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[So Ram]

Havenstein? They are locked in to him via cap through next year at least. They won't trade him Sean likes him too much.

Good call Bro, just saying there comes a place & a time.You could have been right.

I’m with you in some cases like OBJ as an example.I was never really a Fan of his & didn’t like how he went after Baker.

Then again couldn’t believe The Rams had a chance to sign him.

Sean Mcvay likes his divas.It FREAKING AMAZES me how The Rams pulled off 2021! Can you still really believe it?

I say that because of all the HOF players.I thought OBJ would have had a chance at the level he was playing at.Even his TD in the Superbowl which according to you could be his last? I think he made the catch when he tore his knee on a crossing pattern?A blur (sucked).Hard play to watch because it could be career ending?
Weedle & what he meant to The Rams.He pumped up all those HOF guys like Whit,Von,Stafford,Ramsey,Kupp.Talk about greatness.You as a ExChargers Fanmust have LOVED seeing Eric Weedle do his thing & walked himself into the HOF & Ending his career with BIG WHIT!
Playing hurt like he did as well is what INSPIRATIONAL MOVIES (moments) are made about.

That all said Sean Mcvay & Les Snead continue to bring in These HOF type players through The Rams door if only for a minute.Collecting COMP PICKS or having them go into retirement.

Baker & WAGS are those MENTOR types that are LEADING The Rams on both sides of the ball to close out 2022!!!! Pretty cool stuff for The Franchise as it grows young men into better people & players.

 

[So Ram]

Back to Rob Havienstien though. He has taken on the role of Big Whit. He is not that GREAT PLAYER,but OLDNOTDEAD yet he served his purpose as a Ram.

He is a LEADER & MENTOR.Sucks under his watch those OFFENSIVE LINE broke down.He still struggles with edge rushers & why having that extra protection of a RB / 12 . Helps cover him up from that. He is one of the better run blockers & why I liked him at RG when Brown was a Ram.

Side track- training camp of him doing quick OL vs DL tight 1 on 1’s. Brown went against AD99 towards the end of the drills(switching to next drill) . AD99 was playing with him. 3 quick times with the same move & AD99 was sort of LOL.(big smile).

Big Rob goes back to the first hardknicks at UCI & Fisher. He was trying to take leadership role then.Even when he was hurt. They had a swim race with another Ram. Just cool memories of watching these guys,but Big Rob has been a solid Ram!!

Is there a reason Mcvay & The Rams like Havienstien?? Yeah he is that role model. He is one of those players that has bought in & comes to work each day . Lunch pale type. Old school walking barefoot in the Wisconsin snow to school.

A reported just asked him about ODay because he was right there making sure nothing happens. And when you see things go down he is always right there.Saw him once thought get a 15yarder & not sure the timing of it(smart?). Those should be coaches pet peeves of knowing when & keeping your head. That suspension would have been BS!!

He asked Hav’s about culture of lineman as far as relationship. Big Rob asked him outside of locker(facilities). The reporter messed up & should have said BOTH inside & out.

I started my first post because of The Big 5 that Whit brought together.They went to dinner together every Saturday before a game.I saw it on the sidelines at Carson stadium against(who else) Chargers. Whit & Sullivan. Goff showed his leadership & came over to Big Whit. Rob & Brown were the young players. Roger Saffold got beat by a Chargers DT & was upset by himself. That leadership was awesome & that group bounded well.
Big Rob is that guy though that is still continuing that tradition that Big Whit started.I just wish the reporter said yes or both because he was opening up for us Ram Fans for the inside 411.

 

[Allen2McVay]

...
You know who will pay most attention to that? The rest of the available QB's who see the Rams as a great place to resurrect their career

Like Sam Darnold?

Before Mayfield was released by Carolina, I posted a couple thoughts regarding Darnold possibly being a fit for the Rams' back-up QB role in 2023. Kind of a re-set button year.

 

[dieterbrock]

Like Sam Darnold?

Before Mayfield was released by Carolina, I posted a couple thoughts regarding Darnold possibly being a fit for the Rams' back-up QB role in 2023. Kind of a re-set button year.

