Goff vs Wentz. Will it be flexed?

[OldSchool]

Oh, so it's his Florida record that's got your panties in a bunch...
He was 8-4 as a freshman.....11-1 as a sophomore....10-2 as a Junior....11-2 as a senior....

The discussion and particular topic was on winning.....

Do you see a winner now, genius?

Haha
A Tennessee coach that goes 10-2 and loses to Florida and his bowl game is going to lose his job. He's an unemployed winner.

 

[dieterbrock]

Best TE in the game...Who ever called Zach Ertz that before the season? Who made him relevant?

Among the best? Many people. Who made him relevant? Not sure, Sanchez? Foles? Sam Bradford??
Goff has the talent around him, no doubt. What he doesnt have is the playing time that Wentz has. Let things be equal before making direct comparison.
Wentz is better right now. No doubt

 

[LACHAMP46]

A Tennessee coach that goes 10-2 and loses to Florida and his bowl game is going to lose his job. He's an unemployed winner.

High standards at Tennessee....I like it....

Hell, imagine if he never beat Georgia, So. Carolina, Alabama and Auburn....probably wouldn't be called a winner at all, huh?

Who made him relevant? Not sure, Sanchez? Foles? Sam Bradford??

Wentz.....Bradford did get him started...but Wentz made/is making Zach Ertz, a guy I liked in the draft, relevant.

2 years in the league for both...if ours still needs training wheels, who's fault is that?

Many pros will say, the most improvement in pro players is from the 1st to 2nd year...

 

[SteveBrown]

If anybody thinks Goff is "below avg", look around the NFL...He's certainly not near elite at this point, but he is certainly not below avg...

Yes, our course, I was joking. it was a riff on another post.

 

[dieterbrock]

Wentz.....Bradford did get him started...but Wentz made/is making Zach Ertz, a guy I liked in the draft, relevant.

2 years in the league for both...if ours still needs training wheels, who's fault is that?

Many pros will say, the most improvement in pro players is from the 1st to 2nd year...

Come on man. Goff has only started 14 games, his numbers are ahead of Wentz thru his first 14. You can dismiss a lot but no QB was gonna flourish under Fisher and that disaster of an offense. And still thru 14, he would be ahead despite that. Of course right now Wentz is playing better, though Goff is playing damn good.
As for Ertz, Wentz is not "making him" that is silly talk. He was a beast from his 2nd season on, but Celek was the main TE. If anyone made him, it was Bradford. Now he's full time starter, in his prime, and Celek is the one getting scraps.
Goff has catching up to do, no doubt. Wentz is fortunate he didnt have the dead weight to carry that Goff did

 

[OldSchool]

who is this stud running back? who was he before the season? when was he drafted???

Best TE in the game...Who ever called Zach Ertz that before the season? Who made him relevant?

I am curious...you should know me...you always get into these....discussions...and always finish with...I'm outta this....

why even get in it??

Stud running back? The guy that led the NFL in touch downs last year and is averaging 5 ypc and doesn't fumble?

Zach Ertz has been one of the best TE in the game for years.

I'm bailing on this thread because I know me. The double standards and inconsistent application of those standards has gotten silly. I know if I keep going in this thread I'm gonna say something that pisses you off and that's the last thing I want.

Jared Goff is our teams QB and he's good and getting better. I just hope Rams fans enjoy him as much as I do.

 

[PhillyRam]

All I can say is that I hope Wentz QB play = Greg Robinson's OL play, when the Rams play him in reg season and maybe the playoffs.

 

[Zaphod]

I don’t know Den. There is two sides to this story and i think both are very plausible. This side you posted that Goff was Fishers boy and that Goff was forced on Fisher which i think is slightly more likely with all things considered due to the actions.

Fisher tanked Goff’s first season and there is no debate in that. Evidence of that is his lack of snaps in the offseason/TC. He never was coached, groomed, or guided much. Neither did they get a QB coach worth a crap for him.

Now he could of been doing it to get another year but you don’t do that with a QB you like.

I think Fisher being the egotistical stubborn ass he was didn’t want to help him his first year due to not wanting Goff.

There was more than a few stories surrounding this topic and as they say where there is smoke there is fire.

That was exactly my train of thought as well.

Not saying it was a Vince Young situation or even close, but the stubbornness is real whatever else anyone postulates.

