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[OldSchool]

And pre-draft grades play a significant role in where these players are selected.

No a teams draft grades affect where they draft them not guys on the internet saying they only think there are 12 guys with 1st round grades.

 

[LouisvilleRam]

I dunno.
I'm certainly no QB draft choice expert, but I don't understand the infatuation with Shough. He couldn't beat out Dillon Gabriel , Bo Nix or Herbert at Oregon.
I watch virtually every Ducks game, being a big time homer , and when he did play in a mop up role, he didn't impress. I understand that other back ups were playing when he was also on the field, but I just don't see the guy being much as a pro.

When Shough transferred to Louisville I admit I knew little to nothing about him. So I started looking up information on him and saw how highly ranked he was coming out of high school and then of course I noticed his injury history. So I didn't know what to expect this year when he went under center but I was impressed with his mobility for his size and he throws a great deep ball. Now the ACC has some really bad teams so it's hard to judge how he would do against BIG or SEC competition. I probably wouldn't take him above the 3rd round but it's starting to sound like someone will.

 

[Memphis Ram]

So teams picking are doing their utmost to trade back to the 2nd round? I mean there's only 12 players worth taking in the 1st round right?

I doubt it as most would understand that may be impossible as you have to have two to tango.

 

[Memphis Ram]

No a teams draft grades affect where they draft them not guys on the internet saying they only think there are 12 guys with 1st round grades.

You are not getting it. Sure each team has their own draft board and grades. But that doesn't mean that they have 32 players with 1st round grades on their draft board. Especially with each draft class is being different. Surely you've heard of a draft class being considered strong and another being considered weaker.

Anyway, every year we hear that there are a certain number of players in a draft class that have 1st round grades. This year it happens to be lower than some others. The next 30-50 players are rated about the same. The late Gil Brandt would point this out every year.

And people in the NFL are the ones talking to some of these draftnik media personalities and telling them these things.

Guys like Kiper, McShay, Brugler, Jeremiah, etc.. actually talk to and get info from the actual NFL teams. Former NFL Scout Bryan Broaddus has what he calls a Gang of 7 NFL Executives that he bounces things off of and that's what he was told, too. He still studies these players for his Draft Show and came to the same conclusion though he came up with a 13th player.

 

[PhillyRam]

Again that's understood. But, the discussion being had isn't in regard to post-draft day. It's pre draft day. And pre-draft grades play a significant role in where these players are selected.

The overall point being made is that draftnik media either on their own and via info from NFL teams believe that there are a limited number of 1st round grades in this draft class. Now some are saying that this or that QB isn't 1st round material so they shouldn't be considered by the Rams. But what is being pointed out is the same can be said for the other positions, too.

Exactly!

 

[XXXIVwin]

Matthew Stafford says he’s a Ram for “at least another year and hopefully some after that”​

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/matthew-stafford-says-ram-least-140823510.html

Just for the record, @DzRams, I totally agree with you on this one. I'm very optimistic that Stafford fully intends on playing QB for the Rams in 2026. The way he said "and hopefully some after that"-- including his tone and body language-- makes it seem altogether probable that he wants to play in 2026. Some others have dismissed this optimism as "wishful thinking" or "seeing something that isn't there", but I disagree. To me it's beyond clear that "hopefully some after that" indicates his desire to play beyond 2025.

If stafford were off-the-record and speaking privately, I'd imagine he could say something like: "Yeah, I'd love to play in 2026 as well. But that's only assuming that my play doesn't fall off dramatically or I get a major injury. Hey, I know I'm getting older and there are no guarantees. But I love this game, I love this city, and I love my coaches and teammates. So as long as I'm healthy and still playing at a high level, then yes, I'd like to play in 2026. And yeah I could bullshit you and imply I'd play somewhere else... but the cat's out of the bag now, it's pretty obvious I want to stay in LA to finish my career, I don't want to uproot my entire family just to play a year somewhere else. So yeah, as long as I'm healthy and the salary is reasonable, I fully intend to play with the Rams in 2026."

And no, I don't think this is unreasonably "optimistic." I think this is a fair estimation of what Stafford thinks and prefers, based on SEVERAL comments he has made over the last couple years.

