Importance of Health and Continuity on the O-Line

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The problem with Boom is building the roster where you are relying on him is not smart. Because you're rolling the dice on enduring another season like this one if he falls out. Jackson I was feeling real good about, up until the blood clots. And blood clots at his age... Not good.

So I can't believe you guys are considering those two plus Nsekhe as an answer. Has this season taught you nothing. LT is not a smart position to fuck with.
 

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I don't understand your math. Either I'm completely missing something, which has happened! Or your miscalculating.

They save 8.5 million dollars off of Noteboom's 23 contract if they cut him post June 1st. That's 8.5 million to spend elsewhere.

What am I missing?

I'm using your figures. If there is $7.M in dead money remaining after an $8.5M post June cut, that only leaves $1.5M for spending elsewhere. Are you saying there is no longer any dead money after the cut ?
 

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I'm using your figures. If there is $7.M in dead money remaining after an $8.5M post June cut, that only leaves $1.5M for spending elsewhere.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear... They free up 8.5 million dollars. There's 7 million dead. His cap hit was 15.
 

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The problem with Boom is building the roster where you are relying on him is not smart. Because you're rolling the dice on enduring another season like this one if he falls out. Jackson I was feeling real good about, up until the blood clots. And blood clots at his age... Not good.

So I can't believe you guys are considering those two plus Nsekhe as an answer. Has this season taught you nothing. LT is not a smart position to fuck with.
Blood clots is a medical thing and it's also something with a fairly wide variety of outcomes, from what I've read. I'm certainly no expert or giving some kind of diagnosis. I'm saying if *their* doctors believe it's something that can be managed, I'm okay with it.

I'm not opposed to drafting a real LT prospect if there's one of appropriate value when they draft in the second round.

I don't think, with where they're at in their team build, that they can spend a future first and their highest pick in this draft on a left tackle.

But, they may have to if Alaric Jackson's health doesn't make them feel comfortable.
 

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I included Jackson as my starter so once again @So Ram you are preaching to the choir.

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AMEN Brother - IMO he solves RG next to Havienstien.He protects the stunts or inside rush & gives good support to the center.If he does more leg work to get a better push is what The Rams need.
He can swing to LT if Noteboom or another LT goes down in game.You make good calls on certain draft picks? I guess??
The Offensive Line should have been addressed at least 1 to 2 seasons before this 2022 season.Bobby Evans needed to go in 2021 after the preseason. Why Bobby Evans was going to be The Rams Starting RG is BEYOND ME? Austin Corbett at Center ?
Who The F’. ‘’ ever thought that was going to work. -Coach Brian Allen you ate a little Crow for,but now he is The Rams answer in 2022? Really? I will say there was good value,but Shelton was basically the Last Lineman Standing inside.He was DEPTH at C/G.

Why when Austin Corbett left as a Free Agent didn’t The Rams bring in a Solid Guard Replacement?

Hard call I understand after 2021 & there was a lot of nice looking(potential)pieces to scrap together. It’s like that again after 2022 & Mcvay got all excited about Bruss,but that is because he knows how BAD Guard hasn’t been addressed.
Like I said I could be wrong,but as a Long time Poster. That is how I see A’Jackson fitting in. In fact he could be a backup RG/LT? The Rams need a guard.
—Noteboom is a totally different story. A’Jackson though is not a pencil in LT game in game out.Inside he covered up & has the size & tools to be very successful.

My main reason I like him inside,especially RG is he looks very confident & comfortable.Didn’t make many mistakes & has a lot of growth.
Rob Havenstien IMO played a lot better next to him & his confidence has taken a turn to the worst.

This season has been tough.I’m crazy enough to think A J Arcuri has a place with The Rams as much as Bruss.I don’t know why but Bruss never impressed me.
I could even see David Edwards comeback. My hope was to see him play LT instead of Jackson if(when) Noteboom went down.
—Projecting this is not easy & The Rams have there hands full.
 

