL quality arm. He can contort his body, throwing on the run and still deliver a strike with some pepper on it.
And yeah, I'd rather have a QB that looks like RG3 going thru menopause than a guy that drops back and looks like a guy walking backwards thru footdeep snow, taking a good .5th of a second at minimum off of his pass protection time leading to more sacks. Watch some tape of SB on a 5 or 7 step dropback - it's like he's wearing cement shoes. When you have just 2.5 seconds to throw, that .5th of a wasted second really matters. Clemons drops back so much faster even though he gets sacked more.
Bradford just seems to be in slo-mo out there. Manziel, like Bradford, will have to learn how to play and take a snap from under Center.
Manziel has much quicker feet so I don't think his drop back will be sluggish like Bradford's.
Sorry, but paying 18 Million a year on average for someone entering his 5th year of on the job training with minimal results is not a winning formula in the NFL or anywhere else. The Rams are in a position to dump SB and realize cap savings while having a high pick and having a chance to take a QB that will fill the Dome and bring some excitement back to STL
And imagine Manziel and Austin lined up together in the backfield. That would give DC's nightmare's.
Fisher and Schotty need to draft Manziel and get into the modern game and implement the Pistol/Option with these two speedsters and give Defenses fits and create mismatches.
Why the hell did we trade up for Austin if were just going to use him as a checkdown receiver?
Manziel would be the perfect compliment to Austin.
His accuracy is not that great? I believe he led the SEC in accuracy at around 69% last season and this season. And the SEC is no panzy league either.
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2012: 68% Completion Rate. 1st in the SEC. 9th in the NCAA
2013: 69.9% Completion Rate. 1st in the SEC. 4th in the NCAA
I would say that's pretty damn accurate.
So what if he's rich? That sounds like petty, envious jealousy and speaks poorly more about you than him. C'mon, really?
I mean, Tim Tebow is a model citizen but I wouldn't want him as my QB
Heck, if I had a 20-something year-old daughter I would want her to marry him, but I wouldn't want him to QB my team.
And yeah, Manziel is coming out. Evans is coming out. Matthews is coming out. Why would he stay? His best WR will be gone. His best OL will be gone. No reason to stay. He'll go top 8
Hopefully, he'll go 2nd
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Manziel is more accurate than he's given credit for but completion% doesn't prove accuracy.
Here's a great example...Completion% in 2011 in College:
Brandon Weeden - 72.3%
Andrew Luck - 71.3%
Here's another good one...Career Completion% in College:
Jeff Godfrey - 67.7%
Russell Wilson - 60.9%
Now, you may ask...who is Jeff Godfrey? Jeff Godfrey is Blake Bortles's slot WR. Godfrey started at QB his first two years at UCF before losing his job to Blake Bortles.
Playing for the Rams would be a nightmare for Manziel. In his two years in college, he had the best OL and protection. He ran a wide open Air Raid offense. And he could throw it up to his huge WR, Mike Evans.
He's not going to get that sort of protection from the Rams. I don't see Schotty and Fisher running the sort of offense he needs. And he won't have as talented of receivers or as wide open of throwing lanes to throw it to.
I think Manziel can be successful in the NFL...but the Rams are not a good fit for him.
duckhunter
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Welcome NorCal to the board.
You make some valid points about the Manziel and Bradford. I think Manziel is a better QB than most give him credit. It's hard getting around his personality.
I'm resigned to the fact Fish is tied at the hip with Bradford this year. Let's hope for the best but after next year he's more than just fair game. That's why they play the games. His demeanor, skills and career progression reminds me of Jim Plunket who eventually did win a SB but just not with Buffalo.
The QB controversy that many are trying and hoping to avoid may be unavoidable.
You make some valid points about the Manziel and Bradford. I think Manziel is a better QB than most give him credit. It's hard getting around his personality.
I'm resigned to the fact Fish is tied at the hip with Bradford this year. Let's hope for the best but after next year he's more than just fair game. That's why they play the games. His demeanor, skills and career progression reminds me of Jim Plunket who eventually did win a SB but just not with Buffalo.
The QB controversy that many are trying and hoping to avoid may be unavoidable.
It's too bad that the Rams likely won't draft Manziel and the Rams will stick with SB for another year or two, then start all over again. At that time, Manziel will be flourishing for whatever team picks him and we can add him to the long list of "what ifs" of Rams draft picks that weren't made.
No guts, no glory.
