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And most teams run Tampa-2 at least some of the time...varies, of course. team like to disguise it, play it inverted with different players in the various zones ... like the CBs playing deep half and a safety dropping into the hole ... stuff like that


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Jared Goff's chance to stick it to the Rams feels more personal than Matthew Stafford's return to Detroit​

Dan Wetzel

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Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 3:26 AM GMT+11·5 min read

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DETROIT — Matthew Stafford was raised in Texas and starred in college at Georgia, but from the day in 2009 when he became the Lions' No. 1 overall draft pick, he was committed to making Detroit home.

His connection with the region was more than philanthropic, though there was plenty of that. Much of it was about attitude. He was present. He gave everything he had to lift a franchise that felt immovable. He was appreciated, even if he couldn’t manage the task. He, his wife, Kelly, and their four daughters became about as much a part of the community as is possible for a pro athlete.

Then, rather than being part of a fourth “rebuild” under a fourth regime, Stafford requested a trade and was shipped to Los Angeles. He remained popular enough that some actually sold “Detroit Rams” T-shirts when he led his new team to a Super Bowl victory.

So, yeah, his return Sunday — leading the Los Angeles Rams into the first home Lions playoff game since the 1993 season and possibly wrecking a dream Detroit season — is a delicious NFL storyline.
“I know it’s going to be rocking there,” Stafford said Sunday. “Haven’t had a playoff game there in about 30 years or whatever it is.”

It’s just not as delicious as the situation for Jared Goff, the man the Rams threw into the deal to get Stafford.

The fact that the early focus of this NFC wild-card game has already morphed into a Stafford-fest sort of says it all.

Goff is forever the background player here, just with a far more personal part to play.
It is Goff, not Stafford, who was deemed expendable by his old team. It is Goff, not Stafford, who had to watch his old franchise win it all without him. It is Goff, not Stafford, who was dumped in the NFL hinterlands to the worst franchise in the sport. Stafford was freed into the SoCal sunshine, per his own request.

Stafford is a made man, playing with house money. He has his Lombardi. He has potential Hall of Fame credentials. He has the respect of two fan bases, not to mention the league as a whole.

If he wins, he builds his legend. If he loses, he carries on. It took a Herculean effort to get the Rams from a 3-6 start into these playoffs. Little more is expected. Stafford is the dashing millionaire returning to the high school reunion.

“Fun for me on a personal level,” he said.
DETROIT, MICHIGAN - JANUARY 07: Jared Goff #16 of the Detroit Lions runs to the field before the game against the Minnesota Vikings at Ford Field on January 07, 2024 in Detroit, Michigan. (Photo by Nic Antaya/Getty Images)

Jared Goff knows Lions fans are starving for a playoff win. The Detroit quarterback is just as hungry for postseason success, particularly against his former team. (Photo by Nic Antaya/Getty Images)

Now, it is Goff who is still trying to prove himself, at least beyond Metro Detroit, where Lions fans have come to embrace Stafford’s replacement as much as they did Stafford himself. It is Goff who carries the weight of expectations from long-suffering Lions fans, who see this as the season they finally win a postseason game.

On the basis of an 8-2 finish to the 2022 season, this was the most anticipated Lions campaign in a generation. Detroit delivered, going 12-5 and winning its first NFC North title. It now seeks its first playoff victory since the 1991 season and just its second since 1957. (Stafford went 0-3 in road wild-card appearances during his tenure.)

To flame out during wild-card weekend in what promises to be a raucous scene would be a massive disappointment.

Football isn’t a QB vs. QB sport, of course, which is why much of this is expected to be understandably downplayed by the participants.

“I mean, I understand it’s one of these stories,” Lions head coach Dan Campbell said Monday. “But Goff knows … we win as a team. Man, this is about the Lions versus the Rams, and we win with three phases here, and he’s a huge part of that. All he’s got to do is his part, and he knows that.”

Still, a big reason for Detroit’s success is Goff. He arrived in Detroit facing plenty of doubts and an uncertain future. For a lifelong Californian, there were no guarantees.