 

[RhodyRams]

Flexible Scheduling
Allows teams to play their way onto the Sunday night schedule

In 2006 the NFL implemented a primetime "flexible scheduling" element on Sundays in Weeks 10-15 and in Week 17. In 2014 that was extended so that games between Weeks 5 and 17 could be affected by flex scheduling. However, only two games may be flexed into Sunday Night between Week 5 and 10.

Flexible scheduling ensured quality matchups on Sunday night in those weeks and gave surprise teams a chance to play their way onto primetime. The NBC Sunday night time slot for "flex" weeks lists the game tentatively scheduled for Sunday night.

Only Sunday afternoon games are eligible to be moved to Sunday night, in which case the tentatively scheduled Sunday night game will be moved to an afternoon start time. Flexible scheduling will not be applied to games airing on Thursday, Saturday or Monday nights.

Just as the six major college football conferences have done for many years, the NFL has the flexibility to move the start times of games on Sundays, using a 12-day notice format.

For example, a game scheduled for a Sunday could move from a 1:00 p.m. ET kickoff to an 8:15 p.m. start, but the change would be made and announced no later than the prior Tuesday, 12 days prior. Sunday afternoon games, as in the past, can still be moved between 1:00 and 4:05 or 4:25 p.m. ET.

In Week 17, in order to ensure a Sunday night game with playoff implications, the decision to move the start time may be made on six days notice.

NFL Flexible Scheduling 101

• Begins Sunday of Week 5
• In effect during Weeks 5-17
• Up to 2 games may be flexed into Sunday Night between Weeks 5-10
• Only Sunday afternoon games are subject to being moved into the Sunday night window.
• The game that has been tentatively scheduled for Sunday night during flex weeks will be listed at 8:15 p.m. ET.
• The majority of games on Sundays will be listed at 1:00 p.m. ET during flex weeks except for games played in Pacific or Mountain Time zones which will be listed at 4:05 or 4:15 p.m. ET.
• No impact on Thursday, Saturday or Monday night games.
• The NFL will decide (after consultation with CBS, FOX, NBC) and announce as early as possible the game being played at 8:15 p.m. ET. The announcement will come no later than 12 days prior to the game. The NFL may also announce games moving to 4:05 p.m. ET and 4:25 p.m. ET.
• Week 17 start time changes could be decided on 6 days notice to ensure a game with playoff implications.
• The NBC Sunday night time slot in "flex" weeks will list the game that has been tentatively scheduled for Sunday night.
• Fans and ticket holders must be aware that NFL games in flex weeks are subject to change 12 days in advance (6 days in Week 17) and should plan accordingly.
• NFL schedules all games.
• Teams will be informed as soon as they are no longer under consideration or eligible for a move to Sunday night.

 

[LACHAMP46]

Stud running back? The guy that led the NFL in touch downs last year and is averaging 5 ypc and doesn't fumble?

Zach Ertz has been one of the best TE in the game for years.

I'm bailing on this thread because I know me.

You can't piss me off....irritate, maybe...:rant:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2017.htm
First Zack....I actually like Zack....not a bad player at all....5 year player...First 2 years, he combined for...94 catches...about 1171 yards...not a bad start...his 3rd year he had 75 catcher for 859 yards...3 tds....not bad, not bad at all. Combined with his blocking...Good player. Last year he had 78 catches for 815 yards...4 tds. This year, he already has 5 td's.....So, he didn't come outta nowhere like I surmised....but he is having a career type year...or is projecting that way....but he wasn't Antonio Gates...He caught a bunch of passes....He's scoring MORE now....

This running back.....Oh, you're talking about Blount....Blunt....Man, I've liked him since he knocked that guy out in college....Funny to see he's a really nice...or appears that way....He's averaging 5.0 a carry....Matching his career high...on 84 carries for 419 yards. That's 59 yards a game. He only has 2 tds.....

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BlouLe00.htm

59 yards is hardly a stud rb....but whatever....he only has 1 td rushing THIS SEASON (hence the label, weak running team)....I doubt they'd be considered a power rushing team. In fact, their running game was better before Sproles was hurt.

Those 2 guys are hardly studs at their positions....good players....but hardly difference makers. I say the thing that makes that team GO is Wentz...hell, this IS the best season statistically Ertz has ever had (highest ypc average & most td's)...Maybe it's his time..

