Mayfield and McVay

[BonifayRam]

Say as you will Bonify’d. Pick yourself out of the JUNK YARD.
IMO it would be DUMB to reach for a ROOKIE in 2023. Look at Bruss.
Whitworth was one of The Best FA signings The Rams have ever had.Say as you will,but David Edwards being resigned would be like The Rams resigning Noteboom,Allen & Shelton.
The offense line should have been addressed the last couple season because of the 5(6) FA players. I don’t know,but I’m not drinking the Kool-aide right now. Just going through trying to salvage what is left.

You know best if Bobby Evans was still on the 2022 roster The Rams would be in trouble & have CRAP depth.

How did you know I had a dozen old vehicles sitting on cement blocks without wheels out my front door?

IMO It is very obvious to many that the Rams need an HD injection of HEALTHY young strong undamaged OL prospects. I know of no other path to accomplish savaging this OL other than the ultra-low-cost drafted rookies. Yes, I agree with you in hindsight the OL should have been addressed better in past drafts.

The Rams did address the Rams Ol this year (2022) with the 14 contracts given to Havenstein, Noteboom, Allen, Shelton, Brewer, Arcuri, Aboushi, Bruss, Skura, Cole Toner, Kolone, Pircher, Zac Thomas & Nsekhe.

The Rams current 5 starters' average age is 30 yrs old. The 5 current reserve OL'ers average 28 yrs old. So this OL unit is a veteran OL by NFL standards.

Would you not agree with this the OL needs a constant well blending of healthy drafted OL'ers with talent. How can you reasonably justify disagreeing with that suggestion when the Rams team continues to be short on salary funds to bring another all-pro Whitworth-like OL'er in here if there was one like him available?

I do not want Edwards ever starting @ OG for this Rams team.

I certainly do not see OL'er Bobby Evans as saving this Ram OL from anything in 2022. I have said he might be the best Ram OL'er when it come to maintaining his health.

 

[Packfan18]

Didn’t he win a Superbowl for the Packers?

Our defense won that for us. We had a Top 5 defense the year we won the Super Bowl. We also had a great rushing offense with James Starks leading the way. We had awesome WRs like Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver and Andrew Quarless. Since then Rodgers is horrible in big games.

 

[dieterbrock]

Our defense won that for us. We had a Top 5 defense the year we won the Super Bowl. We also had a great rushing offense with James Starks leading the way. We had awesome WRs like Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver and Andrew Quarless. Since then Rodgers is horrible in big games.

You have to be kidding me. Starting to wonder if you're really even a Packers fan
The defense won it for them? Rodgers threw for 300+ yards and 3 TD's against the #1 Defense in the league
And I'd like to understand what "horrible" is
Is it when he threw for 430 yards, 4 TD's but his D gave up 51 to the Cards?
When the D gave up 37 points to the Giants?
When he had 290 total yards, 2 TD but they allowed Kaepernick 450 yards, 4 TD and 45 points?
Or when they had a 19-7 lead with just over 2 minutes left and the D allowed 2 TD to Seattle?
44 points allowed by the Falcons?
37 to the 49ers?
Sure, it's all Aaron Rodgers fault....
The guy has become a total douche nozzle, there's no doubt about that. But to dismiss his post season career over how poorly his defenses have been makes me really doubt your "fanhood"

 

[Tano]

You are correct. We have been in agreement with this position.

The position most here in ROD feels comfortable is where the often injured OL'ers become instantly healed along with magically changing & morphing into a block of granite to be ready in 2023 TC. They just take the far positive side of this OL issue because it's much easier for future discussions & puts them in move-on mode.

I fall on the opposite side of this OL discussion- pessimistic. It's not the warm feel-good side but I am permitted. If I were to take a positive outlook I might look at this below-projected lineup for Rams OL in 2023 TC.

LT- Noteboom/ Nsekhe/ Thomas
LG-Jackson/ Brewer/ Skura
OC-Allen/ Shelton/ Kolone
RG-Anchrum/ Bruss/ Aboushi
RT-Havenstein/ Arcuri/ Pircher

The Above positive projected 2023 OL has 7 UFA's resigned from the 2022 OL Ram unit. It also contains 5 who suffered season ending injuries too. None will have any effect on the Compensatory Awarded Draft Selections for the 2023 Draft. This is what I would suggest Snead to do, along with adding draft picks into the OC/LT/LG positions. It's all affordable with little salary cap funds.

What? No Evans???? Blasphemy!!!!!

 

[Tano]

I know AD99 doesn’t draw all them a few times a game for sure.You want to hand out excuse you can.

AD99 only gets 1% at most of the holding calls that could be called in a game.