In 2021, his first season in Detroit, the team limped to a 3-13-1 record. In 2022, it started 1-6, and it was reasonable to assume the Lions were headed to another high draft pick that could replace Goff.

Goff never rattled, though, just as he never took the reassignment to the Lions as a demotion or a trip to purgatory. He poured himself into improvement and leadership. And even amid the losses, he embraced Detroit, starting his JG16 Foundation to aid local education initiatives, scholarships and food drives. In 2022, he became a nominee for Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year.

And then the victories came. He’s 20-7 since Week 9 of the 2022 season. He doesn’t have the natural ability of Stafford — few do — but the record speaks for itself. He has forever seemed unfazed by his career path. When asked last season if he wanted to lash out at his now silent critics, he just shrugged.

“What would I lash out about?” he asked.

It’s a great story. The Lions are a great story. But the story isn’t just getting to the playoffs or hosting a game. It’s about winning one. And then proceeding from there.

For Jared Goff to do that, to do what Matthew Stafford never could in Detroit, requires him to go through his old team and beat the man they thought could do for them what he couldn’t.

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Not sure if posted yet.

Some good matchup datapoints.

Lions Pass defense has been terrible as of late, among other things. 2023 96.4 rate allowed to WR's (24th)

Rams offense 2023 - 34 sacks given up (T6th). Hutchinson - 5 sacks in last 2 games.

Lions rush defense - Held RB's to 3.5 YPC (3rd). Kyren 95.3 YPG (1st). Rams 7-1 when Kyren rushes for 80+


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60rlza_Z10w
 
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On the chess match side of things I think when you total up McVay vs Glenn and Johnson vs Morris the Rams have the edge. Also they know Goff very well, and I expect Morris will be cooking up some fun and games to make him process after that play action.

Problem of course is that Detroit OL vs our weak rush. And our secondary is going to need some guys to step up so I am hoping we get that from a couple guys. Durant has been pushing for playing time which has been nice to see, and Yeast might be making a late run on the heels of that outing he had in SF. We've been really sluggish in that pairing and it's clear they're gonna keep Lake in the slot role so we definitely need a safety to step up. And if Durant can step up on the outside just enough to limit the explosives that will help a lot.

Obviously the roster quality is in Detroit's favor. They're better than us on both sides I think. And of course on ST we don't have 11 guys on one sheet of music. But whatever happens I think the Rams are about to give them all they can handle.
 

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IMO it is more personal for Goff with good reason. McVay sabotaged him implying he couldn't trust him to read defenses. Goff should see the trade for what it was. For Goff it was a career saver, proving McVay wrong about him for being petty about his not being his QB. Had McVay given him the support he needed and modified the offense to what it is today Goff would have been just fine here in LA.

IMO it will always be a win win for both teams. Stafford got an inordinate amount of blame for the Lion's failings even though it had more to do with problems with the GM and HCs. Both Matt and Jared have been given the opportunity to prove themselves and they have.

Could things been handled better with Goff, absolutely. But it's all moot at this point 3 years removed. Both teams are completely different now.

The crucial difference between the Lions and the Rams offense is the Rams are legitimately 4 deep at WR, with a legitimate OL, and a solid starting RB. The Ram DL is better with Donald, Turner and Young. The secondary for both teams is at times boom/bust but I give the Lions the edge there by virtue of slightly better depth.

The Lion's OC Ben Johnson is absolutely top tier. They will likely lose him next year as he's high on everyones wish list. He should get as huge amount of credit for the development of Goff.

This is going to be a good game.
 

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The Rams...

1. Gave up significant assets to trade up and select Jared Goff;
2. Built a team around him that went to a Super Bowl;
3. Gave him a big second contract before the expiration of his rookie deal; and
4. Traded him to a team where he had the opportunity to immediately become the starter.

Yeah, he has a compelling reason to "stick it" to the Rams. :eyeroll:

I don't know if Goff himself feels that way, or if its just fodder for the talking heads. Clearly, though, if the worst thing that ever happens to Goff is being traded for Matthew Stafford, he will have lived a pretty charmed life.