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I’m going to add some Poster told me Malcom Brown had as good of a chance to be on The Rams & he didn’t mean much to the team.
I say excuse me. Where is D. Henderson? Mcvay wants good locker room players & players that want to be Rams.
Malcom MESSED up on Pass Pro that finished any chance for The Rams to win. Good learning experience (lol).
Cam Akers needs to take PRIDE in Pass Blocking & Man Up!!! Hopefully having Malcom Brown in that RB room helps for both Cam &’Williams.

Having Ben Sko playing hurt sort of IMO messed Baker Mayfield up a couple times because he seemed afraid to let loose & went to another WR?

Either way Bobby Trees & Cooper Kupp have been 2 of the best BLOCKING WR in The NFL. Without an extra TE really hasn’t helped The Offensive Line,or made it easy for Mcvay to open up the play book as much ? Maybe not ? It’s not just the O’Line that has struggled on offense.

I’ll keep my brother Raheem out of this,but then again I do wonder his future. I wish him & The Rams the best. He still is a class act & looks out for the best if his players.
 

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I have trouble understanding members who wouldn't include Noteboom, forgetting his success when stepping in for Whitworth in past seasons. Noteboom's CAP hit alone should answer your question, and giving him an opportunity to reclaim his position, even with a rough 2022, if we can rehabilitate his career standing then not only are we stronger for it, but his potential trade value for 2024 is that much more increased. We gave Evans 3 years to improve his play, does Noteboom get none ? Even if Noteboom fails us again, we still have Jackson, Nsekhe & a probable no later than mid-round draft selection to pick up the slack.

As for Alaric Jackson's recovery, I'll believe in his recovery until someone makes it official that he won't.

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I believe there is ZERO chance the Rams would move away from including Joe Noteboom in their future plans for the 2023 OL unit unless the Rams get a trade. The best performances @ LT in our Championship 2021 season was by JN. Other prospects for the Rams starting LT are few to none at this point when the 2023 TC begins.

JN's Professional NFL Resume:
2018-
Top draft pick JN was assigned Back-Up position & remained healthy for the entire season. In his rookie season, JN only got 78 snaps with the offense.

2019-Coach Kromer awarded JN a starting position. JN did not finish his 5th start. JN suffered a torn ACL and MCL on October 15, 2019, & placed on season-ending Injured Reserve. JN has reconstructive knee surgery.

2020- JN awarded a starting OL position. After starting 3 gms on September 24, 2020 JN suffered a calf injury & placed on Injured Reserve. He was activated on November 14, 2020, as a Reserve OL. JN was injured again & out for the Packer's 1/16/2021 playoff gm.

2021- JN assigned as Back-Up OL'er. As a Back up he started 2 regular-season gms. JN was placed on the Reserve/COVID-19 list on Dec. 18, 2021. JN got in 173 snaps during the regular season with the offense. During the NFC Championship gm JN injured his chest. JN was placed on season-ending IR missing the Super Bowl. JN only took a total of 15.9 % of the snaps with the regular offense in 2021.

2022- JN replaced Whitworth as a starter. He started 6 gms & suffered a torn Achilles & placed season-ending Injured Reserve.

Pro's on JN's behalf:
*JN's contract would mandate him remaining part of the team's OL in 2023.

* JN has proven to be an excellent Back-Up LT. The Rams roster will need a reserve veteran LT even if it's costly.

* JN has a history of outstanding play coming off the bench from the Back-Up LT position.

Con's against planning for JN to be the starting LT.
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JN has been in the NFL for 5 years during this time he has been on the injured reserve Four times.

* JN's serious 2022 injury & surgery place his availability early in the 2023 season doubtful.

* JN has yet to play over a half seasons worth of snaps.

* JN has never finished more than 5 games as a starter.

Conclusion
The evidence above indicates JN has a very good history as a Back-Up LT. Facts show that the Rams previous template for JN as the Back-Up LT worked out positively for the team with no negative events. Planning for JN to be a Back-Up LT provides him a good opportunity to reclaim a starting position. The best decision for both JN & Rams is to scheme that when he returns to full health prepare JN to fill the #6th Reserve OL position.
 
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I believe there is ZERO chance the Rams would move away from including Joe Noteboom in their future plans for the 2023 OL unit. The best performances @ LT in our Championship 2021 season was by JN. Other prospects for the Rams starting LT are few to none at this point when the 2023 TC begins.

