Les Snead The best ever ?

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He’s certainly the most daring!

True - not much more to add to that.He has made so many unbelievable,interesting,unforeseen, & ballezy move.
 

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Was Brady, Manning or Brees considered Elite after their 4th full season in the NFL. The answer is a resounding No.

Is Stafford after 12 years considered elite? lol, NO! Stafford had his first 100 QB rating at year 11. Goff had two by his second year.

It's basically trading 9 premium picks for a QB that has fully matured his talents vs a raw QB that has shown great potential but still has lots to improve. When you have Donald and Ramsey playing at their peak it makes sense to bring in the QB that has the higher efficiency now, but its one hell of a dump of future potential in picks and player.

Haha So you proclaimed Goff elite because he had 2 QB ratings over a 100?


So was trading 2 1sts and a second a mistake for Ramsey because of the potential talent we let pass?
 

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Not in the least. Its a counter to demonstrating how its absurd to cherry pick stats and not consider team situations for both players to prove a point. @TexasRam makes no critical analysis of either player. He just sites basic stats like QBR. He also doesn't consider defenses Online play, quality of coaching. So if anything he's got the Straw man going on. You just support him because you want him to be right I guess.

I don't get the logic at this point. Some people would rather Snead be wrong, Stafford suck, the Rams suck, just to be right about the trade. By now I would think they'd accept it, try to understand it and hope it works out.
 

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Not in the least. Its a counter to demonstrating how its absurd to cherry pick stats and not consider team situations for both players to prove a point. @TexasRam makes no critical analysis of either player. He just sites basic stats like QBR. He also doesn't consider defenses Online play, quality of coaching. So if anything he's got the Straw man going on. You just support him because you want him to be right I guess.

I don't get the logic at this point. Some people would rather Snead be wrong, Stafford suck, the Rams suck, just to be right about the trade. By now I would think they'd accept it, try to understand it and hope it works out.

I would hope no one here feels that way. Its no fun to root against your team in the hopes they can say I told you so. I was in Goff's corner all the way up to the day they announced the trade. Now Goff means nothing to me. Its all about Stafford. I'm in Stafford's corner now.

As far as the idea that Snead mortgaged the future to win now, I do recall people saying that 3 years ago. And we're still a legit contender for the foreseeable future. I'm pretty sure a lot of teams would love to be in our shoes.
 

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I would hope no one here feels that way. Its no fun to root against your team in the hopes they can say I told you so. I was in Goff's corner all the way up to the day they announced the trade. Now Goff means nothing to me. Its all about Stafford. I'm in Stafford's corner now.

As far as the idea that Snead mortgaged the future to win now, I do recall people saying that 3 years ago. And we're still a legit contender for the foreseeable future. I'm pretty sure a lot of teams would love to be in our shoes.
I was not 100% behind the trade, but I hope Stafford throws for 45TDs.

Now, I would also like to see Goff do well, and maybe let McVay know that he did fail to give Goff a legit center and deep threat, and maybe that grounds him a bit going forward, but I digress.
 

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I would hope no one here feels that way. Its no fun to root against your team in the hopes they can say I told you so. I was in Goff's corner all the way up to the day they announced the trade. Now Goff means nothing to me. Its all about Stafford. I'm in Stafford's corner now.

As far as the idea that Snead mortgaged the future to win now, I do recall people saying that 3 years ago. And we're still a legit contender for the foreseeable future. I'm pretty sure a lot of teams would love to be in our shoes.
Not in my corner anymore? Not even when I grew a porn 'stache just for you? ~ Jared "Holmes" Goff
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Not in my corner anymore? Not even when I grew a porn 'stache just for you? ~ Jared "Holmes" Goff
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Wow - is that real. My thoughts exactly.
That look says- what a perv. Creepy.All he needs now is a long trench coat & candy. Then his ready for October

What was the trade exactly for the record ? A 3rd or 2 1’s & a 3rd. ?
 

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Les without any 1st rd picks again.Thanks D. Williams.