The ONLY reason MS isn't locked in for 2026 is that the RAMS didn't want to give him guaranteed money for more than one year. McVay stated that clearly. If it were up to Stafford, he would be locked in as the Rams starter for 2 full years with guaranteed money for 2 years. But Rams weren't willing to commit to that.

So as long as Stafford is playing well and stays healthy, and McVay and the Rams want him to stay for 2026, this partnership will continue.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Btw I am fine with McCord too. If McVay has a bro love moment with him in whiteboard session and wants him that is good enough for me. Plus the more I have gone back and watched McCord the more I like him.

It will be very funny if this class outperforms expectations. Also it is very funny when teams who have a great need at the position turn their nose up on options and watch them go on to strong careers. Marino went 27th overall, Kelly 14th, Rodgers 24th, Brady 6th round. It's easy to overnuke these guys or judge them too harshly on one thing or another and end up missing out on a dude who can play.

That was a different era. Teams weren’t as pass game dependent. More RBs went in round 1 then also. Plus linebackers were a drafted higher then too.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If McVay really likes him as I was told, then I fucking love him.

The Jets also do too, and thats where it gets wild.. who's going to "reach" for him? I'm not putting it past the Rams to take him R1 or 2

You were told McVay likes Kyle McCord? Is it likely information like that would be leaked, if it’s true? They had their draft preferences locked down right up to the picks in the last two years. Les and Sean even made a decoy run to PSU right before the 2024 draft and we’re asking about trading up for an OLT.


I’m not against them picking McCord. He has the arm talent .

 

[OldSchool]

You are not getting it. Sure each team has their own draft board and grades. But that doesn't mean that they have 32 players with 1st round grades on their draft board. Especially with each draft class is being different. Surely you've heard of a draft class being considered strong and another being considered weaker.

Anyway, every year we hear that there are a certain number of players in a draft class that have 1st round grades. This year it happens to be lower than some others. The next 30-50 players are rated about the same. The late Gil Brandt would point this out every year.

And people in the NFL are the ones talking to some of these draftnik media personalities and telling them these things.

Guys like Kiper, McShay, Brugler, Jeremiah, etc.. actually talk to and get info from the actual NFL teams. Former NFL Scout Bryan Broaddus has what he calls a Gang of 7 NFL Executives that he bounces things off of and that's what he was told, too. He still studies these players for his Draft Show and came to the same conclusion though he came up with a 13th player.

Teams give them smoke and mirrors and they send that out for the teams. I think the only media guy who knows what McVay and Snead want/think would be Peter Schrager. The rest is pure BS that far too many people ingest and treat as real. I actually get it 100%. You seem to believe the smoke.

 

[ottoman89]

You were told McVay likes Kyle McCord? Is it likely information like that would be leaked, if it’s true? They had their draft preferences locked down right up to the picks in the last two years. Les and Sean even made a decoy run to PSU right before the 2024 draft and we’re asking about trading up for an OLT.


I’m not against them picking McCord. He has the arm talent .

I was told by a draft account and buddy that he really likes McCord and so do the Jets. He's got over 100k followers.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Teams give them smoke and mirrors and they send that out for the teams. I think the only media guy who knows what McVay and Snead want/think would be Peter Schrager. The rest is pure BS that far too many people ingest and treat as real. I actually get it 100%. You seem to believe the smoke.

I don't think you do as I was not referring to what McVay or Snead wants/thinks at all. I'm talking about a general assessment of the talent in the draft class. That can be discussed without giving away any team's player preferences. BTW, Peter Schrager was the one that had us thinking offensive player in the 1st round last year.

 

[Memphis Ram]

You were told McVay likes Kyle McCord? Is it likely information like that would be leaked, if it’s true? They had their draft preferences locked down right up to the picks in the last two years. Les and Sean even made a decoy run to PSU right before the 2024 draft and we’re asking about trading up for an OLT.

I think we were asking about an OT because of Peter Schrager's belief that the team would be drafting an offensive player. But didn't we later find out that late trip Snead's Assistant took was for Chop Robinson?

Looking at the draft video, Robinson sure seemed to think the Rams were going to select him and then played it off talking about state taxes when they took Verse instead.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I was told by a draft account and buddy that he really likes McCord and so do the Jets. He's got over 100k followers.