JN's Professional NFL Resume:
2018-
Top draft pick JN was assigned Back-Up position & remained healthy for the entire season. In his rookie season, JN only got 78 snaps with the offense.

2019-Coach Kromer awarded JN a starting position. JN did not finish his 5th start. JN suffered a torn ACL and MCL on October 15, 2019, & placed on season-ending Injured Reserve. JN has reconstructive knee surgery.

2020- JN awarded a starting OL position. After starting 3 gms on September 24, 2020 JN suffered a calf injury & placed on Injured Reserve. He was activated on November 14, 2020, as a Reserve OL. JN was injured again & out for the Packer's 1/16/2021 playoff gm.

2021- JN assigned as Back-Up OL'er. As a Back up he started 2 regular-season gms. JN was placed on the Reserve/COVID-19 list on Dec. 18, 2021. JN got in 173 snaps during the regular season with the offense. During the NFC Championship gm JN injured his chest. JN was placed on season-ending IR missing the Super Bowl. JN only took a total of 15.9 % of the snaps with the regular offense in 2021.

2022- JN replaced Whitworth as a starter. He started 6 gms & suffered a torn Achilles & placed season-ending Injured Reserve.

Pro's on JN's behalf:
*JN's contract would mandate him remaining part of the team's OL in 2023.

* JN has proven to be an excellent Back-Up LT. The Rams roster will need a reserve veteran LT even if it's costly.

* JN has a history of outstanding play coming off the bench from the Back-Up LT position.

Con's against planning for JN to be the starting LT.
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JN has been in the NFL for 5 years during this time he has been on the injured reserve Four times.

* JN's serious 2022 injury & surgery place his availability early in the 2023 season doubtful.

* JN has yet to play over a half seasons worth of snaps.

* JN has never finished more than 5 games as a starter.

Conclusion
The evidence above indicates JN has a very good history as a Back-Up LT. Facts show that the Rams previous template for JN as the Back-Up LT worked out positively for the team with no negative events. Planning for JN to be a Back-Up LT provides him a good opportunity to reclaim a starting position. The best decision for both JN & Rams is to scheme that when he returns to full health prepare JN to fill the #6th Reserve OL position.
You don’t plan to pay a reserve OL 15 million. Nope.
 

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Just watch Dickerson at LG he was my choice. Talk about bringing value to the offensive line.He just over powers DT’s De’s & Albee’s. He even get to the DB’s
 

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I think its very possible we trade down from our first 2nd round pick (unless we see a difference maker there) to pick up more picks. Hopefully we go after 2 lineman (preferably a center and guard or tackle). We need to build that depth and promote competition there. We have 2 many unknown health issues to simply rely on running our line group back without any additions. I do like the route of going after the top center or a top guard with our 1st pick unless we pull off some magic during free agency. If we got what we deem we need line wise in FA, I can see either an edge or someone like Jahmyr Gibbs if he falls being an option. Regardless of what the Rams decide to do, it'll definitely be interesting to see what path they take in revamping the roster.
 
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That whoever played Left Guard this year for the Los Angeles Rams, could not block.

LOL That would be Skura whom I said before he even played he was a scrub. Some here apparently don't watch the OL. Aboushi is better but not by much. if they are going to keep either of the two it would be him. Aboushi is on par with Edwards who isn't a starting quality player at least at OG.

Noteboom and Jackson are starting quality players with all due respect to those who don't believe it. Noteboom was playing hurt before he went on IR because of their lack of depth. Jackson IMO should start at LG (he showed he can play OG) until they move on from Havenstein who proved he's not as good as PFF claims. I've been saying for a long long time he's got slow feet and every speed edge will be lining up at wide nine on his side.

Re: Jackson's blood clot issues, are normally treatable with meds.

Center is the most difficult position to play on the OL. Even if they draft one he would most likely need to redshirt a year to learn the nuances of calling NFL protections. Brewer has yet to be seriously tested but he looks like he's a bit tall for an OG unless like Jackson he can play low in practices and preseasons he didn't show he could.