After 45 years, I'm just about done. I'll watch the Rams, but to watch real talent like Quinn and 'Tree. Players that don't take 5 years to hopefully develop while soaking up huge cap dollars.
And I'll certainly watch whatever team drafts Manziel.
And the Rams will continue to go 7-9, 6-10 and we'll hear the usual chorus of excuses. They'll pick another QB, the young core of talent will get older, the window will get smaller and opportunity will be once again missed. Sad, but true.
The only silver lining is the SF and Seattle will have to pay out huge contracts to Kap and to Wilson in the next couple of years.
I just hope AZ doesn't end up with Manziel. All the Manziel nay-sayers, do you want him in our division?
I didn't think so.
On the flip side, we're going to have to pay Robert Quinn a lot of money after next season. But he's worth every cent.
No guts, no glory.
After 45 years, I'm just about done. I'll watch the Rams, but to watch real talent like Quinn and 'Tree. Players that don't take 5 years to hopefully develop while soaking up huge cap dollars.
And I'll certainly watch whatever team drafts Manziel.
And the Rams will continue to go 7-9, 6-10 and we'll hear the usual chorus of excuses. They'll pick another QB, the young core of talent will get older, the window will get smaller and opportunity will be once again missed. Sad, but true.
The only silver lining is the SF and Seattle will have to pay out huge contracts to Kap and to Wilson in the next couple of years.
I just hope AZ doesn't end up with Manziel. All the Manziel nay-sayers, do you want him in our division?
I didn't think so.
On the flip side, we're going to have to pay Robert Quinn a lot of money after next season. But he's worth every cent.
Thanks for the welcome. IDK why so many people think Manziel will be a boom or bust QB. I think he will be a very good but not a great QB as his speed will be somewhat negated at the next level, but will still be effective. He seems like he can run a 4.5 in shorts as well as in a helmet and shells.
Can't wait to see him at the Pajama Party.
Either way no matter where he lands, I will follow his career and enjoy watching him play.
He is definitely an egotistical jerk, but he reminds me more of a quarterback named Joe Montana, than anyone that I have seen in years. Only difference is he has more mobility. I wonder how he will handle it when he suffers his first major injury in the NFL. I am not sure about his durability.
I have no particular view on Manziel except that i don't want the Rams to draft him. However, I'd love it if the Cardinals used their first rounder to draft him. It's the pocket passers like Palmer who give us the most trouble. Especially when we're playing ten yards off the LOS. JM's game won't transfer to the NFL. Vick came the closest but how many games has he missed to injury and who's the starting QB on his team? How is Wilson, RGME and Kapernoodle doing this year? Running QBs have no future in the NFL IMO.
I'd love it if JM replaced Palmer. We get plenty of practice playing against guys whose games are similar and how have they fared against us this year.
I'm giving Sam another year before I start thinking about replacing him.
If you're all about instant gratification then you should probably be hoping we draft Clowney. He'll probably be pretty good right away.
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Well, after watching one of the highlight reels, he's certainly not the type of QB that I'd predict much success for in the NFL. A lot of great running highlights and some deep throws but it all looks like it's just the same type of stuff where whatever passing success he has is predicated on the threat of him running. Great for football follies, not so much what I'd like to see in a QB. Seems like he either had ALL DAY to stand back in the pocket or he was checking his first read and tucking and running. Really doesn't seem like the type of play that will translate to the NFL for long. One dinged wheel and he's relying on his passing skills...that hasn't worked out too well for most of the guys that have come before him.
fearsomefour
Legend
Manziels' deep throws remind me of Leinart. Big rainbows his WR can go camp under….picks in the NFL. I dont see much to like in his game. Small and light, average arm strength, bad technique ect. He may end up being successful, but, I doubt it. Different skill set but I see him very much like another smaller QB with huge college number, Chase Daniels. As far as bringing excitement to the dome, letting rabid monkey loose on gameday would bring excitement as well, just as bad of an idea of wasting a high pick on Manziel in my opinion. But hey, I have been wrong many times before regarding QBs (loved Dilfer coming out) as have many GMs (Leaf vs Manning) and I dont wish Manziel any ill will. I just cant imagine a team burning a first round pick on him. I think he goes in the 2-3rd round….I wouldnt draft him period.
I don't think that Keapernick is going to get a bit contract.it'll be bigger than what he has now but it won't be a monster deal. He has just as much of a chance of being demoted and having the team draft or acquire a QB to be the starter IMO. He's played some crappy games this year and if he effed up in Green Bay the 49ers have to consider other options because that window is only going to be open for 2-3 more years.