I am not a fan of Darnold, at all. But I have to say, his play as of late makes him a lot more intriguing. But to your point, yes exactly like a Sam Darnold is what I referred to. Baker, unless he falls flat on his face the last 2 weeks, will be in line for a starter gig, where Darnold is looking at backup spots. So why not take the b/u spot that could rejuvenate one's career or worst case scenario make him a head coach candidate lol

 

[oldnotdead]

Before Mayfield was released by Carolina, I posted a couple thoughts regarding Darnold possibly being a fit for the Rams' back-up QB role in 2023. Kind of a re-set button year.

I could easily see that. In fact if Darnold is a UFA and would be the kind of backup that teams would want. I wouldn't be surprised if he was signed if Mayfield moves on and the Rams expect Stafford to play 3 more years (which IMO

That said between the draft and the FAs just how much money will teams be willing to guarantee to a QB that in most of their eyes is unproven? Mayfield isn't an elite QB and may never be one. But he's the kind of tier 2 QB who in the right system with the right team around him can be successful and not cost them $50M for a long time if ever. The strange thing is that both Goff and Mayfield are comparable in many ways. Polar opposites in personalities, but talent wise very similar. The Rams were successful with Goff (never a losing season under McVay) and here we are looking at another equivalent talent. The difference is Baker is a system fit, Jared never was, but more importantly, Goff was the stepchild that McVay inherited, Stafford McVay chose, and IMO Baker will also be McVay's choice.

 

[Merlin]

Been a fan of Darnold since I saw his first game at USC. But have to admit he simply didn't develop the way I expected him to. It's like his balls were cut off somewhere along the lines. Listening to his interviews and shit honestly he's like a gelding. Not sure where that kid went that I recall from his early days.

Thing about Baker is he's much more fiery and combative and you need that in this league to succeed at QB. It takes a long time to see the tricks DCs throw at you and become proficient at overcoming them. You gotta fight and survive coaches not believing in you, and the media throwing blame and pulling you down, that dark side of getting all the credit/blame. Guys who start getting that beat down look, I don't know that you can ever fully overcome that.

So for myself when I look at QBs now that's something I consider to be a requirement. Not that the guy has to be an extrovert, though that does help I think. But he has to have that competitive and fiery nature. If I was a GM charged to pick a QB in a draft that's one of the biggest metrics I'd look for. And for the Rams in terms of finding that backup QB who can give them what Baker is giving them now, assuming he will leave in FA, here's hoping it's someone who possesses that element.

 

[Allen2McVay]

@dieterbrock, @oldnotdead, @Merlin ...

Agree with a lot of what you each posted above. Not that I am a huge Sam Darnold fan. Living in NYC, I have seen much of his pro career. Just trying to think of an up-grade at back-up QB that is also somewhat realistic.

 

[Mojo Ram]

I was thinking that it’s too bad that the Rams only have 1 division win because if we could win out and Seattle loses out (vs is in week 18) we had a chance to finish 2nd in the NFCW.

Not important or relevant, just would’ve been nice to somehow finish 2nd in a bad year like this.

 

[Malibu]

My thoughts the priorities -

Resign - Gay, Powell and Gaines unless anyone of 3 want too much. All can be replaced. Rest can walk.

FA - great LT at the level of Whit - Tunsil is a better Whit. Or sign a big upgrade at LG.

OLB to go with Floyd and Donald must be a huge upgrade again like LT if one exists. 2 essentials to a great year.

I believe it will be easier with our first draft pick to find a really good OLB & LG vs a LT so I would concentrate on LT in FA again if one exists.

I like A Shawn - like to keep him but not at the current price.

Next priority level - We don't need another RB or TE. What we really need is a better #2 corner and better back up QB. Somehow we squeeze OBJ with a full year of rest we will be ready to go.

To be competitive next year we need a more aggressive DC, 2 serious upgrades on the OL and a OlB that is a killer and we will be seriously feared again.

The silver lining in this year was discovering several players that maybe would not have gotten a chance plus we gave invaluable aying time to the younger players.