The Rams will look at the depth of the draft & then circle player of needs.It helps eliminate the mistakes.
I don’t even know what most players look like this year.SCOUTING has been limited.I’m sure The Rams have players later in the draft they have graded higher than other teams.
I also think that is why you get that trade back. —Fisher I believe wanted certain positions & certain players.I don’t agree with them as much.Les Snead finds players.He identifies them & he sells them to Mcvay. I’m sure Mcvay puts his stamp on it going into the say 2021 draft.
If you had ever heard More(Les) in his quotes & interviews when he was in St.Louis. He use to say guess what.
Well I guess Mcvay is a LOT better All/Around HC than Jeff Fisher ever was.I also think he is a better evaluator.. - Joyner is a good example & that DB that Mcvay started & then just flat out cut one day ? EJ Gaines I believe was in that same draft ? Maybe even Tavon.
My point is there is a lot of pieces to the puzzle.Les Snead is a Mad Scientist type.He knows the value of the board.He has all this weird & different facts.Where players were born & there connections.
Sean Mcvay has Big Balls & he trust Les Snead & all The Rams staff.He really is a team guy.He has his coaches all getting into there groups.This week before the draft will add more info that goes into Les Sneads calculations.
 

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Dude, The way I S.P.E.L.L. It out might not be right. The Truth is if you look back at 2019 & 2020 you can see what the perspective we’re going into each season.
I can TELL(post) you my thoughts & ways I think a player should have been & suprised me.I have views on all Ram players.The ones I don’t have I take an Educated guess.
Imo your a passionate Rams Fan that knows this team well.I agree with you on a lot of things,others not so much.An example is Bryce Hopkins.Here is a solid kid coming out of the 2020 draft.Les Snead see’s value.Has Bryce Hopkins rated high & had high hopes for him as a GM.2020 there was NO PRESEASON & Hopkins didn’t get experience he might have.

Anyway I can go on forever.I believe I have away of breaking downs players.Last season more than ever I would see one player at a Excellent level & then the next game want him off the team.Others I see potential & not given the chance to play.Missing Reps he should have had.As a Fan we only have so much info as well.


-Darius Williams is a guy with a 1st rd tag.However The NFL & The Rams slice a UDFA is a process through them & the Players association.In the MLB it’s different.Ohtani is another different case.
In 2023 The Rams might get a 3rd rd comp pick for Darius Williams?
As of right now he has first rd value to The Rams.He Will get paid what in 2021? Thanks Darius Williams for being such an OUTSTANDING CB for The Rams in 2020.I wonder what first round draft picks are going to get paid
for playing only a 1/2 A SEASON of College Football?
Bryce Hopkins thanks for being a Comp Pick ? Your 2020 season was CRAP with Zero catch’s.Your hard work this offseason might not payoff.Who knows maybe Sean Mcvay won’t play you & put you in The Starting Lineup like Brian Allen & Joesph Noteboom so you don’t get hurt.I know LES SNEAD never had the vision of Gerald Everett going to The Sea Hags with Waldron & Dickerson who coached & mentored you.Should you what being a UNDERRATED TE looks like.I’m sure the new Passing Coordinator Phillips & QB
will not know your skill levels when The Rams open up the offense?
BTW- Kromer never brought much to the TE group & is not a good teacher ?
Learning a whole NFL season is not going to be of benefit.Knowledge & technique doesn’t mean anything.

—Just to be clear thanks Les Snead
-I’ll be watching the Dog Pound with
JJ & Hill who just signed Clowny.
SD- & Staley defense will look more like The Rams 2020 version vs the 2021. —Add vision of 2020 Lewis & Jefferson of The Future Rams SuperBowls ?
 

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I don’t know if this was brought in here.I know Les has a long ways to go to be the best,but in Rams history he is right there.Some growing pains. The 2018 draft with Sean Mcvay needs to close out there Ram careers strong
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Well WOW — trading with the 9ers ? That is a Cardinal rule. Just watching the Cowboys & Eagles last night.

Giving the 9ers 30 plus points in value chart . Trey Sermon is forever going to be a pick Ram Fans will reflect back on for at least the next 5 years!!! Will see what The Rams get in return, but right now it’s a big scar.
 

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I don’t have a problem with trading draft picks in the division - but you need to win the trade.
 

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Snead was desperate to trade back. He came into this draft with the mindset of trading back. You could see he wanted to trade back at #57 as the Rams used the entire clock. Problem was so many teams had traded up at that point there seemed to be no dance partners.