 

[RocknRam29]

View: https://twitter.com/JourdanRodrigue/status/1603504063705817089

 

[Packfan18]

You have to be kidding me. Starting to wonder if you're really even a Packers fan
The defense won it for them? Rodgers threw for 300+ yards and 3 TD's against the #1 Defense in the league
And I'd like to understand what "horrible" is
Is it when he threw for 430 yards, 4 TD's but his D gave up 51 to the Cards?
When the D gave up 37 points to the Giants?
When he had 290 total yards, 2 TD but they allowed Kaepernick 450 yards, 4 TD and 45 points?
Or when they had a 19-7 lead with just over 2 minutes left and the D allowed 2 TD to Seattle?
44 points allowed by the Falcons?
37 to the 49ers?
Sure, it's all Aaron Rodgers fault....
The guy has become a total douche nozzle, there's no doubt about that. But to dismiss his post season career over how poorly his defenses have been makes me really doubt your "fanhood"

I’m a diehard Packers fan but lots of us are sick of Rodgers playoff performances. It seems like when we’re down by 3-7 points with a minute left he can’t get it done. He is the best regular season QB ever but he has a 12-10 record all times in the playoffs. Trust me there are plenty of us that are ready to move on from him.

 

[Packfan18]

You have to be kidding me. Starting to wonder if you're really even a Packers fan
The defense won it for them? Rodgers threw for 300+ yards and 3 TD's against the #1 Defense in the league
And I'd like to understand what "horrible" is
Is it when he threw for 430 yards, 4 TD's but his D gave up 51 to the Cards?
When the D gave up 37 points to the Giants?
When he had 290 total yards, 2 TD but they allowed Kaepernick 450 yards, 4 TD and 45 points?
Or when they had a 19-7 lead with just over 2 minutes left and the D allowed 2 TD to Seattle?
44 points allowed by the Falcons?
37 to the 49ers?
Sure, it's all Aaron Rodgers fault....
The guy has become a total douche nozzle, there's no doubt about that. But to dismiss his post season career over how poorly his defenses have been makes me really doubt your "fanhood"

I agree the defense was also at fault losing those games as well as Mike McCarthy and Matt Lafluer also.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

Tell me who is going to play RB next season? I actually like the way Mcvay handled Cam Akers last Thursday Night.
I guess you didn’t watch the game? Havienstien looked like the worst of the bunch. Straight one on one.He better go look at film & figure out again. He is the Veteran who is leading example for the younger Lineman

I’m ok with RB-by-committee, but not with OL-by-committee. We need to find a couple legit starters somehow. We haven’t had OLers who can move people out of the way to power a run game in a long time. I think a threatening run game would protect Staff more than anything. If we don’t commit to protecting Staff in this way, I think we might as well rebuild and let him retire.

 

[Memento]

Since you were watching the game, could you remind us of the name of the Edge-rusher that was beating Havenstein 1-on-1 in the pass-rush.

Maxx Crosby is an elite edge rusher in his prime. No shame in getting beat by people like him.

EDIT: I don't mean you were critiquing Havenstein, Allen. I just wanted to talk about Crosby.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Maxx Crosby is an elite edge rusher in his prime. No shame in getting beat by people like him.

EDIT: I don't mean you were critiquing Havenstein, Allen. I just wanted to talk about Crosby.

If you go back and look at the exchange between So Ram and me (prior page), I was defending Havenstein.

When another poster (RamDino) said Havenstein was the best OL on the Rams, So Ram was critical of Havenstein's play against the Raiders; and made a snarky comment suggesting RamDino must not have watched the game.

That's when I got involved, asking So Ram if he knew who was beating Havenstein. I was trying to point-out that Havenstein was going 1-on-1 against one of the best Edge-players in the NFL.

 

[Memento]

If you go back and look at the exchange between So Ram and me (prior page), I was defending Havenstein.

When another poster (RamDino) said Havenstein was the best OL on the Rams, So Ram was critical of Havenstein's play against the Raiders; and made a snarky comment suggesting RamDino must not have watched the game.

That's when I got involved, asking So Ram if he knew who was beating Havenstein. I was trying to point-out that Havenstein was going 1-on-1 against one of the best Edge-players in the NFL.

I understand, and I apologize. I totally agree with you; there's no shame in Havenstein being beat by one of the edges in the game right now.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I understand, and I apologize. I totally agree with you; there's no shame in Havenstein being beat by one of the edges in the game right now.

That's OK.

So Ram never bit.

When I asked if he knew who was going against Havenstein, So Ram responded with 'Does it matter?'
I said "Yes" but he did not respond any more.

 

[ReekofRams]

Agreed.

The only reason I can see any reason to resign UFA David Edwards is:

a). If DE will sign for an economy 2yr contract. If DE wants more ....bye & good luck. He may want to be given a chance to start @ RT in the NFL.

b). If Coach Carberry determines DE has the ability to be a reserve emergency LT & a reserve LG/RT.

DE has started @ LT for Carberry in 2021 season. So the issues @ LT are serious enough to consider this. DE did start for 3 winning seasons for this team. He is not a strong starting prospect for LG post.