 

[Malibu]

We're not disagreeing as much as you are only looking thru it as a Rams fan. Bortles is the perfect example of why Mayfield would be nuts to pass up a good deal to be a back up. Ride the bench, dont play and the league forgets about you.
Mayfield is gone, as he should be.
And nobody took a beating like Roethlisberger, Stafford's jersey is clean compared to him. Stafford isnt going anywhere thats why they signed him to a monster deal. One year doesnt make him an injury risk. That just media creation
Good news is that Mayfield showed the Rams that Wolford/Perkins types wont cut it, and they'll upgrade that. Just wont be him

Bortles cost us one million dollars highly doubt Mayfield will play for that there is at least 7-10 openings for starters only 2 coming out from college and maybe only Brady and Carr on the move. Mayfield probably wants 18m to stay and if I was him I would play for way less on a good team like TB just to secure the starting job. If he stays here what can we offer him 5-7m we find a solid back better than what we got for less than that.

 

[Merlin]

I expect the Rams to use FA to address edge. There should be more options than there will be at LT.

That draft pick early round 2 is ideal for adding the LT of the future. Or as ideal as we're gonna get with our business approach. Adding a quality young tackle with good feet and sitting him behind Boom & Jackson on the depth chart feels ideal to me.

But of course any impact player that may slide to that early round 2 spot is fine by me. I'd take an impact player period there and be happy about it, whether it's TE, RB, WR, CB, whatever really. Hopefully though things will align for us.

 

[dieterbrock]

Bortles cost us one million dollars highly doubt Mayfield will play for that there is at least 7-10 openings for starters only 2 coming out from college and maybe only Brady and Carr on the move. Mayfield probably wants 18m to stay and if I was him I would play for way less on a good team like TB just to secure the starting job. If he stays here what can we offer him 5-7m we find a solid back better than what we got for less than that.

Bortles was only in the conversation as an example of a guy who rode the bench for a year without seeing any playing time, and despite the opportunity to be in the McVay system, it surely didnt help him land another gig.
Just another example of why Mayfield wont be back next year

 

[BonifayRam]

Of the names you have mentioned, A'Shawn Robinson, Greg Gaines & Marquis Copeland are potentially heading into free agency, but the question I was answering to was about future debt being pushed into later years. A'Shawn was restructured, so whether he is re-signed or not, the Rams will carry $1.5M of his dead money into the 2023 season.

I have been reviewing all the future millions & millions of debt that this team pushed far into the future for the past season 2021 & 2022 rosters. Some as far as 2026 & 2027.

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[Malibu]

Bortles was only in the conversation as an example of a guy who rode the bench for a year without seeing any playing time, and despite the opportunity to be in the McVay system, it surely didnt help him land another gig.
Just another example of why Mayfield wont be back next year

No I got that. My point was he was a seasoned vet with a ton of starts with way higher upside then Wolford or Perkins who was very inexpensive. My feeling is there will be someone out there similar we can get we will not get Mayfield.

 

[Soul Surfer]

@AvengerRam

While I love a good Counting Crows reference...

The Rams played in two of the most exciting games of the season in December.

...but there's reason to believe maybe next year will be better than the last.

 

[So Ram]

I have been reviewing all the future millions & millions of debt that this team pushed far into the future for the past season 2021 & 2022 rosters. Some as far as 2026 & 2027.

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Troy Hill

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Tyler Higbee

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Do all the contracts count against the cap ?7

 

[Riverumbbq]

Do all the contracts count against the cap ?7

Not only the roster contracts, but any 'dead money' that's carrying over to the 2023 season.
Go to Spotrac to get an individual player assessment for their current contract and/or future dead money which is on the books.

 

[So Ram]

Not only the roster contracts, but any 'dead money' that's carrying over to the 2023 season.
Go to Spotrac to get an individual player assessment for their current contract and/or future dead money which is on the books.

I guess I don’t have to worry about it that much.The Rams do a GREAT job with the salary cap.
How
Much 2021 or 2022 effects The Rams future. I trust

 

[oldnotdead]

FA list I think will be re-signed

UFA:
Mayfield, Gay, Nsekhe, Dixon, Powell, Gaines, Scott

ERFA:
Howard, Gervase, Copeland, Hoecht, Rozeboom

 

[Tano]

I was thinking that it’s too bad that the Rams only have 1 division win because if we could win out and Seattle loses out (vs is in week 18) we had a chance to finish 2nd in the NFCW.

Not important or relevant, just would’ve been nice to somehow finish 2nd in a bad year like this.