Again.....what we were talking about was Wentz lifting his team & teammates....you say he has some special weapons...not one guy on that team is going to a pro bowl...gonna be on a all pro team...He's lifted a good player, Ertz, to have an incredible year in scoring (5 td's at the halfway point is SOMETHING). How or why do I say Wentz lifts Ertz??? He's never been scoring like this...and he's had targets for over 5 years....especially the last 2. This year, he's finding the endzone....wonder why? He's playing with an MVP candidate....Everyone is saying so....watching a couple of games, I see it too.

I do see some talented players around him. The best being Nelson Agholor.....and that guy Mack Hollins....oh yeah, I liked him too in the draft...Sparq guy and all....Nelson avg. 15 yards a catch...good ratio on targets to catch too. Mack avg. 22 yards a catch.....his target to catch ratio is a perfect 1/1. Probably needs a few more targets. Alshon is jag....still don't see what everyone else sees....oh yeah, just to irk some in here reading this....HE STILL AINT BETTER THAN BRIAN QUICK!!!! Those guys have talent....but they aren't really used as much as Ertz (58 targets) or Alshon (54 targets)....those are his primaries...only Ertz has a stat that's good. 5 tds....Every other statistical category is pretty average.

If Goff was playing at an MVP level, I'd be the first to acknowledge it....THE FIRST. I also think...not sure, but think Goff's offense is better...so he SHOULD have better stats. I think our weapons are better, well besides Ertz, we're better at every position.no blue font

Perhaps when this game is played, these guys are still trending up....and we'll get to see this battle play out where it really matters. On the field.:yess:

 

[bluecoconuts]

He is good. Never said he wasn't looking better.
Wentz is looking great.
See where the discussion is now, coconut?

The discussion is about how you're saying Goff isn't a winner because of college, while saying that Wentz is a winner, even though Goff is winning just fine in the NFL at this point. It all boils down to the same thing it has always boiled down to, you're upset because you wanted Wentz and want to be right. I'm saying it was old in the preseason, and now that we're 5-2 it's getting really fuckin old. Just enjoy it dude, and if you're that upset make a trade in Madden or get yourself some Philly gear. Just enjoy the party man.

 

[jrry32]

Made into a QB....probably...he's a former free safety....He's probably played a bunch of positions b4 he went over to QB in high school. So, I'd guess he's only played QB for 7 years.

Goff has played QB since 7 years old...no other position.

Yet one guys is being compared to NFL MVP, you say holds the ball too long??? But has thrown 17 TD passes...4 picks. Looks like a guy to me that wants to throw the rock into tight windows...and score TD's.

Another guy completes 59% of his passes with an offensive guru.




He is good. Never said he wasn't looking better.
Wentz is looking great.
See where the discussion is now, coconut?


Hmmmm, never said "starters"....but I'll try.
Mychal Kendricks, Richard Rodgers, Chad Hansen, Keenan Allen, Brian Schwenke, Stephen Anderson....

Ok, a couple don't "start"...but MADE the NFL....hell, check UCLA or SC...not a bunch that start outta a 3 year period.....
My point was, he played with some talent...not Bama...maybe not Clemson, but talented athletes like any D-1 program.
Oh yeah, here's the list I used Ole School....so I did do an open book exam.
http://www.calbears.com/news/2017/9/7/football-32-former-players-rep-cal-on-opening-day-of-nfl.aspx

Again....you guys think I'm bashing a guy....I see the Wentz wagon has sailed...but I'm not gonna sit here and let some of you try and tear down players that can play...while ignoring real signs on our OWN players....

That's 0 for 6. Kendricks, Allen, and Schwenke never played with Goff. They left Cal before he got there. Rodgers played with Goff for only his freshman year and is no longer starting. Hansen played with Goff for one year where he was the #6 WR and isn't starting in the NFL. Anderson spent his career with Goff, but he's not starting.

Yes, let's check UCLA and USC. Off the top of my head, from that same time period, UCLA has Anthony Barr, Eric Kendricks, Paul Perkins, Myles Jack, and Xavier Su'a-Filo all starting in the NFL. USC has Marqise Lee, Leonard Williams, Buck Allen, Nelson Agholor, and Su'a Cravens (although, it's not clear if he's retiring or returning to play next year).