Rams could just take the shotgun approach on aiming for the 2023 OL'er unit. The entire unit is one big question with the exception of the RT cadre. With the pending 4 Compensatory Draft Pick Awards for 2023, it may be the best way to approach this offseason in this OL.

Carberry has a mess on his hands & must find healthy OL'ers to go into the new season. He has had an opportunity to coach an extra large amount of OL'ers coming in & out of the roster. IMO he made some mistakes. His future OL needs to work heavily on the improvement of its run-blocking & finding OL'ers who can make that happen!

Don’t go being too harsh on Carberry now. Yes he does deserve some blame, but he has to work within the constraints of McVay’s offense which calls for faster, more agile, and usually lighter offensive linemen. Plus, although through the draft McVay blessed Carberry one lone offensive lineman in Bruss, not counting Acuri, who ended up with a season ending surgery, McVay has seemed reluctant to give Carberry the necessary umph a good oline needs. Carberry needs the proper tools, and so far they haven’t been provided. Could he execute it better? Yes. But if he had the right tools the problems become fixable.

 

[Memento]

That's OK.

So Ram never bit.

When I asked if he knew who was going against Havenstein, So Ram responded with 'Does it matter?'
I said "Yes" but he did not respond any more.

Absolutely it matters. Abso-fucking-lutely it matters. That's why I refuse to critique Noteboom for the game against Von Miller; you're talking about one of the best edge rushers in this generation. It's like critiquing a single guard for not being able to stop Aaron Donald, for instance; sooner or later, AD is going to win a rep, going to wreck a play, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Directing it at @So Ram

 

[So Ram]

Akers, Williams, and two 6th-round draft choices. Maybe pick up a cheap free agent. Let's face it... even Todd Gurley would have trouble running behind this O-line. Remember 2016 and him getting hit constantly behind the line of scrimmage? That's what the current Ram running backs have been dealing with the past 2 seasons. Thank God Big Whit was there to keep Stafford clean last year or they would not have had the success the did.

Don’t think that will be how it goes,but then again we’ll see how things end up this last month.

 

[So Ram]

I’m ok with RB-by-committee, but not with OL-by-committee. We need to find a couple legit starters somehow. We haven’t had OLers who can move people out of the way to power a run game in a long time. I think a threatening run game would protect Staff more than anything. If we don’t commit to protecting Staff in this way, I think we might as well rebuild and let him retire.

Still need to get the running game going.

Agree The O’Line needs an upgrade.A”Jackson Inthink an be an roadgrader

 

[fearsomefour]

Agreed.

The only reason I can see any reason to resign UFA David Edwards is:

a). If DE will sign for an economy 2yr contract. If DE wants more ....bye & good luck. He may want to be given a chance to start @ RT in the NFL.

b). If Coach Carberry determines DE has the ability to be a reserve emergency LT & a reserve LG/RT.

DE has started @ LT for Carberry in 2021 season. So the issues @ LT are serious enough to consider this. DE did start for 3 winning seasons for this team. He is not a strong starting prospect for LG post.

Rams could just take the shotgun approach on aiming for the 2023 OL'er unit. The entire unit is one big question with the exception of the RT cadre. With the pending 4 Compensatory Draft Pick Awards for 2023, it may be the best way to approach this offseason in this OL.

Carberry has a mess on his hands & must find healthy OL'ers to go into the new season. He has had an opportunity to coach an extra large amount of OL'ers coming in & out of the roster. IMO he made some mistakes. His future OL needs to work heavily on the improvement of its run-blocking & finding OL'ers who can make that happen!

Im just wondering about Edwards STILL being out with concussions.
Must have really scrambled his eggs.
This would be a major concern as he has been out for months now.

 

[dieterbrock]

I’m a diehard Packers fan but lots of us are sick of Rodgers playoff performances. It seems like when we’re down by 3-7 points with a minute left he can’t get it done. He is the best regular season QB ever but he has a 12-10 record all times in the playoffs. Trust me there are plenty of us that are ready to move on from him.

How many hail mary's has he made? As I said, he's become a real idiot but how any Packer fan could criticize the dude is beyond me.
Career 100.1 passer rating in post season, 45 td and only 13 INT in 21 games while avg 280 yds per game
You want to talk playoff choker? Start with Brett Favre

 

[fearsomefour]

Maxx Crosby is an elite edge rusher in his prime. No shame in getting beat by people like him.

EDIT: I don't mean you were critiquing Havenstein, Allen. I just wanted to talk about Crosby.

Indeed he is.
I don't really understand McVay refusal to help OT when they are struggling. He won't change his passing game at all (it seems) to help a mismatch up front. A TE or RB out there to help keep Crosby from just running around the edge on Havenstien could have helped him out a lot. Don't have to do it every pass play....just ones where he has to hold the ball for a few ticks.