Puka may end up like Kupp where the hits can pile up on him and losing a step will affect his game badly when it happens. But fuck Brown. Legit player but I wouldn't trade Puka for him straight up.
McShay Mocks Us Ty Simpson At 13
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He looks to me a like a Bo Nix type Quarterback. Like Costanza, "the little bull-dog." Drew Brees on the high end. Intriguing prospect I'm sure for the "QB Guru" type Head Coaches Mac, Shanny, Asshole Face.
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Like Ty as a mid to late 2nd round prospect. If I compare him to last years class not sure he measures above Dart or Shough.
Best case Brock Purdy; worst case a crappier Marc Bulger.
I definitely like him better than Shough. About the same tier as Dart for me. Dart had more physical tools, Simpson appears more polished.
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If he ends up better than Shough he'll be worth the 1st round pick. Because Shough can play at this level I think.
I think Dart's most underrated quality was his feel for the rush. Simpson is solid there but he's also smaller just a lesser talent plus has the small sample size.
Started there…and ended there.I had Philly fans elsewhere say it started at 13 our 2nd and BY to get Brown. It started there
Shough arguably played the best out of all the rookie qb's last year, I think Saints found something there
My rankings is at draft time.
After one professional season, both Dart and Shough are even higher rated on my personal ranking. I’m not sure Simpson will reach such heights (very unlikely).
Legit belief, Marc Bulger was SIGNIFICANTLY more talented than Purdy and tougher, but had Martz sacrificing him to the football gods for a few more completed passes. Bulger in Shanny’s offense? As sacrilegious a thought as that is, it wouldn’t be close.
Bulger would have taken him to multiple Super Bowls and likely wins.
Purdy is far better than anyone thought based on his draft slot, but Bulger was built different and played in the early 2000s before protecting the QB was a thing.
Edit: Let the Bulger - Purdy wars BEGIN!
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One part of my comparison that doesn't quite hit with "worse Bulger" is Ty Simpson is more athletic like Purdy. Buger was a statue. Purdy is heads and tails more athletic. I think Bulger would be good in the Shanny sxs but not as good as Purdy.
Respectfully disagree. He threw a much better ball and was far more consistent with ball placement (which isn’t remote same as completion percentage). His arm was stronger and he was a statue because Martz wanted that…he wanted constant eyes downfield and if he missed even a half second moving off his spot, Martz would lose his shit. He got Warner, Bulger and later Kitna smoked.
I was always a Warner guy, but I always respected the hell out of Bulger. He had an amazing arm and when they would hold those pro bowl QB challenges, Bulger usually crapped on the competition.
Yes, I agree Purdy is more athletic, but I don’t think he’s even close to on the same tier as Bulger. Purdy got injured in today’s NFL. How would he have survived when lineman could land on you and you had guys like Ray Lewis rearranging QB’s synapses?
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I mean, I think we're kinda talking cross-purposes to each other but yeah think we'll disagree. Think Purdy and Bulger prob have comparable arms, Bulger's strength* and accuracy took a hit past 20ish yards and while Martz wanted the QB to stand tall in pocket and make reads and get the ball out, Bulger had no athleticism to move that well in the pocket nor escape at all.
Love me some Bulger but dude had a lot of limitations. Crazy accurate with the ball below 20ish yards and could get it out quick though.
*I haven't looked at his tape in a LONG time but I bet he had to hitch like 10 times to get the ball 40 yards.
We’re probably not that far apart, but yeah.
I give the edge in arm strength to Bulger for sure, but neither was Favre.
Purdy is more mobile, but we can’t know how much more because leaving the pocket in 2003 could get you killed. You’d never have seen a Mahomes or a Josh Allen in 2003. You had to be as fast as Vick to reliably run as a QB or at least as fast as Randall Cunningham or McNair and tough as nails…so maybe Allen, but the abuse would have been astronomically high. McNabb used to run and had to convert to a pocket QB because the injuries just kept piling up. Also, Bulger’s OL disintegrated within a few years to hot garbage and it’s impossible to judge any QB when he’s under a thousand pounds of defensive linemen.
Was a really different league then.
I’m just saying recency bias and not taking into account how much tougher you had to be playing QB back then can skew perspectives.
Bottom line for me: In today’s NFL, I take 2002-2003 Bulger over Purdy on his best day and twice on Sunday. In 2003? I take Bulger over Purdy a hundred times on Sunday, no question.
That said, I understand that folks feel different.
I give the edge in arm strength to Bulger for sure, but neither was Favre.
Purdy is more mobile, but we can’t know how much more because leaving the pocket in 2003 could get you killed. You’d never have seen a Mahomes or a Josh Allen in 2003. You had to be as fast as Vick to reliably run as a QB or at least as fast as Randall Cunningham or McNair and tough as nails…so maybe Allen, but the abuse would have been astronomically high. McNabb used to run and had to convert to a pocket QB because the injuries just kept piling up. Also, Bulger’s OL disintegrated within a few years to hot garbage and it’s impossible to judge any QB when he’s under a thousand pounds of defensive linemen.
Was a really different league then.
I’m just saying recency bias and not taking into account how much tougher you had to be playing QB back then can skew perspectives.
Bottom line for me: In today’s NFL, I take 2002-2003 Bulger over Purdy on his best day and twice on Sunday. In 2003? I take Bulger over Purdy a hundred times on Sunday, no question.
That said, I understand that folks feel different.
I'm not going to argue any dirtbag whiner player is better than a former Ram, BUT Bulger was very streaky. I have sat there live and watch him be unable to hit the broadside of a barn then throw an absolute dime. Unfortunately, I watched him miss way too much for my liking and if he was off, he was off generally for the entire game. He was also a bit like early Goff. You rattle him even a little bit and he was done. Part of that might have been on Martz's propensity to get his QBs killed but I was just never a Bulger fan.
I wasn’t his biggest supporter either and fought on Team Warner all the way.
I just don’t think Martz’s ability to get his QBs killed can be ignored. I think *most* of his streakiness was a function of getting hit during 2003 rules… which were positively primitive compared to today’s rules protecting the QB
When right, I say he’s much better than Purdy, but maybe the best way to say it was that Bulger had both a higher ceiling and lower floor.
I don't know, I recall Bulger getting his ass kicked and still gutting out a few wins or playing well in his first few yrs. It's only after he got killed, over several yrs, where he started being affected more negatively to pressure.