Meanwhile, Jared Goff has a big old goose egg.(because he played on a bad team) Hell, my Gators were mediocre as hell over that period of time, and I can guarantee they have at least a handful of NFL starters.

 

[jrry32]

Alshon is jag....still don't see what everyone else sees....oh yeah, just to irk some in here reading this....HE STILL AINT BETTER THAN BRIAN QUICK!!!!

Alshon Jeffery produced almost as much in 2013 alone as Brian Quick has in his entire career. But this opinion should make us all feel good that you prefer Wentz to Goff.

 

[Picked4td]

That's 0 for 6. Kendricks, Allen, and Schwenke never played with Goff. They left Cal before he got there. Rodgers played with Goff for only his freshman year and is no longer starting. Hansen played with Goff for one year where he was the #6 WR and isn't starting in the NFL. Anderson spent his career with Goff, but he's not starting.

Yes, let's check UCLA and USC. Off the top of my head, from that same time period, UCLA has Anthony Barr, Eric Kendricks, Paul Perkins, Myles Jack, and Xavier Su'a-Filo all starting in the NFL. USC has Marqise Lee, Leonard Williams, Buck Allen, Nelson Agholor, and Su'a Cravens (although, it's not clear if he's retiring or returning to play next year).

Meanwhile, Jared Goff has a big old goose egg.(because he played on a bad team) Hell, my Gators were mediocre as hell over that period of time, and I can guarantee they have at least a handful of NFL starters.

missing adore and juju?

 

[jrry32]

missing adore and juju?

I only listed players drafted between 2014 and 2016.

 

[Micah]

The discussion is about how you're saying Goff isn't a winner because of college, while saying that Wentz is a winner, even though Goff is winning just fine in the NFL at this point. It all boils down to the same thing it has always boiled down to, you're upset because you wanted Wentz and want to be right. I'm saying it was old in the preseason, and now that we're 5-2 it's getting really freakin old. Just enjoy it dude, and if you're that upset make a trade in Madden or get yourself some Philly gear. Just enjoy the party man.

 

[LACHAMP46]

Alshon Jeffery produced almost as much in 2013 alone as Brian Quick has in his entire career.

Production is in the control of the coach and QB. It's sorta like saying Woods and Kupp are better than Watkins....

 

[jacktheripper85]

Sometimes they do....but over time, they tell a tale....

Curious what the best measurable stat says? What's the win/loss totals?


Follow along closer....Brady is amazing...In fact...he's done things that not many QB's can do...consistently WIN. Big games...playoff games...and of course Super Bowls. He does win from the pocket...like Peyton...like Brees...like many of the great ones. Is it him...or Josh's system? Does it matter??? He wins...

No one else has done it quite like him. No one...Even Montana had some marvelous mobility...but was essentially a pocket QB, that relied on the quick passing game. Brady drops back...throws quick...but if necessary will slide around and find a target. Quick release is his game, and he's mastered it. Until I see another guy like him...have success like him...I doubt if this is the future of the pro game.

The narrative....ah man....someone once said, if you can't attack the facts....attack the person presenting the facts. It's a common bait and switch tactic used by....hmmmm, let see???

Since you’re so into stats and facts here’s a good one.

Goff: Games 8-14 of Goff’s career (seeing as last years offensive coaching staff was probably one of the worst in the history of football)

Record: 5-2

Wentz: Games 8-14 of his career

Record: 1-6

Based on how you interpret stats I’d say Goff will be playing head and shoulders above Wentz once he has the same amount of games under his belt with a real coaching staff.

 

[LACHAMP46]

Based on how you interpret stats I’d say Goff will be playing head and shoulders above Wentz once he has the same amount of games under his belt with a real coaching staff.

Stats are just tools....they can be used to manipulate any conversation.

Certain stats say something...some say nothing.

Again, we play head to head on Dec. 10th

I'll be pulling for the Rams....but I'm sure Wentz will show many of you why I like him as a player.

 

[OldSchool]

Stats are just tools....they can be used to manipulate any conversation.

Certain stats say something...some say nothing.

Again, we play head to head on Dec. 10th

I'll be pulling for the Rams....but I'm sure Wentz will show many of you why I like him as a player.

I don't think many around here won't say Wentz is a good player. The rest of us say Goff is a good player and root for him over the Eagles QB.