Nsekhe looks like he earned a spot as a swing OT (i.e. not the best but certainly a serviceable backup). The jury is still out on Thomas. I'm curious why they aren't giving him game experience. With Thomas and Brewer on the roster, why not give Havenstein a break and start one of them? Maybe they have better skates and can at least get in front of the edge.

I think there is a good chance Allen gets one more year to show he can at least be a backup to Shelton.

I see Bruss starting at RG at least in September.

McVay also didn't make it easier on his OTs with those deep QB drops. With better play as QB Stafford can shorten up the drops.

Regardless of who is starting where, if the OL can just stay healthy, they have the makings of a decent OL at least as good as last year's and perhaps a bit better. It's why I don't see them going crazy and using their 2nd or 3rd round pick in the draft. If Bruss can play well that will go a long way in solving some of the problems.
 
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Nsekhe is too old, Noteboom can;t stay healthy, Anchrum is better than Shelton, (who is too small), Brewer is better than Edwards, Allens knee is shot, Jackson's blood clots are treatable.

2023 starting OL:

LT Jackson
LG Brewer
C Not on roster yet, preferably someone with size
RG Anchrum
RT Havenstien

This lineup has some size, and I want them to find a monster OC, doesn;t need to be smart and do line calls, Staford can do it.

(this is a 12 pack post)
 

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A lot of us liked Landon Dickerson but he was drafted 20 picks before the Rams grabbed Tutu.

Very True True(exactly) - there are certain players worth trading up for is all.
In one way I’m glad Detroit lost today.I guess when Humpries fell to The Rams is why it hurts so much.
—Franchise players are who make teams great.I’ve always been a big fan of trading back because of value. Plus risk vs reward.
—Greg Robinson & Tavon Austin we’re players that you trade back for & or don’t trade up for.

—Right Now I can’t tell you squat about any draft picks this season.Last season was basically a crap shot compared to 2020(2019) season.
 

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Nsekhe is too old, Noteboom can;t stay healthy, Anchrum is better than Shelton, (who is too small), Brewer is better than Edwards, Allens knee is shot, Jackson's blood clots are treatable.

2023 starting OL:

LT Jackson
LG Brewer
C Not on roster yet, preferably someone with size
RG Anchrum
RT Havenstien

This lineup has some size, and I want them to find a monster OC, doesn;t need to be smart and do line calls, Staford can do it.

(this is a 12 pack post)
I’ll blame the brew for the Bruss oversight.
 

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Did Sunday's game just provide some heavy evidence of this thread? Just 2 more games to find out.


RT-Havenstein 30 yrs started 15 gms this season
OC-Shelton 27 yrs started 11 gms this season
LT- Nsekhe 37 yrs old started 6 gms and played in 8 gms
LG-Skura 29 yrs old started 6 gms and played in 7 gms
RG-Aboushi 31 yrs old started 4 gms finished 3 others & played in 13 gms

Nsekhe, Skura & Aboushi are all UFA's in March of 2023. Might be a good idea to resign all 3 veterans draft 3 healthy fresh OL'ers & mix them with the youngins to have the perfect blending 2023 OL unit. :bueller:
 
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It's a shame Nsekhe is 37. He's improved a lot. Also I like Shelton at center. Seems like every time he plays the pivot we get a good run game but that may be my impaired memory. He definitely is very quick sealing guys off.
 

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Did Sunday's game just provide some heavy evidence of this thread? 3 more games to find out.


RT-Havenstein 30 yrs started 15 gms this season
OC-Shelton 27 yrs started 11 gms this season
LT- Nsekhe 37 yrs old started 6 gms and played in 8 gms
LG-Skura 29 yrs old started 6 gms and played in 7 gms
RG-Aboushi 31 yrs old started 4 gms finished 3 others & played in 13 gms

Nsekhe, Skura & Aboushi are all UFA's in March of 2023. Might be a good idea to resign all 3 veterans draft 3 healthy fresh OL'ers & mix them with the youngins to have the perfect blending 2023 OL unit. :bueller:

Yeah Bonify’d- what gave you been drinking? I don’t know
all that much more than last week though.There is so much more than goes into than the OFFENSE LINE itself .

BTW - there is the Chargers & Seahawks to go before The End of the 2022 season. A quick happy ending.