Interesting. And Rick Spielman seemed to be pretty high on Dart in podcasts before he got that gig with the Jets as Senior Football Advisor. Justin Fields contract shouldn't stop them from taking a QB early if they like one.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Does it though? McVay loved Wolford, gave Perkins a chance, drafted Bennett and we saw the offense they used with Wentz.
On the other hand, he kept Mannion around for 4 years and he couldnt out run a washing machine so there's that

You jerk, you owe that poor washer machine an apology lol

 

[ottoman89]

I'm not saying you should take my or his word for it, just something I heard considering I don't have a track record for inside into before this and I do understand why you wouldn't trust me.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I think we were asking about an OT because of Peter Schrager's belief that the team would be drafting an offensive player. But didn't we later find out that late trip Snead's Assistant took was for Chop Robinson?

Looking at the draft video, Robinson sure seemed to think the Rams were going to select him and then played it off talking about state taxes when they took Verse instead.

Les and Sean went to PSU to talk to Chop. At the same time they sent a scout to talk to Verse. It was subterfuge.

The Oline rumor was started by Rusini, and Shrager and a few others. Apparently teams told them that the Rams were calling around asking to trade up for a Left tackle. So, the Rams played the press by faking trade interest to move for a left tackle.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Les and Sean went to PSU to talk to Chop. At the same time they sent a scout to talk to Verse. It was subterfuge.

The Oline rumor was started by Rusini, and Shrager and a few others. Apparently teams told them that the Rams were calling around asking to trade up for a Left tackle. So, the Rams played the press by faking trade interest to move for a left tackle.

Just re-read Jourdan Rodrigue's article. The Rams sent Andy Sugarman alone to Penn State pre-draft to see Chop Robinson two days before he went see Verse. The Robinson trip got out, but the Verse trip did not.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Just re-read Jourdan Rodrigue's article. The Rams sent Andy Sugarman alone to Penn State pre-draft to see Chop Robinson two days before he went see Verse. The Robinson trip got out, but the Verse trip did not.

The reports I read just said the Rams went to PSU. I figured it was McVay and Snead.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Just re-read Jourdan Rodrigue's article. The Rams sent Andy Sugarman alone to Penn State pre-draft to see Chop Robinson two days before he went see Verse. The Robinson trip got out, but the Verse trip did not.

I read about the Rams being there from other sources. I overlooked Jourdan’s part two on finding Rams. I’m glad you said something. I just went back and read it. Thanks

 

[Merlin]

You were told McVay likes Kyle McCord? Is it likely information like that would be leaked, if it’s true? They had their draft preferences locked down right up to the picks in the last two years. Les and Sean even made a decoy run to PSU right before the 2024 draft and we’re asking about trading up for an OLT.


I’m not against them picking McCord. He has the arm talent .

It makes sense that he likes him. Kid deals the ball quickly and accurately with plenty of arm.

Strategically we know Cam is out. He's the QB1 so he'll be off the board too high for us.

After that though I think there's a ton of team misdirection and BS. They have allowed the media to run with the Sanders storyline for so long it's taken as gospel, but watch his film and you don't see a QB pushing the envelope and throwing with anticipation and he's not a dude with a strong arm. So how does Sanders stack with the rest of these boys given that he's a project and underneath specialist. That's the question with him and it's why I think he's gonna slide. But boy do I hope someone takes him because I don't want us to.

Projects as I see them are Sanders, Dart, and Milroe. All three are best served with a redshirt year and get that with the Rams. Dart like Sanders will need time to learn a real offense. Milroe needs a ton of rounding out too unless you plan on running a college attack which I don't see McVay doing. But all three get a redshirt with McVay so I'd say all are potentially in play just a question of when the Rams think they have value in this grouping.

Shough and McCord look quite polished on their film. Getting through reads and distributing the ball and probably start sooner than the project dudes.

After they go off I think it's QB2 time. So I'd imagine the Rams try to position for one of the above. Does Shough get out of round 2? I seriously doubt that. Same with McCord. Which means why not take the one you like late first round and get the 5th year of team control.

Back to the projects they will come down to team projections. Some of us like Dart. Some of us like someone else and others think they're all shit. But I'll just say that teams aren't gonna tell these media asswipes who they love when it comes to QBs. Shit is too important to tip that info.